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If flair players are being stifled how are they racking up such high scores? There are modern day backs who would be considered flair players in the good old days.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 15/06/2016 10:54:31    1867077

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Good to see that some posters even from more successful
counties like Dublin and Kerry can see how the quality of
games on the whole has diminished. I was chatting to a
few Monaghan fans about this at Clones and they agreed
that the game had been "spoiled" to a degree, that from
fans of a county who have won two of the last three Ulster
titles.

Sadly a few Northern posters go into their bunkers on this
as they are from the counties that primarily helped to
change GAA for the worse in the first instance and /or
are continuing to reap dividends from the way the game is
now played.

I don't see why Down are being brought into this. Like our
problems are wide ranging and even if the game went
back to the way it used to be we still probably would
find it hard to compete as our best players our opting
out.

If teams are confident in their own ability what have
they got to fear from rule changes. Rules were changed
to deal with cynical play why not negative play. Surely
it is positivity that should be rewarded???

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 15/06/2016 11:15:47    1867090

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The games we used to watch back in the day appeared glorious, but I challenge you to look up archive footage and audit all the games.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 15/06/2016 11:15:48    1867091

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "Good to see that some posters even from more successful
counties like Dublin and Kerry can see how the quality of
games on the whole has diminished. I was chatting to a
few Monaghan fans about this at Clones and they agreed
that the game had been "spoiled" to a degree, that from
fans of a county who have won two of the last three Ulster
titles.

Sadly a few Northern posters go into their bunkers on this
as they are from the counties that primarily helped to
change GAA for the worse in the first instance and /or
are continuing to reap dividends from the way the game is
now played.

I don't see why Down are being brought into this. Like our
problems are wide ranging and even if the game went
back to the way it used to be we still probably would
find it hard to compete as our best players our opting
out.

If teams are confident in their own ability what have
they got to fear from rule changes. Rules were changed
to deal with cynical play why not negative play. Surely
it is positivity that should be rewarded???"
I think people just don't agree that the games are worse today.

Fair enough if you think they are.

I honestly think they're better.

From an Antrim fan, we've never made a mark in any era.

Teams are wracking up big scores still.

I really think a lot of this they games are dull now comes from the media and rtes coverage. Their main panel are pretty traditional and have been very critical of changes in the game.

To be honest though half the time they're barely watching the games going on. Just delivering their rehearsed sound bite at half time.

Spillane in particular is an absolute gomie.

I'd also wouldn't trust the GAA to come up with sensible rule changes. Look at the black card and the mess it's been.

The rules are fine, leave them alone. Enjoy the football because there are teams playing good attacking football right now as the scoring points to. The teams that have been super defensive have gotten trounced by and large

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 15/06/2016 11:46:37    1867113

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The main point is that there are no great games
any more. There are good games, alright games
and poor games. In the past there were great
games. I suppose that is just the way the game
has evolved but I defy anyone who says it has
changed for the better.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 15/06/2016 11:51:36    1867115

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Replying To waynoI:  "I disagree with the OP.

And I'm also bored of seeing people say "What must the players feel playing defensive tactics not being able to express themselves" or sentiments along those lines...

Clearly, People are happy enough with it, If not, they would opt out no ?

Why would you do something you don't enjoy doing ?"
It's called "work" Wayno!

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 15/06/2016 11:59:48    1867122

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "The main point is that there are no great games
any more. There are good games, alright games
and poor games. In the past there were great
games. I suppose that is just the way the game
has evolved but I defy anyone who says it has
changed for the better."
Just straight up wrong.

No point debating it.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 15/06/2016 12:17:11    1867133

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I think people just don't agree that the games are worse today.

Fair enough if you think they are.

I honestly think they're better.

From an Antrim fan, we've never made a mark in any era.

Teams are wracking up big scores still.

I really think a lot of this they games are dull now comes from the media and rtes coverage. Their main panel are pretty traditional and have been very critical of changes in the game.

To be honest though half the time they're barely watching the games going on. Just delivering their rehearsed sound bite at half time.

Spillane in particular is an absolute gomie.

I'd also wouldn't trust the GAA to come up with sensible rule changes. Look at the black card and the mess it's been.

The rules are fine, leave them alone. Enjoy the football because there are teams playing good attacking football right now as the scoring points to. The teams that have been super defensive have gotten trounced by and large"
Whammo I respect your opinion.

Im just not a fan of the way teams pack their defences
and try to hit on the counter attack.The game seems
more to be about stopping the other team nowadays
which I find sad.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 15/06/2016 12:20:08    1867135

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I think people just don't agree that the games are worse today.

Fair enough if you think they are.

I honestly think they're better.

From an Antrim fan, we've never made a mark in any era.

Teams are wracking up big scores still.

I really think a lot of this they games are dull now comes from the media and rtes coverage. Their main panel are pretty traditional and have been very critical of changes in the game.

To be honest though half the time they're barely watching the games going on. Just delivering their rehearsed sound bite at half time.

Spillane in particular is an absolute gomie.

I'd also wouldn't trust the GAA to come up with sensible rule changes. Look at the black card and the mess it's been.

The rules are fine, leave them alone. Enjoy the football because there are teams playing good attacking football right now as the scoring points to. The teams that have been super defensive have gotten trounced by and large"
Whammo I respect your opinion.

Im just not a fan of the way teams pack their defences
and try to hit on the counter attack.The game seems
more to be about stopping the other team nowadays
which I find sad.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 15/06/2016 12:20:19    1867136

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Replying To redhanddefender:  "Yeah the games obviously awful now because Benny coulter who didn't like training in a gym said so as a 30 something!

