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Your county win the All Ireland or Ireland win the Euros... which?

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Whammo, to be fair I think your views on club over country in GAA are probably mirrored by many across Antrim. Why? I couldn't even begin to guess, I've only ever spent a few long weekends in Belfast which doesn't really qualify me for an opinion.

For the record, Waynol is perfectly entitled an opinion. I don't agree with it, I think it's bigoted and ill thought, but I wouldn't want to live in a country where people are scared of voicing their views.

That said, I would agree with the general sentiment of recent respondents to this thread. I've never understood the whole "ah but you were never born in Ireland" view. I mean, if my mum had happened to drop me on a holiday back home, would that have endorsed my credentials? Never mind what I believe, just what soil you fall onto? Nah sorry, doesn't work for me.

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 09/06/2016 00:13:09    1863978

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I'd take an All-Ireland for Meath over the Euros, mainly because the Gaa means more to me than soccer. Having said that my favourite soccer team by far is the Republic team so I'd love to see them win the Euro's (although it's highly unlikely) and the buzz around participating in an international tournament is hard to match, it's fcukin' brilliant to be honest.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 09/06/2016 08:07:10    1863996

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I'd take a club title over the Euros.

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 09/06/2016 10:27:23    1864041

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Replying To alano12:  "its an opinion which deserves to be questioned as its quite laughable and extremely hypocritical seeing as he supports a foreign club soccer team and supports a county team which he did not grow up in or play football in.....i wonder what waynols opinion was on certain members of this years dublin u21 team being from outside the county and using the parentage rule to play for us?...not too far off what many of our soccer players do"
I don't agree with that parentage rule either FYI

This craic of your man from Kerry coming in and playing for Dublin - I don't like it.

Seanie Johnston going from Cavan to Kildare... Not for me either.

Sorry, But that's just how I feel.

I'm not asking you or anyone else to like it ? Or even respect my view. But its still my view so .....

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 09/06/2016 11:35:23    1864105

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Replying To waynoI:  "I don't agree with that parentage rule either FYI

This craic of your man from Kerry coming in and playing for Dublin - I don't like it.

Seanie Johnston going from Cavan to Kildare... Not for me either.

Sorry, But that's just how I feel.

I'm not asking you or anyone else to like it ? Or even respect my view. But its still my view so ....."
Come on wayno pal.If Ireland are going well i've little doubt you'll be getting a tad excited like the rest of us.You might even surprise yourself (:

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 09/06/2016 11:44:20    1864110

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Replying To MedwayIrish:  "Whammo, to be fair I think your views on club over country in GAA are probably mirrored by many across Antrim. Why? I couldn't even begin to guess, I've only ever spent a few long weekends in Belfast which doesn't really qualify me for an opinion.

For the record, Waynol is perfectly entitled an opinion. I don't agree with it, I think it's bigoted and ill thought, but I wouldn't want to live in a country where people are scared of voicing their views.

That said, I would agree with the general sentiment of recent respondents to this thread. I've never understood the whole "ah but you were never born in Ireland" view. I mean, if my mum had happened to drop me on a holiday back home, would that have endorsed my credentials? Never mind what I believe, just what soil you fall onto? Nah sorry, doesn't work for me."
Yeah. I guess it's quite a divided county.

Hurling and football are pretty distinct, apart from Dunloy the top hurling clubs don't play football at all.

Then you've got a clear divide between Belfast and the country clubs.

There'd be a bit of politics then. When I was growing up we'd have always felt that country players were a bit underrepresented in the panel.

In the hurling there's a fierce rivalry between the North Antrim clubs.

I'm not as confident on this but my feeling is that the rivalry is very strong among Belfast football clubs also.

There are a number of clubs all grouped together in close proximity. The likes of Sarsfields and Davitts are within their own housing estates and have a very strong identity with their clubs.

During the troubles their GAA club would've been very important for people.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4247 - 09/06/2016 12:00:57    1864129

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Without question Wexford winning a hurling AI at any grade for me. Being honest I find soccer extremely boring and almost never watch it, the exception being occasionally when the national team plays and I'm at a loose end.

Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 236 - 09/06/2016 12:06:07    1864135

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Replying To waynoI:  "I don't agree with that parentage rule either FYI

This craic of your man from Kerry coming in and playing for Dublin - I don't like it.

Seanie Johnston going from Cavan to Kildare... Not for me either.

Sorry, But that's just how I feel.

I'm not asking you or anyone else to like it ? Or even respect my view. But its still my view so ....."
I guessed you wouldn't agree with the parentage rule. What is it you don't agree with, there? You're seriously suggesting that being born on one patch of soil rather than another says more about your national identity than your bloodline?

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 09/06/2016 12:11:05    1864142

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Only reading this thread now. In the history of this forum I don't think anyone has ever been as wrong as Wayno is here. Bizarre.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12133 - 09/06/2016 12:21:37    1864157

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Replying To cuederocket:  "Come on wayno pal.If Ireland are going well i've little doubt you'll be getting a tad excited like the rest of us.You might even surprise yourself (:"
I wont. Promise man.

Ive no gra for the republic at all.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 09/06/2016 12:27:47    1864164

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FYI Wayno, Jonathan Walters played u-21 for Ireland. Richard Keogh played u19 and u21 for Ireland.

Just refrain from commenting on subjects you are clearly completely ignorant of.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12133 - 09/06/2016 12:28:44    1864165

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Ireland to win the Euro's for me over the Dubs winning the sam. Dublin would win the following year anyway! :)

But if you asked me about Ireland winning the Euros v Dublin hurlers winning the Liam McCarthy. It would have to be the Dublin hurlers!

