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Meath offer the replay on condition it is the curtain raiser to the AI final in September instead of the minor match. At least Hawkeye will be working

showforit (Meath) - Posts: 156 - 06/06/2016 22:41:13    1862536

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "The question is..

What WILL happen tomorrow?.."
I think replay will be the outcome I hope not though very unfair on Meath after those getting trophy

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 06/06/2016 22:41:34    1862537

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Antrim and Meath should play out a preliminary round of the Leinster Championship next season, the winner taking the quarter-finals spot.

muffin (Antrim) - Posts: 128 - 06/06/2016 23:56:46    1862554

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  "Ugh, it just gets worse. According to the latest article on the main page (link), TG4 actually flagged that the score was incorrect, and got word to the side line. The Meath bench alerted the linesman to ascertain if the score was wrong. He radio'd the referee, who replied (according to the Meath selector) that the score board was right, and TG4 were wrong. If this is true, if the officials were alerted to the issue by the Meath bench with nearly 10 minutes left, it makes the whole thing even worse. But if the officials chose to ignore the issue, and reassured the Meath selectors that the scoreboard was indeed correct and the media was wrong, I don't see how a replay can be ordered."
If it's the case that the Meath side line drew the officials attention to the mistake only to be told the scoreboard was correct then it would be very hard to fault them for thinking they had won. It's a terrible pity that what seemed to be cracking game is now shrouded in controversy.
No doubt Croke park will claim they can't promote 2 teams to the Leinster round robin for next year, and it seems that there is no real appetite for a replay, especially not in Meath, where I'm sure the celebrations since Saturday evening have probably undone the last 6 months hard training in a few days. It would be very unfair to ask them to try prepare for a replay at this stage. It was also reported somewhere that several Antrim players are due to leave for the States this week, which would leave them in no real position to play either.
If it's a thing that Croke Park insist on a replay, and only one team going up to the McCarthy cup next year, them perhaps the fairest thing would be to defer that replay until next year, and play it at the end of the league, and prior to championship starting. At least that way both teams would be going into the play-off game at full fitness and intensity, instead of asking the counties to face into such a game after either a week of celebrating or losing players from their squads.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 07/06/2016 00:17:31    1862558

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I'm sorry but it's not Meath's call to offer a replay it's the powers that be and the game will be replayed no doubt about that you can go on about frees or whatever but the simple facts are the game ended in a draw with the ref admitting his mistake after. I'm hearing neither team wants a replay but again I'm sorry but you'll do what the powers that be tell you. This game will be replayed I guarantee it will.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 07/06/2016 08:22:05    1862574

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Replying To Dellboypolecat:  "I think replay will be the outcome I hope not though very unfair on Meath after those getting trophy"
To be fair the whole escapade is very unfair on both squads from Saturday - a good balls up all round.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 07/06/2016 08:26:59    1862576

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The whole thing is a farce,if hawkeye was 'working' Meath would have an extra score.Serious questions need to asked of that too..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 07/06/2016 09:14:59    1862591

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Replying To AHP:  "
Replying To Marlon_JD:  "Ugh, it just gets worse. According to the latest article on the main page (link), TG4 actually flagged that the score was incorrect, and got word to the side line. The Meath bench alerted the linesman to ascertain if the score was wrong. He radio'd the referee, who replied (according to the Meath selector) that the score board was right, and TG4 were wrong. If this is true, if the officials were alerted to the issue by the Meath bench with nearly 10 minutes left, it makes the whole thing even worse. But if the officials chose to ignore the issue, and reassured the Meath selectors that the scoreboard was indeed correct and the media was wrong, I don't see how a replay can be ordered."
If it's the case that the Meath side line drew the officials attention to the mistake only to be told the scoreboard was correct then it would be very hard to fault them for thinking they had won. It's a terrible pity that what seemed to be cracking game is now shrouded in controversy.
No doubt Croke park will claim they can't promote 2 teams to the Leinster round robin for next year, and it seems that there is no real appetite for a replay, especially not in Meath, where I'm sure the celebrations since Saturday evening have probably undone the last 6 months hard training in a few days. It would be very unfair to ask them to try prepare for a replay at this stage. It was also reported somewhere that several Antrim players are due to leave for the States this week, which would leave them in no real position to play either.
If it's a thing that Croke Park insist on a replay, and only one team going up to the McCarthy cup next year, them perhaps the fairest thing would be to defer that replay until next year, and play it at the end of the league, and prior to championship starting. At least that way both teams would be going into the play-off game at full fitness and intensity, instead of asking the counties to face into such a game after either a week of celebrating or losing players from their squads."
There are also quite a few lads off the Meath Panel who are heading stateside also and a good majority of them were still on the tear yesterday ha ha.

Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 631 - 07/06/2016 09:24:22    1862594

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There's no way the game should be re-played. Sean Heavey scored a clear point in the 2nd half that was waved wide. its the GAA' s fault the scoreboard fxxxxed up, not Meath's.

anystir (Meath) - Posts: 41 - 07/06/2016 09:26:38    1862595

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Replying To Irish_downunder:  "
Replying To AHP:  "[quote=Marlon_JD:  "Ugh, it just gets worse. According to the latest article on the main page (link), TG4 actually flagged that the score was incorrect, and got word to the side line. The Meath bench alerted the linesman to ascertain if the score was wrong. He radio'd the referee, who replied (according to the Meath selector) that the score board was right, and TG4 were wrong. If this is true, if the officials were alerted to the issue by the Meath bench with nearly 10 minutes left, it makes the whole thing even worse. But if the officials chose to ignore the issue, and reassured the Meath selectors that the scoreboard was indeed correct and the media was wrong, I don't see how a replay can be ordered."
If it's the case that the Meath side line drew the officials attention to the mistake only to be told the scoreboard was correct then it would be very hard to fault them for thinking they had won. It's a terrible pity that what seemed to be cracking game is now shrouded in controversy.
No doubt Croke park will claim they can't promote 2 teams to the Leinster round robin for next year, and it seems that there is no real appetite for a replay, especially not in Meath, where I'm sure the celebrations since Saturday evening have probably undone the last 6 months hard training in a few days. It would be very unfair to ask them to try prepare for a replay at this stage. It was also reported somewhere that several Antrim players are due to leave for the States this week, which would leave them in no real position to play either.
If it's a thing that Croke Park insist on a replay, and only one team going up to the McCarthy cup next year, them perhaps the fairest thing would be to defer that replay until next year, and play it at the end of the league, and prior to championship starting. At least that way both teams would be going into the play-off game at full fitness and intensity, instead of asking the counties to face into such a game after either a week of celebrating or losing players from their squads."
There are also quite a few lads off the Meath Panel who are heading stateside also and a good majority of them were still on the tear yesterday ha ha."]How did the ref and both the scoreboard operator in Croke Park both have the wrong score ??

FrankAnnyalla (Monaghan) - Posts: 339 - 07/06/2016 09:35:32    1862597

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Dell was it not very unfair on Antrim that Meath got to lift the trophy in a drawn game? Like it works both ways.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 07/06/2016 09:48:09    1862606

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The GAA president has had his say on it: link

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 07/06/2016 10:10:30    1862620

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If there was any openness, transparent politics, and fair play with in the gaa then this unnecessary problem would and could have been sorted on the steps of the Hogan stand so to speak before the cup was lifted, and not have to wait for the cccc to prepare a case either for or against.
After the 2010 embarrassment in the aftermath of the LSFC between Meath and Louth we were assured and promised that no county/counties would be put through such an ordeal again, yet here we are in a somewhat similar position once more.
There are people in croke park paid six figure sum's to make decisions.
Leave the logic of the issue and fair play to one side, just think what the outcome or reaction would be if that was to happen to, say, Dublin after an LSF final or all Ireland final or for that matter, say, Brian Cody's Kilkenny after an all Ireland senior hurling final, it just wouldn't happen.

PS, I have no idea how the cccc are going to call it, but I seriously think, if they are not going to grant a replay, then out of common courtesy and respect for both counties the least they could/should do is negate/delete the entire competition for the current year 2016, it has happened before.
Neither county appears to have the appetite for a replay, has it been devalued that much.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 07/06/2016 10:14:44    1862622

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ziggy32001 no harm but we keep hearing about this point Meath should have had thrown into the case. I could count about a dozen incorrect decisions; there were stages Antrim were being hauled down and getting nothing while well in front and Meath were then being awarded similar frees from scoring positions up the other end - I felt it at the time but at the same time there was enough of a gap that the referee was maybe leaning a bit towards the side that were trailing by a decent amount though my the end my overriding emotion was that I was galled at Antrim managing to throw away a comfortable victory. I was at a game on Sunday afternoon and the home team shot from the angle and from my perspective I could clearly see that it went wide yet a few home supporters further along were genuinely convinced that the ball had went over the bar - and that was a football match - depending where you are at in a ground can impact on your view of incidents.

But I suppose that brings me back to what I posted earlier - is it more of a mistake to count up the awarded scores wrong than it is to award/not award other things during a game and I suppose this is where todays decision will hinge - I for one do not know.

