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noticed on Saturday that when Meath sub came on in second half he was welcomed by Antrim player with a handshake, not the usual attempt at intimidation, fair play, good sportsman

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 08/06/2016 14:06:18    1863625

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Have to say that i think the opinion peice on the hoganstand prob hit the nail in the head. leave the offical result as "unfinished", play a play off next spring to see who gets promoted. give antrim the cup for a few months too if they want or else GAA can have it back. we should all move on now and forget about it. It seems as though both Antrim and Meath dont want a replay so no point forcing either team. walk away and come back next April and play a play off game for promotion

dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 693 - 08/06/2016 15:26:25    1863690

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Absolutely there should be a replay but it should be on terms agreed between Antrim and Meath and not dictated by the farcical powers that be. Both counties should take a stand and refuse to play the replay on Saturday. Both teams would have been out for a few nights celebrating or downing sorrows so there is no way they would be in optimum shape for a game this weekend.

Some solidarity between both counties would be good for it to work. If the replay goes ahead on Saturday, the GAA get off scot free despite their culpability in the matter. Meath management have already stated their reluctance to play the match on Saturday. If Antrim turn up and Meath don't, whats the worst that can happen? Antrim awarded the cup? Would they really feel like they won it based on a no show from Meath? Play the game Saturday and it will be another mess swept under the carpet.

Whyalwaysmeath (Meath) - Posts: 27 - 08/06/2016 15:45:26    1863699

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Antrim will do nothing, as anyone would in their situation. They can't lose no matter what happens. If Meath field on saturday, Antrim will almost certainly win, get the CR and go back up to where they reckon they belong.

If Meath give a walkover, Antrim will take the cup, say "its not how we wanted it to be, a regrettable event, we feel Meath's pain, blah blah" but be delighted at getting fast tracked back into the SHC.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1647 - 08/06/2016 16:05:53    1863716

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Castle,

Antrim can lose on the pitch which is the most important place, is it not?

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 08/06/2016 16:17:35    1863720

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Before I read through the comments here I had more sympathy for Antrim than Meath in this sorry affair. But after reading the comments I feel sorry for both counties equally.

The way the GAA and their review committees have handled this from start to finish is a joke. After the limerick minors being mistreated three years ago you'd think they would make sure that hawkeye Wouldn't fail a county again.

Playing the match this weekend is very disrespectful to both sides. It's hardly surprising when the county of our esteemed president do not bother fielding a hurling team.

I've have been consistently posting here for the past 3/4 years that inter county hurling referees are not up to scratch. Some of the biggest matches of the 2013 season were decided by poor refereeing decisions and things haven't moved on much in the meantime.

I hope this whole saga doesn't leave bitterness behind for either or both teams but I wouldn't blame them if they feel let down.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 08/06/2016 16:26:39    1863725

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It was already a shock for Meath to draw with Antrim (we'd lost every previous meeting in championship hurling). For Meath to better that again by winning a week later, after spending 3 or 4 days on the beer is a pretty unlikely achievement. Would be great if they managed it, but I don't see it happening.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1647 - 08/06/2016 16:27:25    1863727

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Huge embarrassment for the Gaa, a complete & utter shambles of a national final that has failed both counties. We had a game played in Croke Park with 8 officials for the game, a scoreboard marker, Hawkeye technology & a host of media yet we have this shambles. I feel for both counties, Antrim who were level at full time & especially for Meath who could be possibly denied a title now, which was celebrated with gusto amid fantastic scenes of joy by players, management, families & esp young children. How do parents explain that no Meath didn't win ? It is similar to the Meath & Louth Leinster final debacle that denied Louth their moment of glory. Even the way this has been handled in the aftermath has been a mess. Unfortunately the Association is heading this way nationally for some time & it contrasts badly against its competitor sports with such incompetence.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 08/06/2016 16:57:11    1863747

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Replying To Whyalwaysmeath:  "Absolutely there should be a replay but it should be on terms agreed between Antrim and Meath and not dictated by the farcical powers that be. Both counties should take a stand and refuse to play the replay on Saturday. Both teams would have been out for a few nights celebrating or downing sorrows so there is no way they would be in optimum shape for a game this weekend.

Some solidarity between both counties would be good for it to work. If the replay goes ahead on Saturday, the GAA get off scot free despite their culpability in the matter. Meath management have already stated their reluctance to play the match on Saturday. If Antrim turn up and Meath don't, whats the worst that can happen? Antrim awarded the cup? Would they really feel like they won it based on a no show from Meath? Play the game Saturday and it will be another mess swept under the carpet."
Agreed.

Antrim and Meath should come together so to speak.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 08/06/2016 17:13:32    1863762

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Huge embarrassment for the Gaa, a complete & utter shambles of a national final that has failed both counties. We had a game played in Croke Park with 8 officials for the game, a scoreboard marker, Hawkeye technology & a host of media yet we have this shambles. I feel for both counties, Antrim who were level at full time & especially for Meath who could be possibly denied a title now, which was celebrated with gusto amid fantastic scenes of joy by players, management, families & esp young children. How do parents explain that no Meath didn't win ? It is similar to the Meath & Louth Leinster final debacle that denied Louth their moment of glory. Even the way this has been handled in the aftermath has been a mess. Unfortunately the Association is heading this way nationally for some time & it contrasts badly against its competitor sports with such incompetence."
Scrap the reply and promote both sides ...simple solution to the problem..Benefits hurling in both counties as well....

