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How would the Dublin government stop the Unionists causing trouble in a united Ireland if a border poll was successful ??? I would say it would be a major headache for them. REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 16/06/2016 17:49:31 1867808 Link
I'd be surprised if there isn't a United Ireland within next 20 years or so. A lot of people don't see it coming. But their logic is based upon factors staying the same which are infact changing... Protestant Majority...Changing English happy to subsidise Northern Ireland...Changing Scotland in the UK... Could change Many Catholics in NI don't want a United Ireland... but that would change if you ask in a secret ballot 15 years from now with NI majority Catholic and England no longer wanting to fund a part of the world with no allegiance to the Queen/King. Republic doesn't want NI...again a different proposition if the Troubles are over and it's majority in favour. Also Brexit if it happens makes UK break up much more likely. tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 16/06/2016 18:13:23 1867818 Link
Replying To tyroneed: "I'd be surprised if there isn't a United Ireland within next 20 years or so. A lot of people don't see it coming. But their logic is based upon factors staying the same which are infact changing... Protestant Majority...Changing English happy to subsidise Northern Ireland...Changing Scotland in the UK... Could change Many Catholics in NI don't want a United Ireland... but that would change if you ask in a secret ballot 15 years from now with NI majority Catholic and England no longer wanting to fund a part of the world with no allegiance to the Queen/King. Republic doesn't want NI...again a different proposition if the Troubles are over and it's majority in favour. Also Brexit if it happens makes UK break up much more likely." I like your logic man but it's one hell of a gamble MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 16/06/2016 19:30:10 1867849 Link
If we could get an United Ireland and get the Unionist involved in a GOVERMENT then I'd say the two old parties in the 26( Fine Gael and Finna Fail) would not hold power on their own again. Which could be a good thing. Why are they not allowing us a vote in the elections ( us Irish born living abroad) ?? Because they know fine us emigrants would vote for change. I was home at Easter, saw Tim Pat Coogan on TV and he hit the nail on the head----- Ireland is not a poor country but it has been poorly lead Would any of you agree with that statement. I hope their is a United Ireland as all my life I wanted to see two things happening ---- Donegal winning Sam ( that's in the bag) and a United Ireland. From an early age I always sympathise with the Six County Catholic/ Republician/ Nathionalist people and I always thought they were well and truly abandoned by the Dublin GOVERMENT It would be a different country if we were all one SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 16/06/2016 20:39:11 1867878 Link
My deceased grandfather in Co Tyrone always said a deal was done between the British and Irish for the handover of Northern Ireland, and that they would play out a gradual political game over 30 or 40 years or so to avoid the Loyalists starting a civil war, and allow the hard cases to die off. He made that claim once the Camel's Hump Army Barracks was removed from Strabane, which was around 1992 or 1993 I believe, definitely before the Good Friday agreement in 1998 or the first ceasefire in 1994. Since then we have a ceasefire, devolved power sharing, decommissioning and now cross border co-operation with hospitals and other things. I think that by the time the questions is actually asked, both sides will realise they are already merged in so many ways that little or no transition is needed. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 16/06/2016 21:04:14 1867902 Link
Replying To SamOnErrigal: "If we could get an United Ireland and get the Unionist involved in a GOVERMENT then I'd say the two old parties in the 26( Fine Gael and Finna Fail) would not hold power on their own again. Which could be a good thing. Why are they not allowing us a vote in the elections ( us Irish born living abroad) ?? Because they know fine us emigrants would vote for change. I was home at Easter, saw Tim Pat Coogan on TV and he hit the nail on the head----- Ireland is not a poor country but it has been poorly lead Would any of you agree with that statement. I hope their is a United Ireland as all my life I wanted to see two things happening ---- Donegal winning Sam ( that's in the bag) and a United Ireland. From an early age I always sympathise with the Six County Catholic/ Republician/ Nathionalist people and I always thought they were well and truly abandoned by the Dublin GOVERMENT It would be a different country if we were all one" I would agree that the Dublin government could have taken much more interest in the North down the years. I don't think the signatories of the 1916 proclamation would be happy with the way with the way they showed such little concern for the Irish citizens of the six counties. The ideals of the signatories was a 32 county republic. and I think they would be unhappy with the way the Dublin government acquiesced to British rule in the North and worked in favour of elites over working class citizens. I watched a programme about Eamonn Ceannt on BBC Alba a couple of months ago. He showed tremendous bravery during the rising. When the order to surrender came from the GPO he was torn as surrender was alien to him and his unit had not been defeated. Cathal Brugha was part of the unit and continued to fight after being wounded singing "God saved Ireland" At a Galway commeration event for Ceannt a woman said to one of the narrators that they had died for nothing and he said he had to agree with her.He said the Irish people and government owed it to the 1916 volunteers to fulfill the ideals of the rebellion. Sadly they have showed no willingness to fulfill the ideals of the 1916 Rising and uniting the country. They havent even issued a green paper on a united Ireland.The 1916 rebels can be proud of their struggle for Irish freedom but later Dublin governments can not be. REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 16/06/2016 21:41:00 1867922 Link
