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janesboro
see the problem with these threads is the county name means people immediatly boil it down into a defensive mode.
I didnt mention dublin on this thread at all and I presumed it was ment to be talking about counties other than your own.
you talk about limerick being in division 2 and havin no big games to go to in the league
limerick have nobody to blame but themselves for that, they have had countless oppurtunitys since they were hard done by many years ago to get themselves promoted but the same attitude at management seems to exist as supporters that they couldnt care about the league.
it also proves the point about the bandwagon that exists as ye couldnt be interested in going to see the likes of laois because its not a big game,
that means your hardcore support is relativly the couple of thousand not the exaggerated numbers you are quoting in the height of summer.
To add to that limerick played clare in ennis this year in league for promotion that was a huge chance to attend and there was a small enough limerick crowd at the game i was there myself and its only 5 minutes down the road from limerick city really.
you mentioned dublin making a once a decade trip outside the captial, well we played laois in that game at odds of 1/100 to win on a bank holiday saturday night and had 99% of the attendance, amazing how you dont mention the other team playing in the match haha.
plus dublins hardcore support has grown massivley since the league games switched to croke park.
we used to be very similiar to limerick in the fact that we had small league crowds and the attitude was ah sure the league dont matter.
pat gilory took over targeted the league the county board decided to promote the league games and move to croker and it more than doubled the crowds we now get, plus we nine times out of ten out number the home team when we are playing away in the league.
My response was not to have a go at limerick it was to try and point out they have a bandwagon like every other county that grows when they are in big games and to see why people are not classing them in the same bracket as other counties who do this when they are in the height of championship.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 11/06/2016 09:39:14    1865084

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "janesboro
see the problem with these threads is the county name means people immediatly boil it down into a defensive mode.
I didnt mention dublin on this thread at all and I presumed it was ment to be talking about counties other than your own.
you talk about limerick being in division 2 and havin no big games to go to in the league
limerick have nobody to blame but themselves for that, they have had countless oppurtunitys since they were hard done by many years ago to get themselves promoted but the same attitude at management seems to exist as supporters that they couldnt care about the league.
it also proves the point about the bandwagon that exists as ye couldnt be interested in going to see the likes of laois because its not a big game,
that means your hardcore support is relativly the couple of thousand not the exaggerated numbers you are quoting in the height of summer.
To add to that limerick played clare in ennis this year in league for promotion that was a huge chance to attend and there was a small enough limerick crowd at the game i was there myself and its only 5 minutes down the road from limerick city really.
you mentioned dublin making a once a decade trip outside the captial, well we played laois in that game at odds of 1/100 to win on a bank holiday saturday night and had 99% of the attendance, amazing how you dont mention the other team playing in the match haha.
plus dublins hardcore support has grown massivley since the league games switched to croke park.
we used to be very similiar to limerick in the fact that we had small league crowds and the attitude was ah sure the league dont matter.
pat gilory took over targeted the league the county board decided to promote the league games and move to croker and it more than doubled the crowds we now get, plus we nine times out of ten out number the home team when we are playing away in the league.
My response was not to have a go at limerick it was to try and point out they have a bandwagon like every other county that grows when they are in big games and to see why people are not classing them in the same bracket as other counties who do this when they are in the height of championship."
While of course the mojority of Limerick championship supporters aren't hardcore (no county has more than a few thousand hardcore) it's harsh to call them bandwagoners either. There just sports fans and hurling fans. They may not be hardcore enough to travel to Belfast or wexford in February but that doesn't make them bandwagoners necessarily. Limerick is a sports mad place and people like to get out and enjoy the big days whether it's rugby hurling soccer etc but I agree alot of other counties are like that. But from what I've heard from other non limerick people, they admire the colour, singing, atmosphere and arazmataz the limerick crowd brings to championship!

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 11/06/2016 13:29:44    1865117

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Best support are those that attend games and do their bit even if the team is going bad.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 11/06/2016 13:47:08    1865122

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I'd say in terms of numbers Derry are the worst supported in Ulster. Even when they have a decent team their support is atrocious. I remember being at Clones in 2011 for their Ulster semi-final vs Armagh, which they won. The Derry support was embarrassing that day. I would estminate there were about 500 Derry fans at it. Yet, thousands more turned up for the Ulster final.

Armagh in comparision have a large band of loyal supporters who travel up and down the country, even when the team is not going so well.

I've always admired Fermanagh supporters, they turn up most years expecting to get beat but are always passionate in the stands encouraging their team through thick and thin.

MourneArmy (Down) - Posts: 1787 - 11/06/2016 14:14:19    1865134

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Kildare, roscommon,Mayo and most ulster teams have very loyal support.
Id put my own county among the bottom end of the list tbh.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 11/06/2016 14:51:09    1865137

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In my experience Laois worst supported team. Played them in Div 2 in 2015 in Portlaoise and Laois team ran out to total silence , not a single clap. We had our usual horde of road warriors and completely outnumbered the home support. Laois won well that day and remember feeling really sorry for their players.

