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Replying To CroiGorm:  "Didn't stike him, was a fair shoulder. Jackeen has posted the link below."
I agree now that it wasn't a strike but is a shoulder to a man's head legal? Maybe the ref thought it was Head & Shoulders

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 08/06/2016 00:40:50    1863349

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Replying To crikey:  "I agree now that it wasn't a strike but is a shoulder to a man's head legal? Maybe the ref thought it was Head & Shoulders"
He went shoulder to shoulder, not his fault the player he's shouldering drops his head. No way he could avoid it and there was no malice there so to try and compare it to what O'Loughlin did on Saturday night is laughable to be honest.

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 08/06/2016 09:25:08    1863389

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What's worse is umpires
I'm sure all he commenting on the mdma o loughlin situation only saw what the replay of a camera showed you, but anybody in the terrace could see the non stop off the ball pushing o gara was getting constantly the laois but was turned away from the play pushing him back towards the goal posts not allowing him try make any run. The umpire was directly looking at it the entire time and no action was taken.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 08/06/2016 10:04:07    1863420

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In reply to the OP, selective condemnation goes hand in hand with selective praise.
Of course a Mayo hurler isnt going to get the same attention as a Dublin/Tyrone footballer under any circumstances
The same way if Sean Cavanagh did something really skillful in an all ireland final hed get way more attention than a Leitrim footballer who did the same thing in a qualifier match.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 11/06/2016 18:04:52    1865183

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Replying To joncarter:  "In reply to the OP, selective condemnation goes hand in hand with selective praise.
Of course a Mayo hurler isnt going to get the same attention as a Dublin/Tyrone footballer under any circumstances
The same way if Sean Cavanagh did something really skillful in an all ireland final hed get way more attention than a Leitrim footballer who did the same thing in a qualifier match."
joncarter. for Leitrim read Galway

liner (Mayo) - Posts: 756 - 11/06/2016 19:49:33    1865232

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Replying To liner:  "joncarter. for Leitrim read Galway"
Will you stop annoying them Galway lads. We have to play them next week and they are never to be underestimated. Keep the head down ffs!!!

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 11/06/2016 23:25:50    1865322

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Case in point....Mickey Burkes thumper on Kilkenny. Where is the outrage? Reillys "trailing" foot into Connollys head. Wheres the outrage? Who remembers Phillys "trailing" leg on Gooch. Remember the outrage? I do!!

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 28/06/2016 10:41:43    1873172

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There are 3 issues here.

1 The responsibility of players to play the game in the correct spirit
2 The responsibility of referees to ref consistently between themselves and consistently by themselves over 70 minutes
3 The responsibility of the press to be reasonable and balanced in their sightings and reporting.

If number 2 was done correctly, 1 would fall into place. 3 would then take care of itself too.

Until then, I would expect this thing to crop up week after week, appeal after appeal.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 28/06/2016 11:04:39    1873188

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Replying To Jackeen:  "Case in point....Mickey Burkes thumper on Kilkenny. Where is the outrage? Reillys "trailing" foot into Connollys head. Wheres the outrage? Who remembers Phillys "trailing" leg on Gooch. Remember the outrage? I do!!"
I agree with what you're saying but I can also understand why there hasn't been a big deal made of it. I think if Meath were a better team and perhaps had managed to win yesterday alot more would of been made of those 2 incidents. The higher profile team or importance of the match plays a part in these situations. Anything that happens in Dublin v Kerry/Dublin v Mayo or any game between any of the top 6 teams or a provincial final is going to come under alot more scrutiny and because Dublin are involved in alot of these games then obviously it gets more attention. Same can be said for any of the top Ulster teams (especially Tyrone in recent years)as the Ulster championship gets alot of attention and in some cases unfair critism. You could even look at the Donegal v Kerry league match this year as an example of a game that got a lot of media attention. If a similar sort of game happened in Division 3 or 4 you'd hear nothing about it and their would be no retrospective punishment because it wouldn't have been televised. It's just the way things are but as someone already mentioned it works 2 ways. The bigger teams also gets alot more attention to highlight their good play while the smaller teams are lucky if they get 2 mins highlights on the Sunday game which is another problem.

Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 28/06/2016 11:43:19    1873199

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Replying To Mobot:  "I agree with what you're saying but I can also understand why there hasn't been a big deal made of it. I think if Meath were a better team and perhaps had managed to win yesterday alot more would of been made of those 2 incidents. The higher profile team or importance of the match plays a part in these situations. Anything that happens in Dublin v Kerry/Dublin v Mayo or any game between any of the top 6 teams or a provincial final is going to come under alot more scrutiny and because Dublin are involved in alot of these games then obviously it gets more attention. Same can be said for any of the top Ulster teams (especially Tyrone in recent years)as the Ulster championship gets alot of attention and in some cases unfair critism. You could even look at the Donegal v Kerry league match this year as an example of a game that got a lot of media attention. If a similar sort of game happened in Division 3 or 4 you'd hear nothing about it and their would be no retrospective punishment because it wouldn't have been televised. It's just the way things are but as someone already mentioned it works 2 ways. The bigger teams also gets alot more attention to highlight their good play while the smaller teams are lucky if they get 2 mins highlights on the Sunday game which is another problem."
I suppose youre right but i am specifically talking about the uproar on various social fora or lack thereof in this case. We all know that if it was a member of the Dublin team that struck out they would be hounded by all quarters. Video would be slowed down to a gazillionth of a second for maximum impact a la James McCarthy. Hence the selective condemnation!

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 28/06/2016 16:48:11    1873443

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Mayo player intentionally strikes an Armagh player in the genitals with the butt of his hurl.. A cowardly pox of an act

Not a peep

MDMc after a bit of a tangle gets a full force left hook to the nose, in fact looks like he broke his nose

Not a peep

If a Tyrone or Dublin player did such

Well you can imagine the deliberate self serving agenda out in full force...

Yes indeed.. Very selective condemnation"
Just on that,

I remember Tom Kenny for Cork doing it a fair few years ago against KK and nothing said about it.

Basically the excuse used was that he wasn't that kinda player or something.

Nobody is looking for these lads to be hung out in the media, just due process to be followed and a ban issued to discourage this kind of behaviour.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 28/06/2016 16:54:51    1873447

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Replying To daytona11:  "Just on that,

I remember Tom Kenny for Cork doing it a fair few years ago against KK and nothing said about it.

Basically the excuse used was that he wasn't that kinda player or something.

Nobody is looking for these lads to be hung out in the media, just due process to be followed and a ban issued to discourage this kind of behaviour."
On that, nothing gets my goat up more than excusing an incident cos "he's not that kind of player". If the incident can't be judged on its own merits then what's the point of a disciplinary system? By all means a ban could / should be increased if the player has committed a similar offence(s) in the recent past but it should not be a reason to show excessive leniency if the player hadn't committed a similar incident previously.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 28/06/2016 17:27:31    1873463

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