This other chat about had the game gone to extra time Meath would have won is complete nonsense of the highest order - who can say what way the game would have went in extra time - maybe Antrim would have bucked up their ideas and found another gear, maybe Meath would have continued with the momentum they had in the second half - again who is to say?

What we have is a situation where the two teams, coaching staff and supporters who travelled to Croke Park on Saturday were badly let down by the match officials and by that I am not talking the referee, linesman and umpires but the whole thing from top to bottom in terms of anyone who had a hand in the balls up that unfolded.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 07/06/2016 10:21:44    1862628

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Ziggy your constant whinging about the 'point that never was' is becoming tiresome.
As I said in my earlier post and naysayer has just pointed out, at one stage particularly in the first half I wasn't sure the referee was able to point in Antrim's direction so we can all whinge about decisions he made during the game. That wont change the result though, no matter how many should have and could haves we come up with the fact of the matter is the game finished a draw and was incorrectly awarded to Meath.
They will have to replay it and im sure all those players in Meath and indeed Antrim who are supposed to be flying to the states can manage to put it off for another week or so.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 07/06/2016 10:36:22    1862644

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So the GAA president now says that both teams cannot be promoted, sorry but that's a complete cop out, it they wanted to do it they could but once again the GAA top table is making a mockery of common sense. Secondly why does it taken 72 hours for those on the CCCC to meet, this was an incredibly important matter to deal with and a meeting within 24 hours should have been held, it's unacceptable to me that it takes this long. A replay? Meath checked the score with match officials with 8 minutes to go and were told the score was correct, they played the match accordingly as did Antrim who made no protest at the final whistle and their players believed they were beaten. I believe it would be wrong to put Meath into a replay after this length with celebrations etc haven taken place just as it would be wrong if the roles were reversed. The sensible option, and one which I believe would satisfy Antrim, is to promote both and to say that can't be done is making an embarrassing situation worse, this is not Meaths fault, it is not Antrims fault it's the GAA's problem and they must act fairly

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 07/06/2016 10:45:00    1862655

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Referee made a mistake which can be viewed as being unfair on Antrim but there was 10 minutes of playing time after this. This affected the remainder of the game as both Antrim and Meath played to the scoreboard. If a replay is offered to Antrim then it can be seen as unfair on Meath. At the end Meath were clearly playing to hold their lead at the end. Also had extra time being played Meath would have been favoured to win as they had all the momentum at that time after coming back in the game. People comparing to Clare-Offaly 98 but this a bit different in that after the mistake was made there was no time for Offaly to come back and the fact that it was a semi-final meant that the cup had not been presented. It is also a bit different to Meath-Louth 2010 as Louth had no time to recover also (I didn't celebrate Meath winning the Leinster title in 2010 as we didn't deserve it even if I can't say I was disappointed for Louth not getting a replay after hearing what happened to Sean Boylan in the stand).

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1359 - 07/06/2016 11:06:15    1862672

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Agree with an t-uachtarán . There has to be a replay and sooner the better . What is the problem with a replay ? Is it because Meath celebrated ? And what ?
All this talk about fellas going to the states . ..Would they not have been going anyway if correct score was done on saturday ?
Fix a date for the replay and if someone doesnt weigh in then award the cup and promotion to the other team .

Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 07/06/2016 11:16:07    1862678

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Agree with bumper and Naysayer (we are not the same people) re some of the decisions - in the first half when it looked like we were cruising I mentioned to the wife (though how much attention/interest she was showing is another thing) that I thought the ref had started to do exactly what Naysayer said i.e we weren't getting frees which Meath were getting and we were getting blown for fouls that Meath weren't getting punished for the same thing. So let's not start going on about one shot which was signalled wide, a point which some who were there say was a point and others say was side. Or lets not be silly enough to predict the outcome of extra time based on how the game ended up - as pointed out above, who is not to say Antrim came out and played like we did in the first 20 odd minutes. Or try to say that a guy didn't try to put over a free but purposely put it wide. Or that the psychology of thinking you were a point ahead determined how Meath approached the last few minutes - if we had of known we were a point ahead still before what was the equalising point would we have done things differently in those few minutes? Let's deal with the facts - when the scores awarded throughout the game were totted up the game was a draw. Neither team won, neither team are Champions.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 07/06/2016 11:31:56    1862694

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This is ridiculous, should have been sorted straight away sunday evening. Meath coming out saying a replay impossible etc etc. No, you won incorrectly therefore are not champions. A replay should be called for as soon as possible. Its not meaths fault and I feel for them but its the correct thing to do.

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 07/06/2016 11:35:14    1862696

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