Recent bleating about having to play in Nowlan Park rang hollow for me and no excuse for not turning up to support team.

facethepuckout (Roscommon) - Posts: 214 - 11/06/2016 17:14:55    1865171

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I wonder did Wildpundit see all the KK supporters last night

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 534 - 12/06/2016 15:17:20    1865492

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Replying To WildPundit:  "Kilkenny always have huge support you only see it really in September though!!"
Up and down to Croke Park three times a year, for most of the last sixteen years. costs a few bob. Not that Tipp would know about it, a trip to Croke Park being a rare and special occasion.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2477 - 12/06/2016 15:37:37    1865495

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I hate to say it but Mayo have the best supporters, supporters stick with their team through the bad times. I hate that they now outnumber galway at home games. they haven't delivered an AI in decades yet their support numbers haven't dwindled and they travel the length and breadth of the country. I know now they are AI contenders but I've never been to a Mayo game where there was a poor turnout

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 12/06/2016 16:29:09    1865512

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Armagh aren't great but even with ireland live on Tv, the match on Tv i would say we will bring a good/big crowd to portlaois next Saturday.... we will out number the home support like we have done v Galway / Roscommon etc in the championship etc, always travel in good numbers

Any county will have big numbers when they are doing well.... it the average team with the big supporters is impressive.....
The Kerry point about poor road/rail links is very valid, but it makes the cork support look very poor though in both codes.....
It's the county who supports their minor/ U-21 teams whic is great

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 12/06/2016 17:25:23    1865541

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Armagh aren't great but even with ireland live on Tv, the match on Tv i would say we will bring a good/big crowd to portlaois next Saturday.... we will out number the home support like we have done v Galway / Roscommon etc in the championship etc, always travel in good numbers

Any county will have big numbers when they are doing well.... it the average team with the big supporters is impressive.....
The Kerry point about poor road/rail links is very valid, but it makes the cork support look very poor though in both codes.....
It's the county who supports their minor/ U-21 teams whic is great

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 12/06/2016 17:25:45    1865543

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Only 3000 in Thurles to witness Tipperary's impressive win.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7859 - 12/06/2016 19:19:02    1865633

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cuchulainn35 (Armagh) -while i will bow to your greater knowledge or armagh support only three times do i remember limerick playing armagh -2003 qualifer (we packed out hyde park yourselves that day) 2004 league in limerick - good armagh support , but it really hit me what good support armagh had last year when ye played us on a wet february day in div 3 last year - this is what i posted on armagh forum following day

Armagh - Armagh fans a credit to their county
was at game yesterday - i could nto get over the very sizeable armagh support there yesterday which was amazing considering the distance and that a trip to kilmallock to play limerick in div 3 is not the most glamourous fixture - the armagh supporters was noisy, good humoured, good natured and got behind their team -they were a credit to the county - hope ye enjoyed your trip to limerick
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:351 - 02/03/2015 11:11:20

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 13/06/2016 10:44:00    1865992

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Replying To galwayfball:  "I hate to say it but Mayo have the best supporters, supporters stick with their team through the bad times. I hate that they now outnumber galway at home games. they haven't delivered an AI in decades yet their support numbers haven't dwindled and they travel the length and breadth of the country. I know now they are AI contenders but I've never been to a Mayo game where there was a poor turnout"
I would have to disagree with you about mayo it is not to hard to support your team when the are getting to the latter stage of all Ireland's. I have seen poor Mayo support at Connacht finals where the have been underdogs or heavy favourites.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 13/06/2016 17:07:40    1866299

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Roscommon , mayo are quite good travel in numbers .really dissapointed in my own county numbers have declined but I know few from my home town are semi final and final supporters which is wrong .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 13/06/2016 18:15:26    1866315

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Best in hurling Limerick, Tipp,Waterford, Cork & Clare.
In football, Dublin, Mayo, Donegal.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 15/06/2016 12:01:36    1867123

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A lot of it is relative. If Limerick were in the top hurling division they would get twice as many at league games. The point here is every county has a core die in the wool support of varying degrees. Mayo have a sizeable hardcore but while they are now getting 2 to 3k travelling to away league games (as impressive as this is) they certainly were not getting that pre the Horan era. The bandwagonerss come along with success. I remember being at the Mayo Meath q/f in 2009 that was a double header with the Kilkenny Waterford hurling semi and the level of Mayo support that day compared to their q/f support in 2012 onwards was chalk and cheese. Same as in every successful county.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts:888 - 11/06/2016 09:38:49 1865


Mayo like any other county show a sizeable difference between their league and championship support, but I'm not sure it's fair to use a 2009 game as your frame of reference. You have to remember that 2009 was a dreadful year for the country economically and a lot of people didn't have the money to shell out for themselves and possibly their families to go to Croker. Indeed, championship attendances were down across the board that year.

I remember coming back from a year abroad to my home town in 2009 and being aghast at how its population had visibly shrunk in 12 months. The West of Ireland generally hasn't benefited from the recent economic upswing as other regions and this has to be taken into account also.

http://www.mayonews.ie/news/27915-zero-jobs-growth-in-western-region

It's common enough for Mayo to get around 10k or more for home league fixtures, which is fair going. I remember this occurring under John Maughan and Mickey Moran, so it's not a recent phenomenon.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 15/06/2016 13:42:02    1867203

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Replying To ROS1:  "I would have to disagree with you about mayo it is not to hard to support your team when the are getting to the latter stage of all Ireland's. I have seen poor Mayo support at Connacht finals where the have been underdogs or heavy favourites."
Mayo were getting decent support when they were in Division Three and also when they hadn't won a provincial championship for over a decade. Roscommon posters generally just don't want to give us credit for anything, as far as I can see.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 15/06/2016 13:45:23    1867204

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Mayo were getting decent support when they were in Division Three and also when they hadn't won a provincial championship for over a decade. Roscommon posters generally just don't want to give us credit for anything, as far as I can see."
Gleebo just pointing out some facts. Nothing against Mayo, for example Mayo has been vastly outnumbered by smaller counties in provincal finals in recent yeats. Every county in the west especially has suffered from losing people to other countries.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 16/06/2016 09:56:41    1867535

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posted this on another thread - will put it here

whats so bad about a bandwagon - tipp played waterfor in league in froun of around 8000, if they play in munster final it will be around 45000. Would people prefer they played in from the the same 8000 or in front of the 45000, id prefer the 45000 bandwagon myself -the players deserve it-

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 16/06/2016 10:20:48    1867555

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