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The Sunday Game, particularly the night time show, has the same problem as MOTD had on BBC a while back. Both shows are institutions and unlike any other shows around.
The problem with a TV show when it becomes an institution is that sometimes it get stop making an effort, the ratings remain high so they believe they are doing a great job and giving people what they want. The thing that they often forget is that it isn't the show that attracts the ratings, it's the product that the show is showcasing that brings in the ratings.
MOTD got quite bad a number of years ago, around the time that it returned after ITV had the highlights. Pundits clearly getting lazy and making almost zero efforts, concentrating almost solely not the Top 4 at the time and cutting the highlights of the rest of the league (sound familiar?). I think the BBC belatedly have rectified the situation and the show is much better now.
The Sunday Game has drifted into that same territory in the last 10 years in my opinion. I rarely watch the night time programme anymore as when I do I find it quite poor.
Hopefully improvements will come but it may take awhile as the ratings will still stay good no matter how bad the actual show is.
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Replying To seadog54: "There was little or no interest shown by anyone in this game before the shock, 2700 turned up to watch it." Fair comment ,
its the type of game people would tune into see how its going and when the favourite begins to pull away people tune out, however the way that game went there would have been a decent audience a full time.
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 14/06/2016 11:00:56
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Replying To MesAmis: "The Sunday Game, particularly the night time show, has the same problem as MOTD had on BBC a while back. Both shows are institutions and unlike any other shows around.
The problem with a TV show when it becomes an institution is that sometimes it get stop making an effort, the ratings remain high so they believe they are doing a great job and giving people what they want. The thing that they often forget is that it isn't the show that attracts the ratings, it's the product that the show is showcasing that brings in the ratings.
MOTD got quite bad a number of years ago, around the time that it returned after ITV had the highlights. Pundits clearly getting lazy and making almost zero efforts, concentrating almost solely not the Top 4 at the time and cutting the highlights of the rest of the league (sound familiar?). I think the BBC belatedly have rectified the situation and the show is much better now.
The Sunday Game has drifted into that same territory in the last 10 years in my opinion. I rarely watch the night time programme anymore as when I do I find it quite poor.
Hopefully improvements will come but it may take awhile as the ratings will still stay good no matter how bad the actual show is." Very good points. You look at match of the day the decide there running order on the quality of the game not if manutd or Liverpool are playing.
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What pee's me off a lot about the Sunday game is that they have a live match or two on over the weekend and then use most of the highlights time on the programme to review the games they've already carried live!
Games that have already been live, cut highlights back to 5mins and extend the highlights of other games not on TV already and put them to the start of the programme.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 14/06/2016 12:08:19
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Replying To TheHermit: "What pee's me off a lot about the Sunday game is that they have a live match or two on over the weekend and then use most of the highlights time on the programme to review the games they've already carried live!
Games that have already been live, cut highlights back to 5mins and extend the highlights of other games not on TV already and put them to the start of the programme." The sad truth is that RTE are a commercial body ( in know in theory they're not, but in practice they are). They will generally look at each match in terms of revenue generation which is why you often (though not always tbf) see the big teams or media darlings over more even games from smaller sides. They will carry that same philosophy to The Sunday game evening show which usually means more of the same.
muffinbutton (Clare) - Posts: 20 - 14/06/2016 13:00:39
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RTE small in comparison to SKY or BBC, simply do not have resources to cover games to extent we all would like to see so they go with matches public generally want, don't think there would have been many happy to see Tipp v Cork as main game last Sunday. Crowd was expected to be in region of 3 to 4 thousand but fell short on the day, so little interest from supporters of counties involved, why would RTE give extensive coverage?
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 14/06/2016 13:51:54
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RTE pay lip service to the GAA in general. We all know that head of sport in RTE is a rugby man.
TG4 provide an excellent service with undoutedly more limited resources than RTE have.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts:4578 - 13/06/2016 11:55:24 This idea that RTE is biased in favour of rugby is tinfoil hat stuff. Rugby gets a lot of coverage as its a professional sport so players/teams are available for more media work than amateur GAA.
What exactly should RTE be doing that they already don't.
I thought they should have covered the Meath/Louth game as well potential shock, intensive rivalry etc,
I think in this day and age RTE should have at least have every game streamed live so fans can take thier pic and watch it live.
I realise they have a GAA go thing for fans that are abroad. (Ironically the cats v dubs game would not have been covered because it was on sky!)
