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The referee appears to have made a mistake, and owned up to it. Hard on Meath but I am sure they will understand if Croke Park do the right thing. No way should Meath bear any burden in the decision making. 2 wrongs won't make a right.

Glensboy (Antrim) - Posts: 290 - 05/06/2016 19:34:58    1861913

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Replying To Glensboy:  "The referee appears to have made a mistake, and owned up to it. Hard on Meath but I am sure they will understand if Croke Park do the right thing. No way should Meath bear any burden in the decision making. 2 wrongs won't make a right."
Can we have replays due to a mistake from the referee?

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 05/06/2016 19:46:41    1861919

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Replying To Glensboy:  "The referee appears to have made a mistake, and owned up to it. Hard on Meath but I am sure they will understand if Croke Park do the right thing. No way should Meath bear any burden in the decision making. 2 wrongs won't make a right."
If I was croke park I would promote both teams and leave it at that you just can't hand someone a trophy and take it back .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 05/06/2016 19:47:27    1861920

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "Problem is if the ref made a mistake we surely cannot have a replay? If thats the case we could have a lot of replays..."
Well this is very true also, and maybe I'm contradicting myself here because I was totally against Ireland getting a replay against France in 2009 and against Louth getting a replay in 2010. Both teams were very unlucky to be denied by scores that shouldn't have stood and for consistency sake I suppose I should be against Antrim getting a replay, to be perfectly honest I'm a little bit apathetic to this situation, I was genuinely delighted for our Hurlers but ultimately I don't really mind what happens.

I think delboy has a point, Croke Park should just promote both teams, ok Antrim still don't get the cup but at least they'd be in the top tier next season.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 05/06/2016 20:07:18    1861930

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Replying To Dellboypolecat:  "If I was croke park I would promote both teams and leave it at that you just can't hand someone a trophy and take it back ."
Yeah that would be fair at this stage.Being from Meath aside,I really don't like the idea of replays due to refs mistakes.Could open up a can of worms.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 05/06/2016 20:09:05    1861932

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Hopefully we'll get more clarity over the next few days over what went wrong. But from what I've gathered so far, the following failures occured yesterday:
- The Scoreboard in Croke Park had the incorrect score
- The referee wasn't keeping his own independant scoring record, for whatever reason
- Hawkeye wasn't available for use

Are all the above correct? I don't want to lapse into indulgent whinging, but if all 3 of the above are true, someone somewhere is finally going to have to address how these games are treated.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 05/06/2016 20:12:59    1861936

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Replying To Dellboypolecat:  "If I was croke park I would promote both teams and leave it at that you just can't hand someone a trophy and take it back ."
that is very true..i feel sorry for Antrim but it wasn't Meath fault that they won..they celebrated last night and into the little hours,to take back the cup and tell players they have to play the game next week would be extremely hard on does players,it would be known as the Christy kiss me ring cup after that !

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 05/06/2016 20:15:51    1861937

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Replying To WhyTheLongFace:  "that is very true..i feel sorry for Antrim but it wasn't Meath fault that they won..they celebrated last night and into the little hours,to take back the cup and tell players they have to play the game next week would be extremely hard on does players,it would be known as the Christy kiss me ring cup after that !"
Yeah totally agree, I honestly think both teams have to be promoted. I know Antrim wouldn't get the cup, but I don't think they would mind,
But this decision cannot be left at meaths door, damned if you do damned if you don't. Just like 2010 all over again, that situation should never have been left at meaths door. Neither should this one, what do we elect president and all the others for?. This is their decision and Meath and Antrim will abide by their decision. However I feel the best solution would be to promote both.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 05/06/2016 20:48:46    1861965

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It seems the game was a draw. This is a terrible mess, if Meath were awarded the Cup on the error of a scoreboard operator that cannot stand. Equally to ask Meath to hand back the Cup & replay the game would be devastating and demoralising for a fine bunch of hurlers. who deserve every bit of encouragement the Association can give.
I agree with the Proposal to promote both teams into next year's Championship but either outcome re resolving the Cup itself could be deemed unfair.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 05/06/2016 20:49:57    1861968

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I hope common sense does come out of it and so everyone agrees that to promote both and leave trophy where it is ? And to add just human error so no point blaming teams and feel for ref he made mistake .so promote them both

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 05/06/2016 21:03:20    1861975

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It appears that like the game was a draw. There isn't a cat's chance in hell that Croke Park will promote both teams. Natural justice would say, replay.

Glensboy (Antrim) - Posts: 290 - 05/06/2016 21:08:04    1861978

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Replying To Glensboy:  "It appears that like the game was a draw. There isn't a cat's chance in hell that Croke Park will promote both teams. Natural justice would say, replay."
I disagree you can't hand someone a trophy and then take it back .that would be so wrong .common sense is to let both go up everybody wins

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 05/06/2016 21:17:33    1861983

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Dellboy. We are not looking for a cup. Meath can keep it, good luck to them. I would be surprised, no shocked, if both teams were promoted. Meath. who in my opinion are also victims in this debacle, didn't win the game. Replay.