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 09/06/2016 12:52:24    1864197

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County winning the all ireland by an absolute country mile.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 09/06/2016 13:10:09    1864212

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Replying To 32_4_1:  "Ireland to win the Euro's or World Cup any day of the week. Such a difference in magnitude. Anyone who follows soccer but says their county to win an All-Ireland is a liar. People tend to forget the hysteria and elation of Ireland doing well in a major tournament, but when it happens and push comes to shove and people become wrapped up in it again, it's Ireland to win a major everyday of the week over an All-Ireland. Come back and ask the question if we get out of the groups push deep into the tournament and you'll get very different replies."
I follow soccer and would pick Offaly all day long ahead of them.It's much more unique your county winning the all ireland it's much closer to your heart.Ireland consists of 5 million, Offaly is only 70 thousand.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 09/06/2016 13:14:41    1864216

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Replying To MedwayIrish:  "I guessed you wouldn't agree with the parentage rule. What is it you don't agree with, there? You're seriously suggesting that being born on one patch of soil rather than another says more about your national identity than your bloodline?"
People like Wayno's attitudes change fairly sharply when they move abroad and have children themselves. Doubt they'd like to see their kids getting underhand comments casting doubt on their Irishness by other Irish people. It says more about someone like Wayno than anything else, who can't put themselves in the shoes of someone else. Ignorance in the extreme. What do you think of all the Dubs moving to Meath Wayno, with their kids growing up here and in some cases opting to play for Dublin? Are they real Dubs in your eyes? Nationality has nothing to do with where you were born, if that was the case many great Irishmen could not be considered Irish. It's about ones ethos and beliefs, a concept probably too big for you to comprehend wayno, and one which runs alot deeper than the hollowness of where someone was born

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4122 - 09/06/2016 13:23:19    1864221

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What do you think of all the Dubs moving to Meath Wayno, with their kids growing up here and in some cases opting to play for Dublin? Are they real Dubs in your eyes?

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts:4070 - 09/06/2016


I'd imagine not, but then by an extension of that logic he mightn't even be a Dub himself...

Kildare are f****d anyways so. Never mind doing up St Conleth's Park, the county board need to get a maternity ward sorted out. Can't have people emigrating to Dublin, Offaly or Laois to have their kids.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 09/06/2016 14:07:58    1864244

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Replying To waynoI:  "I don't agree with that parentage rule either FYI

This craic of your man from Kerry coming in and playing for Dublin - I don't like it.

Seanie Johnston going from Cavan to Kildare... Not for me either.

Sorry, But that's just how I feel.

I'm not asking you or anyone else to like it ? Or even respect my view. But its still my view so ....."
I can see your point Wayno it can become silly. Then you can feel that you no longer relate to the team when there are too many imports..
There have been plenty of players in the past who had no real affinity to Ireland and just used it to further thier career.
Townsend, Lawrenson to name a few.
But there has been other players not born and bred in Ireland like Cascarino and Aldridge who who really built up an affinity with Ireland and it's people.

Of the current crop of soccer players McGeady had to suffer dogs abuse when switching to play for Ireland.
McClean on the other other had sees any abuse he receives as a badge of honour!

Rugby is already going like the soccer soon the Irish team will be full of New Zealanders and Australians.

I am curious Wayno would you agree on a parentage rule for the so called weaker counties in the GAA?

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 09/06/2016 14:31:18    1864267

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "By your own logic ,Goldrick, Cavan will never deserve to win an All Ireland because they are minnows in comparison to the likes of Dublin and Kerry. Also I suppose you think Leicester didn't deserve to win the Premiership this year and by rights it should have been won by one of the big teams like Man U, Man City, Chelsea, or Arsenal? The team that wins a competition fair and square deserves to win it even when under normal circumstances they would be considered no hopers. Greece deserved to win the European Championship some years ago because they were the best team in the competition and if Ireland win it this year they will deserve to win it too. They won't by the way!"
er.. no poolsturgeon . cavan have a much improved team this year and while I don't think we can win an all-ireland it is not anything like Ireland winning the Euros. Cavan have a young team of fit,skillful,hardworking players who have had lots of success at underage level, again this is in contrast to the current Ireland crop. It's not about minnows and underdogs (again you misunderstood), It's about ability, work ethic,good management, and things like that but most of all about ability, It would be a travesty if Ireland won the Euros this year. Now if they had won it in '88 or won the worl-cup in 1994 or 2002 then that would have been a different story. Do you get what I mean, They would still have been underdogs but they would have been deserving winners.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 09/06/2016 15:07:16    1864291

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Only reading this thread now. In the history of this forum I don't think anyone has ever been as wrong as Wayno is here. Bizarre."
Bizarre is the word.

It is mad just how wrong someone can get something so basic.

Anyone is entitled to not like a certain team or whatever but that's not what this is about.

His reasoning is all over the shop! He surely can't continue to support the Dubs or Liverpool if this is his feeling!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13725 - 09/06/2016 15:12:31    1864294

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Replying To if_in_doubt:  "What do you think of all the Dubs moving to Meath Wayno, with their kids growing up here and in some cases opting to play for Dublin? Are they real Dubs in your eyes?

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts:4070 - 09/06/2016


I'd imagine not, but then by an extension of that logic he mightn't even be a Dub himself...

Kildare are f****d anyways so. Never mind doing up St Conleth's Park, the county board need to get a maternity ward sorted out. Can't have people emigrating to Dublin, Offaly or Laois to have their kids."
I think in Wayneo's logic Kildare and Meath have ceased to exist.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13725 - 09/06/2016 15:14:01    1864295

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