RTE should definitely give more choice for the fans in Ireland there does not even have to be any commentary or analysis (most of that is guff anyway) just stream the game and give the supporters and neutrals a choice.
gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts:510 - 13/06/2016 12:56:31Do RTE have the money to stream all games live? You sure they have the finances to have the extra cameras required to show a game live and the extra staff instead of simply staff required to record the game and then send it back to be edited and then shown on the evening programme.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/06/2016 14:12:10
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again 0 issue with media availability when rte are actively looking for a controversial story ala the meath situation
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/06/2016 14:28:19
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Ormond your response to Lockjaw us rubbish. RTE is biased in favour of rugby . There is no doubt about that . The last three Directors of Sport in RTE have all had rugby backgrounds . Look at the coverage if women's rugby in comparison to every other women's team sport
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 14/06/2016 16:49:36
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Ormond your response to Lockjaw us rubbish. RTE is biased in favour of rugby. There is no doubt about that. The last three Directors of Sport in RTE have all had rugby backgrounds. Look at the coverage if women's rugby in comparison to every other women's team sport
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts:4309 - 14/06/2016 16:49:36Care to explain how RTE is biased..... The director of sport doesn't have so much power that they determine every single thing that goes on
Womens rugby has got coverage as its directly linked in to the mens 6 nations and often the games are shown on rte website,
TG4 have rights to womens gaa so RTE cant show it.
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "RTE pay lip service to the GAA in general. We all know that head of sport in RTE is a rugby man.
TG4 provide an excellent service with undoutedly more limited resources than RTE have.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts:4578 - 13/06/2016 11:55:24 This idea that RTE is biased in favour of rugby is tinfoil hat stuff. Rugby gets a lot of coverage as its a professional sport so players/teams are available for more media work than amateur GAA.
What exactly should RTE be doing that they already don't.
I thought they should have covered the Meath/Louth game as well potential shock, intensive rivalry etc,
I think in this day and age RTE should have at least have every game streamed live so fans can take thier pic and watch it live.
I realise they have a GAA go thing for fans that are abroad. (Ironically the cats v dubs game would not have been covered because it was on sky!)
RTE should definitely give more choice for the fans in Ireland there does not even have to be any commentary or analysis (most of that is guff anyway) just stream the game and give the supporters and neutrals a choice.
gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts:510 - 13/06/2016 12:56:31Do RTE have the money to stream all games live? You sure they have the finances to have the extra cameras required to show a game live and the extra staff instead of simply staff required to record the game and then send it back to be edited and then shown on the evening programme." As I said commentary would not be necessary. No analysis needed. Just a camera and stream the game as is. They have a camera there already to show highlights so it is not much of an imposition on RTE.
gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 14/06/2016 21:05:19
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When the British Loins played in Australia in June 2013, on a Saturday evening RTÉ news had a section where Tony O Donoghue or some other randomer stood out in what looked like Montrose's back garden discussing the rugby with some expert. This was in between 2 games against NSW Chozzwogglers or Perth Findledinks or something, not even against Australia (sorry, I mean the Qantas Wallabies). May I add that RTÉ Sport also had a fulltime correspondent in Australia.
At the same moment, eighty kilometres away, the previous year's Leinster hurling champions and AI finalists were getting the bejaysus frightened out of them by Laois. But we'll never know about it, because our national broadcaster did not see fit to send a camera.
So that's two rugby correspondents, reporting on a non-Irish team on the other side of the planet, over a day after they played what amounts to a warm up game. But no camera at a provincial hurling semi-final an hour down the M8. With one of the country's leading counties in it.
No evidence of bias there, at all, at all.
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Ormond your response to Lockjaw us rubbish. RTE is biased in favour of rugby. There is no doubt about that. The last three Directors of Sport in RTE have all had rugby backgrounds. Look at the coverage if women's rugby in comparison to every other women's team sport
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts:4309 - 14/06/2016 16:49:36Care to explain how RTE is biased..... The director of sport doesn't have so much power that they determine every single thing that goes on
Womens rugby has got coverage as its directly linked in to the mens 6 nations and often the games are shown on rte website,
TG4 have rights to womens gaa so RTE cant show it." people have provided you with example after example..stat after stat of why they believe rte is biased..you continue to ignore each of these
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/06/2016 21:15:05
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RTE pay lip service to the GAA in general. We all know that head of sport in RTE is a rugby man.
