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Best to let Meath keep the cup. In this case it's not their balls up.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 06/06/2016 18:39:54    1862390

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Replying To showforit:  "The players weren't looking at Twitter feeds they were playing a match. They ref told them they won, they celebrated there and then what they thought was a genuine victory."
Your PRO knew and he was on sideline but I hope Meath keep trophy

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 06/06/2016 18:44:12    1862392

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Replying To showforit:  "The players weren't looking at Twitter feeds they were playing a match. They ref told them they won, they celebrated there and then what they thought was a genuine victory."
And no need to get smart I never said players I stated your official on the line knew .lose the attitude

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 06/06/2016 18:45:44    1862394

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Replying To showforit:  "Meath lads accepted cup and celebrated in good faith. I was socialising with some of them later that evening when the news spread."
A very important issue is a stake here. At first the referee had Meath winning by one point. Now we find that he admits he made a mistake. So what influenced this admission? Did he consult others if so his report is flawed and cannot be accepted by the CCCC. That is the main reason as to why the TV monitors blank out at the slightest hint of controversy so as not to influence the referee.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1066 - 06/06/2016 19:02:11    1862405

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Maybe just this once common sense will prevail and Antrim won't get shafted here.

if they are not granted a replay then at a minimum they should be allowed play Liam McCarthy next year with Meath.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 06/06/2016 19:10:13    1862410

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My source tells me Antrim want the replay now this is a farce

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 06/06/2016 19:18:00    1862414

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Replying To Dellboypolecat:  "And no need to get smart I never said players I stated your official on the line knew .lose the attitude"
Not trying to be smart; just in my time playing I would have always asked the ref the score. The Meath management were screaming at James Toher to kill the ball at the end, not worried about going for point from that free. They were not in direct communication with PRO from what I could see.

showforit (Meath) - Posts: 156 - 06/06/2016 19:36:41    1862423

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Replying To showforit:  "Not trying to be smart; just in my time playing I would have always asked the ref the score. The Meath management were screaming at James Toher to kill the ball at the end, not worried about going for point from that free. They were not in direct communication with PRO from what I could see."
Ok fair enough but I do honestly hope yous get to keep trophy very hard to take it back off yous and would be a farce .Meath where the better team and where I was sitting yous had good point not given .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 06/06/2016 19:55:26    1862429

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Replying To MillerX:  "A very important issue is a stake here. At first the referee had Meath winning by one point. Now we find that he admits he made a mistake. So what influenced this admission? Did he consult others if so his report is flawed and cannot be accepted by the CCCC. That is the main reason as to why the TV monitors blank out at the slightest hint of controversy so as not to influence the referee."
He can be asked to clarify in changing and check scores in which he then did and admitted mistake .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 06/06/2016 19:56:48    1862430

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Yet another bad day for the GAA. Yet again Meath show their true colours.

derfil1 (Kildare) - Posts: 1612 - 06/06/2016 20:20:51    1862447

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The fact that Meath played out the last couple of minutes believing they were winning is a big deal in my opinion.The mentors screamed at Toher to put the last ball dead to kill the game off.Surely if they were aware of any issue they would have instructed him to take on the score.If you couple this with the Meath point that wasnt given Meath would have legitimate and fair reasons for not wanting a replay.But if a replay is sanctioned it should be in Trim or Navan with free admission

runnerin (Meath) - Posts: 202 - 06/06/2016 20:22:28    1862451

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Firstly, this not Meath's fault, the blame lies with the match officials here and the GAA hierarchy for not acting quicker by calling the result null and void ASAP. They should issue an apology and order a replay. Of course this would be common sense - go figure?

There is no honour or glory in this for Meath now and really they should push for the decent thing here and replay the game. If I were a Meath follower i would be mortified if this result was allowed to stand. I've met several staunch GAA Meath people over the years who don't recognise the Leinster football title awarded to Meath in 2010 against Louth. It embarrassed them, the farce result in this hurling match only doubles the shame. Meath don't need handouts because they're a proud county who like to win on merit. The GAA need to do the right thing and order a replay. End of.

JamesH (Mayo) - Posts: 465 - 06/06/2016 20:25:19    1862453

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JamesH

I've met several staunch GAA Meath people over the years who don't recognise the Leinster football title awarded to Meath in 2010 against Louth. It embarrassed them

It's certainly not a title remembered fondly in Meath but neither was the fallout afterwords with the finger of blame pointed squarely at us, that whole situation was a mess but there's no way it should have went to a replay. The referee made a mistake that day, just like the ref made a mistake in the AI semi final the same year which cost Kildare a place in the final (strangely without the mass hysterical calls for a replay or mass hysterical witch hunt of Down), unfortunately mistakes are made all the time but if we went to a replay every time a ref made a mistake the championships would be a mess.

For me there should be very limited circumstances which call for a replay, I think if the referee blows up early (ie a few minutes before the 70) then it has to go to a replay, and if the score is wrong then maybe, but it depends on how the game itself panned out. Apparently we got a score we shouldn't have but also we didn't get a score that we should have........which kinda cancels each other out for me.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 06/06/2016 21:05:50    1862479

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It was not Meath's fault is correct, a human error was made. Like the All Ireland Semi Final in the 90s with the time keeping this is simply a null and void situation. The meeting tomorrow should last all of five minutes, the facts are when the scores are added up the match was a draw. Not one team lost and certainly not one team won the Christy Ring Cup. These two teams are yet to be divided. There should not be room made for two promotion places, a replay should be ordered and again the scores then added up (hopefully correctly this time) and the winners awarded the title. It is harsh on Meath who have celebrated but they actually celebrated a draw, they did not win the match. There really should not be a big issue here, I dont understand why Meath and Antrim County Boards are not spending time talking about relevant replay dates with the CCCC.. the fact a replay will happen should be a given.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 06/06/2016 21:14:54    1862483