Glensboy (Antrim) - Posts: 290 - 05/06/2016 21:33:31    1861992

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Replying To Glensboy:  "Dellboy. We are not looking for a cup. Meath can keep it, good luck to them. I would be surprised, no shocked, if both teams were promoted. Meath. who in my opinion are also victims in this debacle, didn't win the game. Replay."
Fair enough I just feel common sense should prevail

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 05/06/2016 21:44:02    1861995

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Replying To Dellboypolecat:  "I disagree you can't hand someone a trophy and then take it back .that would be so wrong .common sense is to let both go up everybody wins"
Does everyone win though? I'm not so sure. The Christy Ring cup certainly doesn't win. The competition was already weakened by the top 2nd tier teams being put in the provincial round robin. Take another of the stronger 2nd level teams out of it, and you reduce the stature of the competition a little bit more.

Also, is being promoted to the round robin group that much of a reward? Not if the proposed changes for the 2017 championship are upheld. Those changes would see the Christy Ring winners leapfrog over the provincial group, straight into a Leinster quarter-final, while now 5 teams battle away in a tougher provincial round robin, to get to the same stage. I think if both teams are promoted, the only winners might be Carlow, who would have to be very confident of winning next years Christy RIng, and getting to a Leinster QF.

I don't know, maybe both teams should be promoted. But there would be consequences.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 05/06/2016 21:48:03    1861999

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Why would it be wrong? if they didn't deserve it, they shouldn't have it. That's sport... That's the head though, the heart says promote both teams and relegate two next year. Maybe call it a draw and share the title?

muffinbutton (Clare) - Posts: 20 - 05/06/2016 22:52:09    1862015

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Meath knew shortly after the game there was a dispute so if they chose to celebrate then fair enough. Over the 70 mins they were the better side, but didn't score enough to win the game. Had their last gasp free went over instead of wide then we wouldn't be discussing this. The facts are that the game ended level. As much as Meath deserved the win, they didn't win. It's horrible for their players to hold a tainted title for that is what it is. They are not Christy Ring Cup winners, they did not win the game. Extra time should have been played, it wasn't so we go again to decide who are the champions. Sentiment doesn't come into it. At 5.29pm on Saturday, two sets of players lined out expecting a fair game with a fair result. We haven't got that. Let's go again and find out who can win a game of hurling over 70mins plus, we didn't find out on Saturday as it was a draw. As for fellow Antrim people giving it the 'ah let them have it' - where is your pride? I know if shoe was on other foot Meath lads would be going mental and rightly so. fair play, is that too much to ask?

srb (Antrim) - Posts: 344 - 06/06/2016 00:06:35    1862027

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This match should be replayed. We've seen plenty of scenarios in recent years where there's been calls for replays over disputed scores or dodgy refereeing calls but the score is not in dispute here. It is acknowledged to be a score regardless of the referee's input only technical personnel screwed it up. There's nothing the Antrim players can do about a scorekeeper's screw up & they don't deserve this as a result of it. It should be replayed.

gigoer (Wexford) - Posts: 1998 - 06/06/2016 00:55:19    1862029

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Replying To srb:  "Meath knew shortly after the game there was a dispute so if they chose to celebrate then fair enough. Over the 70 mins they were the better side, but didn't score enough to win the game. Had their last gasp free went over instead of wide then we wouldn't be discussing this. The facts are that the game ended level. As much as Meath deserved the win, they didn't win. It's horrible for their players to hold a tainted title for that is what it is. They are not Christy Ring Cup winners, they did not win the game. Extra time should have been played, it wasn't so we go again to decide who are the champions. Sentiment doesn't come into it. At 5.29pm on Saturday, two sets of players lined out expecting a fair game with a fair result. We haven't got that. Let's go again and find out who can win a game of hurling over 70mins plus, we didn't find out on Saturday as it was a draw. As for fellow Antrim people giving it the 'ah let them have it' - where is your pride? I know if shoe was on other foot Meath lads would be going mental and rightly so. fair play, is that too much to ask?"
completely sympathise with you and the Antrim team,but a sport psychologist would tell you if there was a reply next week or the week after or even a month the bit between the teeth and the hungry team will be Antrim..they have everything to prove and right the wrongs so its very very easy for them to lift themselves..plus giving them the reply would give them a spring in there step!

if there is a reply it should happen in 3 months time or even longer..some of the meath players have organized other things outside of hurling after the christy ring final ..its a Amature sport they still have to get on with there lives outside of hurling.

How does anybody right the wrongs in the scenario i really dont know..if i was the Meath hurling captain i would give Antrim the reply this Wednesday..and if we won i would give them another reply Saturday!

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 06/06/2016 01:28:50    1862030

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If it's deemed a draw but nobody wants a replay then promote both teams. Let Meath keep the cup for 6 months since they already have it and then hand it over to Antrim for 6 months. If that's not agreeable then only other solution is a replay.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 06/06/2016 01:55:20    1862033

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