TG4 provide an excellent service with undoutedly more limited resources than RTE have.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts:4579 - 13/06/2016 11:55:24 18
Greengrass . There is no doubt about that . The last three Directors of
No evidence of bias there, at all, at all.
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people have provided you with example after example..stat after stat of why they believe rte is biased..you continue to ignore each of these eople
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firstly im am a hurling football and rugby fanatic ex player now coaching under 8s in all three , support club & county in gaa and club province and ireland in rugby - my kids play all three and i love all three games -but i fail to see this anti gaa pro rugby bias when i consider
if rte is so anti gaa and pro biased then how come they show
on average 2 live championship games per week sometimes three, plus sunday game , blanket radio coverage, allianz league sunday, up for the match, the marty squad , the toughest trade , pairc life,
they show no rugby world cup, no pro 12 no champions cup, no summer tours, not even highlights in a few years they wont be showing 6 nations.
they show championship draws, qualifer draws on radio , all star award (rugby equivalents not shown)
best of luck to our intermediate and senior teams on sunday
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Replying To janesboro: "RTE pay lip service to the GAA in general. We all know that head of sport in RTE is a rugby man.
TG4 provide an excellent service with undoutedly more limited resources than RTE have.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts:4579 - 13/06/2016 11:55:24 18
Greengrass . There is no doubt about that . The last three Directors of
No evidence of bias there, at all, at all.
an tseabhac (Kerry) - Posts:440 - 14/06/2016 21:08:33 18
people have provided you with example after example..stat after stat of why they believe rte is biased..you continue to ignore each of these eople
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:75 - 14/06/2016 21:15:05 1866908
firstly im am a hurling football and rugby fanatic ex player now coaching under 8s in all three , support club & county in gaa and club province and ireland in rugby - my kids play all three and i love all three games -but i fail to see this anti gaa pro rugby bias when i consider
if rte is so anti gaa and pro biased then how come they show
on average 2 live championship games per week sometimes three, plus sunday game , blanket radio coverage, allianz league sunday, up for the match, the marty squad , the toughest trade , pairc life,
they show no rugby world cup, no pro 12 no champions cup, no summer tours, not even highlights in a few years they wont be showing 6 nations.
they show championship draws, qualifer draws on radio , all star award (rugby equivalents not shown)
best of luck to our intermediate and senior teams on sunday" your point ignores any context..look at the competitors they have for those sports as they are more international..gaa proven track record of ratings and interest hence coverage
Rte were simply outbid for the world cup and champions cup as you well know..do you honestly think rte can compete with sky and bt?..be realistic..the main reason for all of this has simply been the likes of sky and bt buying up all the rights off rte..this is not the case for gaa where rte has a great opportunity and has continued to be lazy and provide poor coverage
Rte still gives rugby a crazy amount of coverage even showing u20s and womens matches despite a low interest in them and regular updates via their news on matches they dont even have the rights to
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/06/2016 22:14:27
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Rte were simply outbid for the world cup and champions cup as you well know..do you honestly think rte can compete with sky and bt?.
No but they could compete with tv3 for world cup, tg4 for pro12 and champions cup highlights, s4c could manage highlight of wales v all blacks, did rte show highlights of ireland v springboks ...no. if rte were so pro rugby would they not outbid tv3 for 6 nations and world cup if not surely they have the money to outbid tg4 for champions cup highlights -if rte are so anti gaa then how come they always manage to outbid tv3 and tg4 for championship
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your point ignores any context..look at the competitors they have for those sports as they are more international..gaa proven track record of ratings and interest hence coverage
Rte were simply outbid for the world cup and champions cup as you well know..do you honestly think rte can compete with sky and bt?..be realistic..the main reason for all of this has simply been the likes of sky and bt buying up all the rights off rte..this is not the case for gaa where rte has a great opportunity and has continued to be lazy and provide poor coverage
Rte still gives rugby a crazy amount of coverage even showing u20s and womens matches despite a low interest in them and regular updates via their news on matches they dont even have the rights to
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:76 - 14/06/2016 22:14:27And yours misses a lot as well.
By what definition is there a low interest in the under 20 and womens international rugby matches?
Why is there criticism of RTE then but none of tg4 who also show under 20 rugby internationals. There clearly is an interest in under 20 rugby internationals.
