the "tackle" is the elephant in the room, not the black card.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 14/06/2016 13:18:52    1866600

BarryPD (Dublin) - Posts: 34 - 14/06/2016 13:42:33    1866620

No - poor officials is the elephant in the room.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 14/06/2016 13:46:48    1866625

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 14/06/2016 14:03:28    1866634

I think Ref's have enough on their plate without having to deal with a black card. The foul has to be intentional -but how can a ref be a mind reader. Obviously some blocking of a player can be intentional but how can anyone in the spur of the moment decide. If the black card was such a good idea then why was it not included in hurling. Most sending off's through black cards are incorrect. I would have though that the sin bin was the best solution as it stops a poor decision from being a bad one- a player trains for 9 months for a championship match and can then get send off wrongly after 10 minutes thru black

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 14/06/2016 14:08:22    1866640

It was the stupidest ever passed at congress .

GAA legends like Ciaran Whelan and Tomas O Se continually slate it . I fact players from past and present and from every province just cannot make sense of it .

In terms of making a cynical tackle it great .

Not only do I pull a guy down , I also waste 40-60 seconds ( if not more ) of the ref booking the player.

And you know the best part : that time doesn't get added on at the end ie : Wexford / Kildare .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 14/06/2016 14:11:34    1866646

There will always be poor calls by refs and I can understand refs not giving black in some cases if they're not certain the act was deliberate. Harder to understand a wrong black. Introducing a tmo as in rugby is the only way to get most of the calls right including penalty calls etc.

lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 14/06/2016 14:28:54    1866667

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 14/06/2016 15:14:20    1866696

In last year's rugby world cup something like 16 players were suspended following a review of incidents in games during the group stages. During the actual games, despite having TMO to review these incidents on the field, only 1 of these players was actually sent off! The last thing gaelic football needs is a TMO. The referee is a handy scapegoat in the GAA at present, often most harshly criticised by incompetent managers worried about missing out on some big expenses.
Soma (UK) - Posts:1480 - 14/06/2016 15:14:20Well TMO cant strictly intervene to contact referee and hasn't due to regulations. Gaelic could def do with A TMO,

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/06/2016 17:51:56    1866797

Well that is certainly untrue as anyone who sat through the endless TMO replays of potential foul play during the world cup could confirm, or indeed anyone who took a quick look at rugby's laws. And yet the rugby world cup still had one of the costliest refereeing errors in any sport last year to deny Scotland a semifinal place. TMO is only good if you want each game to last an extra 20 minutes while Coldplay are blasted through speakers to try and alleviate the boredom of waiting for officials to come to a decision, often the wrong one.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 14/06/2016 18:55:32    1866831

Tennis players allowed a limited number of 'challenges'. Maybe team captains allowed 2 'challenges' in a game. I know the problem is that not all games covered by tv/video

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 14/06/2016 19:49:48    1866857

Well that is certainly untrue as anyone who sat through the endless TMO replays of potential foul play during the world cup could confirm, or indeed anyone who took a quick look at rugby's laws. And yet the rugby world cup still had one of the costliest refereeing errors in any sport last year to deny Scotland a semifinal place. TMO is only good if you want each game to last an extra 20 minutes while Coldplay are blasted through speakers to try and alleviate the boredom of waiting for officials to come to a decision, often the wrong one.
Soma (UK) - Posts:1481 - 14/06/2016 18:55:32 Well by regs the TMO cant intervene but sometimes they have. There is no question a TMO benefits the game as doubt and being unsure of something can be sorted out..

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/06/2016 19:58:12    1866862

The laws of the game state (or certainly used to) that any official, including the TMO, can refer an incident for review by the TMO. Are you saying that when the best referees in rugby at the world cup were allowing the TMO to highlight foul play to them they were ignoring the rules!? In any case it's largely irrelevant as the majority of the 15 missed red cards were reviewed during the game, it was just the referee made the wrong decision. Many many commentators called for TMO intervention in rugby to be drastically reduced as it slows the game down too much, it certainly is not suited to a more free flowing sport like football.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 14/06/2016 21:25:36    1866916

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 14/06/2016 22:09:07    1866940

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 14/06/2016 22:10:15    1866942

Dell boy - I am in no way claiming to be an expert on anything. I have been involved with football long enough and current enough that I know most of the basic rules of the game. It is these I am talking about and if you have refs who can't get these right then I am not apologising for saying they shouldn't be refereeing. I imagine not everyone has what it takes to be a ref as you obviously require a multitude of skills from learning (rules etc) to personal skills required to control a game to name a couple. But there are refs who I would see regular enough as I see a lot of games who shouldn't have thought they have all the attributes needed as they don't. I am not talking the mistake or two that a ref makes from time to time as we are all human- I am talking the same mistakes or bad handling or whatever that you see every time you encounter that ref. As a manager the first thing I checked when the fixtures went up was who was ref. The players were then filled in on how the game would most likely be refereed - what you would get away with, if he was a voice activated ref ie whoever shouted the most for a foul would get, if they were going to turn on a team for being too verbal or complaining too much about decisions. Instead of being in a position of telling them play to the rules you tell them to play to the ref. And this is my gripe - a ref shouldn't influence a game but make sure it is played within the rules and if you think that there is no problem in that regard then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 15/06/2016 00:35:38    1866992

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 15/06/2016 02:59:19    1866997

There will always be human error and that is okay but this rule is just implemented so inconsistently .

Watch Tomas O Se discussing it . He basically makes the point that it suits teams to pull a player down late on - why wouldn't it ? Refs don't add on but it wastes time .

Feel for the refs more than anything - they've enough to be doing .

TMO is too slow also - rugby matches are too slow .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 15/06/2016 09:17:00    1867022

Offside your posts give the impression that there are loads of people desperate to become referees but their path is blocked by current referees of a poor standard. I think the reality is very different. Most of these referees have spent many many evenings driving the roads of their counties to referee u12 and u14 games before they are even considered for adult games at junior b level. You need to have a real love of the game to be a referee, so when they get decisions wrong nobody is more disappointed than themselves.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 15/06/2016 11:08:03    1867084

That's not the impression I was trying to give nor do I get that myself reading it back. In fact I think the opposite to be honest that there are so few people going forward to be refs that they are just accepting anybody and therein lies the issue as highlighted above - that is that not eveyone who wants to be a referee can be a referee, not everyone who wants to be a referee should be a referee. I don't criticise refs for the sake of it and acknowledge there are also very good referees out there, but just because they actually put themselves forward doesn't mean they should be above criticism if they aren't good. Yet unfortunately there are many out there who feel you aren't allowed to utter any bad words against them.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 15/06/2016 11:17:55    1867094