Older people will state this, I still play and I think its as exciting as always. The money involved is starting to have an effect and a bigger gap is emerging but the big games are still action packed with great scores. I think GAA needs to address funding and re-organise the structure to jim mc Guinness style proposal and we will be laughing.

aul fellas will always have a moan!"
Now run along to yer Mammy, you young whipper snapper, and don't be getting involved in something you know nothing about. Back in the day we had real men playing football, not these "fancy dans" with their hair styles and sponsored cars and real dressing rooms. In our day we togged out under a bush and hoped the plastic bag we brought our boots in wasn't stolen by the time we got back. My poor mother's back was broken trying to wash the cow s***e out of me togs before the next match. As for this nonsense about corner backs going up attacking.... In my day a couple of thumps in the kidneys and a rake down the back of the ankle with the cogs put a stop to that. Back in the day the likes of Brogan, Mcmanus or O Connor wouldn't last five minutes. I'd like to see how fast they'd run after smoking forty woodbine. Nowadays you have schoolteachers, students and accountants playing football ffs. Get them to cut a bank of turf by hand and see how fast they'd run then!!!! Football today is a non contact sissies game more akin to netball. The only ones about who'd survive back then would be young Mcgee, McMahon from Dublin and our own Lee Keegan. And they'd only make the bench. Now I'm off for me cup of cocoa and me afternoon nap.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 15/06/2016 12:41:25    1867153

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I still enjoy the games, I still shout for Dublin as much as I ever did, I've seen both ways at this stage and have no problem with either, let's be honest, when your team is out there, you don't care how they win.
Most field sports have changed over the same period, soccer and rugby have too, both quite robotic sprinkled with the odd bit of flair.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 15/06/2016 12:47:31    1867158

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "Now run along to yer Mammy, you young whipper snapper, and don't be getting involved in something you know nothing about. Back in the day we had real men playing football, not these "fancy dans" with their hair styles and sponsored cars and real dressing rooms. In our day we togged out under a bush and hoped the plastic bag we brought our boots in wasn't stolen by the time we got back. My poor mother's back was broken trying to wash the cow s***e out of me togs before the next match. As for this nonsense about corner backs going up attacking.... In my day a couple of thumps in the kidneys and a rake down the back of the ankle with the cogs put a stop to that. Back in the day the likes of Brogan, Mcmanus or O Connor wouldn't last five minutes. I'd like to see how fast they'd run after smoking forty woodbine. Nowadays you have schoolteachers, students and accountants playing football ffs. Get them to cut a bank of turf by hand and see how fast they'd run then!!!! Football today is a non contact sissies game more akin to netball. The only ones about who'd survive back then would be young Mcgee, McMahon from Dublin and our own Lee Keegan. And they'd only make the bench. Now I'm off for me cup of cocoa and me afternoon nap."
Underrated post

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 427 - 15/06/2016 13:00:05    1867173

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Gaelic football is in a mess. In my own county attendances at club football are pitiful due to the rugby league style football being played. Young people are no longer interested in watching this rubbish, sadly the disease is spreading to the hurling as well.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 275 - 15/06/2016 13:07:25    1867183

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Llaw_Gyffes - good man yerself. That gave me a good chuckle.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 15/06/2016 13:12:18    1867188

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Replying To greatpoint:  "Underrated post"
Id say just a little sarcastic , definitely ageist ,
There are many on here who are of an age were we lived in a different era thus its called first hand knowledge , we've seen the game develop good and bad , I will give two examples the ability to score from distance in the modern game under pressure is miles ahead of any era ,that particular skill being executed is out of the world , equally players from previous eras tended not to roll around the ground pretending to be injured , you can swing back and forth on this debate, no doubt in 20 years time these will be the good old days.

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 15/06/2016 13:58:37    1867211

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good old days = a myth designed for people who can't move with the times

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 15/06/2016 14:26:08    1867224

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "Gaelic football is in a mess. In my own county attendances at club football are pitiful due to the rugby league style football being played. Young people are no longer interested in watching this rubbish, sadly the disease is spreading to the hurling as well."
I have to say I agree with this a lot more.

Club football is getting pretty poor to watch. You've coaches looking to mimic what county teams are doing and it's awful stuff to look at.

My own club last year won a championship, they couldn't attack.

It's one thing at the elite level funnelling people back but at club level it's very demanding on players to then try to break forward at pace.

I think the lower down the levels you go the fewer managers there are who have the know how to come up with attacking game plans. Even if they do, the players may not be up to executing them.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 15/06/2016 15:13:10    1867251

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I find it hilarious on here when posters post their favourite top 15 this and that , and definitely there is a leaning to the past ,Then this thread comes up and it turns out the players and football played was shi7 , talk about wanting it both ways.

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 15/06/2016 17:51:48    1867330

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"the good old days"

That is just another way of saying "I'm getting old, can't accept it and these changes scare me because it was different when I grew up"

"I remember when a mars bar cost 20p"

Stop your crying, grow a set............and grow up

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 15/06/2016 18:32:51    1867346

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Replying To Damothedub:  "I find it hilarious on here when posters post their favourite top 15 this and that , and definitely there is a leaning to the past ,Then this thread comes up and it turns out the players and football played was shi7 , talk about wanting it both ways."
No it's all relative to the standard of the players era, same as any sport.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 15/06/2016 18:40:49    1867348

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