You are assuming RTE are being lazy about coverage of the GAA but as many posts by janesboro show, RTE are far from lazy with up for the match, sunday game live and an evening highlights show. Mid week magazine show etc etc
Why is the coverage of rugby crazy? If its so crazy how much sport should RTE show and by what percentage would you see as fair for each sporting organisation? What proportion would the GAA get? What would Soccer/Rugby get? What would other sports get?
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Replying To janesboro: "Alano
Rte were simply outbid for the world cup and champions cup as you well know..do you honestly think rte can compete with sky and bt?.
No but they could compete with tv3 for world cup, tg4 for pro12 and champions cup highlights, s4c could manage highlight of wales v all blacks, did rte show highlights of ireland v springboks ...no. if rte were so pro rugby would they not outbid tv3 for 6 nations and world cup if not surely they have the money to outbid tg4 for champions cup highlights -if rte are so anti gaa then how come they always manage to outbid tv3 and tg4 for championship" tv3 clearly have a lot more money than in the past and appeared to spend most of their budget on that..they also have no gaa to cover which you have to consider...rte prefer holding on to things like the euros and u cant argue with it as its much bigger for ratings then something like the pro12...
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/06/2016 23:30:43
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Replying To janesboro: "Alano
Rte were simply outbid for the world cup and champions cup as you well know..do you honestly think rte can compete with sky and bt?.
No but they could compete with tv3 for world cup, tg4 for pro12 and champions cup highlights, s4c could manage highlight of wales v all blacks, did rte show highlights of ireland v springboks ...no. if rte were so pro rugby would they not outbid tv3 for 6 nations and world cup if not surely they have the money to outbid tg4 for champions cup highlights -if rte are so anti gaa then how come they always manage to outbid tv3 and tg4 for championship" id imagine the rights for the six nations and world cup is a lot more expensive than the gaa rights but of course u choose to ignore this
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/06/2016 23:32:02
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "your point ignores any context..look at the competitors they have for those sports as they are more international..gaa proven track record of ratings and interest hence coverage
Rte were simply outbid for the world cup and champions cup as you well know..do you honestly think rte can compete with sky and bt?..be realistic..the main reason for all of this has simply been the likes of sky and bt buying up all the rights off rte..this is not the case for gaa where rte has a great opportunity and has continued to be lazy and provide poor coverage
Rte still gives rugby a crazy amount of coverage even showing u20s and womens matches despite a low interest in them and regular updates via their news on matches they dont even have the rights to
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:76 - 14/06/2016 22:14:27And yours misses a lot as well.
By what definition is there a low interest in the under 20 and womens international rugby matches?
Why is there criticism of RTE then but none of tg4 who also show under 20 rugby internationals. There clearly is an interest in under 20 rugby internationals.
You are assuming RTE are being lazy about coverage of the GAA but as many posts by janesboro show, RTE are far from lazy with up for the match, sunday game live and an evening highlights show. Mid week magazine show etc etc
Why is the coverage of rugby crazy? If its so crazy how much sport should RTE show and by what percentage would you see as fair for each sporting organisation? What proportion would the GAA get? What would Soccer/Rugby get? What would other sports get?" eh have you seen the attendances at these games?..the number of people that play womens rugby compared to other womens sports? and the attendances these other women sports receive..along with viewing figures
Eh have u seen up for the match?...its terrible..the sunday game is very poor with 0 research or proper effort put into it..the league is not shown by rte despite big interest..look at how tipp were given no coverage...all rte show and analyse for any length of time on the highlights programme is what they have already shown..you speak as if gaa doesnt warrant the coverage?..its the biggest sport..im saying the coverage should be a lot better than it is and better treated..why is there such negativity from rte?..why would club brawls be shown on the late late show?.look at other examples people have listed..explain this?
The issue with rugby now is rte simply cant compete with the other broadcasters for rights in rugby anymore so im not sure it has a future on the channel as the two obvious things which deserve big coverage are the 6 nations and the world cup both of which rte will soon not have...not sure what else warrants coverage bar highlights of these as Sky and BT have all the club stuff and tests bought up
Gaa should be covered both league and championship and possibly club. If rte are going to show womens rugby then womens soccer and camogie and football should be shown as they are both more popular
For soccer rte should continue to show as much of the national side as they are able to..club game possibly once it draws viewing figures..soccer republic could be improved but overall rte are good soccer wise
Then you have sports like boxing and others which deserve coverage in their own little pockets just not on the level of the others barring the olympics
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