In hindsight the mistake Southern Nationalists made was worrying more about an oath of allegiance that was easy enough to get rid of than partition that they felt the boundary commission would end. Partition has proved a much more enduring problem. A lot of people thought that a separate Northern state was unviable.They failed to grasp the strength of Unionist intransigence and how deep it was. REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 16/06/2016 21:51:50 1867934 Link
Unionists will never sit in the dail...or take our flag so what you are taking about it establishing a new flag, anthem, and possible capital. We won't see it in our lifetime. The cost alone would be massive. I suspect London would love to get rid of the headache that is Northern Ireland yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 16/06/2016 22:16:53 1867948 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "Unionists will never sit in the dail...or take our flag so what you are taking about it establishing a new flag, anthem, and possible capital. We won't see it in our lifetime. The cost alone would be massive. I suspect London would love to get rid of the headache that is Northern Ireland" You say cost to taxpayers YT but you're forgetting another million taxpayers would be contributing to the Irish economy if we were to achieve reunification. Why do people see the north as some sort of burden all the time? Look at the industry and manufacturing for a start and the infrastructure is way more developed, too. The north would not be a drain on a united Ireland, it would be an asset. MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 16/06/2016 22:31:05 1867956 Link
Replying To REDANDBLACK30: "In hindsight the mistake Southern Nationalists made was worrying more about an oath of allegiance that was easy enough to get rid of than partition that they felt the boundary commission would end. Partition has proved a much more enduring problem. A lot of people thought that a separate Northern state was unviable.They failed to grasp the strength of Unionist intransigence and how deep it was." After the disaster of the Civil war the the state that emerged in the 26 counties was to too weak to realistically achieved much about the North. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 16/06/2016 22:40:04 1867961 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "Unionists will never sit in the dail...or take our flag so what you are taking about it establishing a new flag, anthem, and possible capital. We won't see it in our lifetime. The cost alone would be massive. I suspect London would love to get rid of the headache that is Northern Ireland" Yew Tree they will never be satisfied sure the orange has represents them on the tricolour and they burn it on bonfires. Britain makes it seems they want rid of the occupied six counties but they really want to keep hold of an interest in Irish affairs. They have given "Castle Catholics" well paid jobs in the public sector to preserve the status quo. Britain always wants to keep a nose in Irish affairs. REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 16/06/2016 22:42:11 1867962 Link
Replying To REDANDBLACK30: "Some girl on the Brexit debate last night referred to the North of Ireland and Arlene Foster the First Minister took to twitter to say there was no such place.Typical of the Unionists in this puppet state." Pretty sure she is President of SF in UCD, maybe Arlene cottoned on to this and just wanted to rile someone. OgraAnDun (Down) - Posts: 406 - 16/06/2016 22:48:53 1867965 Link
Replying To bdbuddah: "After the disaster of the Civil war the the state that emerged in the 26 counties was to too weak to realistically achieved much about the North." They could have used the boundary commission to transfer areas to the south that would have made the northern state unviable. You are right the civil war was a disaster. Collins' plans for a Northern campaign and arming Northern nationalists were shelved because of it. There were problems with achieving much in the North I agree but Northern Catholics were subjected to pogroms by loyalists which was terrible as the Southern government left them to that fate. REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 16/06/2016 22:50:52 1867966 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "Unionists will never sit in the dail...or take our flag so what you are taking about it establishing a new flag, anthem, and possible capital. We won't see it in our lifetime. The cost alone would be massive. I suspect London would love to get rid of the headache that is Northern Ireland" So who created the "headache that is Northern Ireland"? You talk about the place as if aliens just dropped it from a spaceship. Britain and the South just can't wash their hands of the North. It is the political, sectarian and rancid residue of centuries of colony, invasion, plantation and death. The Northern statelet is the boiled down, dirty concentrate of the poisonous history of these islands. Britain and the South just can't hold their noses, look the other way and arrogantly dismiss it because YOU as a collective created it. It is up to YOU collectively, and us, to sort it. Eventual reunification is the only logical conclusion and demographics will eventually ensure that, no matter what Unionists in the North and partitionists in the South say. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9703 - 16/06/2016 22:54:30 1867967 Link
Replying To OgraAnDun: "Pretty sure she is President of SF in UCD, maybe Arlene cottoned on to this and just wanted to rile someone." Yeah she said she was from UCD and voiced a very reasonable concern about how she would be inconvenienced by the impact of a manned border checkpoint. Didnt know she was in Sinn Fein but your right it was just DUP point scoring. REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 16/06/2016 23:06:08 1867970 Link

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