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Ugh, it just gets worse. According to the latest article on the main page (link), TG4 actually flagged that the score was incorrect, and got word to the side line. The Meath bench alerted the linesman to ascertain if the score was wrong. He radio'd the referee, who replied (according to the Meath selector) that the score board was right, and TG4 were wrong. If this is true, if the officials were alerted to the issue by the Meath bench with nearly 10 minutes left, it makes the whole thing even worse. But if the officials chose to ignore the issue, and reassured the Meath selectors that the scoreboard was indeed correct and the media was wrong, I don't see how a replay can be ordered.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 06/06/2016 21:20:35    1862485

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  "Ugh, it just gets worse. According to the latest article on the main page (link), TG4 actually flagged that the score was incorrect, and got word to the side line. The Meath bench alerted the linesman to ascertain if the score was wrong. He radio'd the referee, who replied (according to the Meath selector) that the score board was right, and TG4 were wrong. If this is true, if the officials were alerted to the issue by the Meath bench with nearly 10 minutes left, it makes the whole thing even worse. But if the officials chose to ignore the issue, and reassured the Meath selectors that the scoreboard was indeed correct and the media was wrong, I don't see how a replay can be ordered."
Agreed.Meath played the game near the end thinking they were ahead.They had a free that they may have scored had they known the game was level.Instead their manager told them to just hit it out of play.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 06/06/2016 21:30:11    1862489

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In my view, in these messy circumstances, Meath should keep the cup and no replay. However, in fairness Meath should offer Antrim a play off ( in Navan) for promotion to the McCarthy Cup. Maybe this isn't strictly allowable under the rules but if Meath offer it then it should be ok. I don't think there is any rule book that adequately covers this farce, which seems to get worse by the hour.

I think Meath keeping the cup and Antrim getting a play off for promotion would settle it in as even handed a manner as is possible.

Do Antrim really want the cup? Hardly, it's surely all about getting back up to McCarthy for them (if good enough to earn it on the field). I suspect the Cup is more important for Meath who, no disrespect, may not be ready for the McCarthy cup yet albeit if they beat Antrim in a play off they can legitimately say they've proven themselves good enough to have a shot at it. I'm not sure they can say that at the moment.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 06/06/2016 21:41:38    1862499

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What a joke. The game was a draw. As with all draws there should be a replay. Suggestions of a miss awarded Meath point are a speculative muddying of the waters. The primary fact here, as recorded on live TV, is that Meath were effectively credited with an Antrim score.

The CCCC (or whatever they go by) will have no autonomy whatsoever to overrule the referees final recording of the score. The only real precedent here is Laois' commendable offer/acceptance of a replay to Carlow following a miss-recorded point (again on national TV) in the Leinster Championship in the early 90's. People of Antrim should look to recent history here however, to realise the prospects of that. There's probably a better chance of Aerlene Foster taking up ceili dancing.

Meath as someone posted here earlier, would most likely have won in extra time. Fact is they patently drew however, and to profit from this is simply wrong and against the general ethos of sport, whatever the game or code concerned. Go and beat them without an asterisk against the history books. Anything less isn't really worth having

Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 510 - 06/06/2016 21:49:55    1862505

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Replying To Passer_By:  "What a joke. The game was a draw. As with all draws there should be a replay. Suggestions of a miss awarded Meath point are a speculative muddying of the waters. The primary fact here, as recorded on live TV, is that Meath were effectively credited with an Antrim score.

The CCCC (or whatever they go by) will have no autonomy whatsoever to overrule the referees final recording of the score. The only real precedent here is Laois' commendable offer/acceptance of a replay to Carlow following a miss-recorded point (again on national TV) in the Leinster Championship in the early 90's. People of Antrim should look to recent history here however, to realise the prospects of that. There's probably a better chance of Aerlene Foster taking up ceili dancing.

Meath as someone posted here earlier, would most likely have won in extra time. Fact is they patently drew however, and to profit from this is simply wrong and against the general ethos of sport, whatever the game or code concerned. Go and beat them without an asterisk against the history books. Anything less isn't really worth having"
"The CCCC (or whatever they go by) will have no autonomy whatsoever to overrule the referees final recording of the score. "


But in this case the ref acknowledged that the match was a draw and, no doubt, his report will reflect that and the CCCC will not have to overrule anything.

Torcaill (Australia) - Posts: 204 - 06/06/2016 21:57:23    1862515

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Replying To Passer_By:  "What a joke. The game was a draw. As with all draws there should be a replay. Suggestions of a miss awarded Meath point are a speculative muddying of the waters. The primary fact here, as recorded on live TV, is that Meath were effectively credited with an Antrim score.

The CCCC (or whatever they go by) will have no autonomy whatsoever to overrule the referees final recording of the score. The only real precedent here is Laois' commendable offer/acceptance of a replay to Carlow following a miss-recorded point (again on national TV) in the Leinster Championship in the early 90's. People of Antrim should look to recent history here however, to realise the prospects of that. There's probably a better chance of Aerlene Foster taking up ceili dancing.

Meath as someone posted here earlier, would most likely have won in extra time. Fact is they patently drew however, and to profit from this is simply wrong and against the general ethos of sport, whatever the game or code concerned. Go and beat them without an asterisk against the history books. Anything less isn't really worth having"
The question is..

What WILL happen tomorrow?..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 06/06/2016 22:14:00    1862528

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