If they can't see this then the GAA top men should retire!

BigJohn.6_8 (Galway) - Posts: 704 - 08/06/2016 17:17:16    1863764

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Replying To BigJohn.6_8:  "Scrap the reply and promote both sides ...simple solution to the problem..Benefits hurling in both counties as well....

If they can't see this then the GAA top men should retire!"
Yeah, but you have to consider the benefit to the remaining Christy Ring counties as well. The competition was already weakened by the promotion of teams such as Westmeath, Laois, Carlow, Kerry etc to the provincial qualifer group. Promoting both Antrim and Meath would weaken the Ring competition further. Now, I'm not saying promoting both Antrim and Meath isn't a fair solution. Since Del suggested it earlier in the thread, I've actually started to think it is the fairest solution. But it would have consequences for the remaining Ring teams, and the level of competition they would get to face.

I think there is no good solution to this mess, just a least bad solution. The callousness, and hubris, of the GAA hierarchy in how they've dealt with this, has genuinely surprised me though. After Hawkeye not being used, the score not being kept properly, the failure to address the error when it was pointed out during the match, the failure to deal with it directly after the match,I would have expected a general apology and addressing of the failures, and an attempt to work with both teams to reach the fairest resolution. But instead they order a replay with 4 days notice. This is a low.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 08/06/2016 19:09:56    1863824

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Leinster senior football championship June 18th 1995.
(The point that never was)
My point being, Laois sportingly offered Carlow a re-match.
That night, RTE's Sunday Game showed the match -- and yes, the slow-motion replay revealed that the shot had indeed gone wide.
The incident was shown over and over again, prompting former inter-county referee Seamus Aldridge to say it received more TV coverage than the OJ Simpson trial!
Laois officials saw it, as did Carlow's, and the Leinster Council -- led by provincial secretary Michael Delaney -- took a pro-active role in the affair.
Jack Nolan, then Laois PRO, remembered the day well. Recalling it, he says: "After the match, we just took it that it was one of those things, that you get a bit of luck and that's the way it works out sometimes.
"But when we saw the RTE film, and it was blatantly clear the ball went by the post and not over the bar, there was no dissension among us. The Leinster Council was meeting on the Tuesday, but we had our own meeting and were prepared to offer Carlow a re-match.
"That's what happened. We had no hesitation about it and we played again the following Sunday at Portlaoise. The sponsors, Bank of Ireland, presented us with a special Fair Play award before the game," he said.
Some counties in the modern era could do well to emulate Laois' generosity. They got their reward, winning the re-match 1-16 to 0-16.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 08/06/2016 19:35:15    1863829

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Replying To seadog54:  "noticed on Saturday that when Meath sub came on in second half he was welcomed by Antrim player with a handshake, not the usual attempt at intimidation, fair play, good sportsman"
He also gave the sub a goal and point, 'very nice Antrim boy', that's our problem.

Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - Posts: 346 - 08/06/2016 20:17:22    1863851

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Replying To Finsceal:  "SAturday 7pm Newry
End of story ."
I doubt that very much.
Time for both counties to make a stand against the ccc / HQ, and the president who told how the ccc had to decide. No apologies, and also should be free admittance to anyone who was there,
Furthermore I encourage as many Meath people to turn up and protest in whatever peaceful means possible, I also ask Antrim to joins us, both counties are the victims of incompetents at the highest level.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 08/06/2016 20:18:45    1863853

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So the Meath manager says they are against replaying a final that they've already won. They won this game, in what seems a first in hurling for me, despite not scoring more than Antrim. Quite an achievement.

There is a question as to whether or not the CCCC should have made this decision earlier, or that they game could maybe be rescheduled for more than 4 days away, but surely there can be no question that the game must be replayed?

Championships and promotions must be earned. As harsh as that sounds, under the current structures, neither Meath nor Antrim have earned that title or promotion yet. Not in the way that Kerry earned it last year for example.

In 1998 there was a replay of an All-Ireland semi-final because the referee didn't allow the full amount of time for the second half. Clare thought they had won but in reality they, like Meath, had not won the match. A replay had to be played to give both Clare and Offaly a chance to earn their place properly in the All-Ireland Final. The same as now a replay must be played to give either Meath or Antrim an opportunity to earn their prize.

Meath did not beat Antrim, the bad handling of it does not change this fact.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 08/06/2016 20:21:49    1863856

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Replying To supersub15:  "Leinster senior football championship June 18th 1995.
(The point that never was)
My point being, Laois sportingly offered Carlow a re-match.
That night, RTE's Sunday Game showed the match -- and yes, the slow-motion replay revealed that the shot had indeed gone wide.
The incident was shown over and over again, prompting former inter-county referee Seamus Aldridge to say it received more TV coverage than the OJ Simpson trial!
Laois officials saw it, as did Carlow's, and the Leinster Council -- led by provincial secretary Michael Delaney -- took a pro-active role in the affair.
Jack Nolan, then Laois PRO, remembered the day well. Recalling it, he says: "After the match, we just took it that it was one of those things, that you get a bit of luck and that's the way it works out sometimes.
"But when we saw the RTE film, and it was blatantly clear the ball went by the post and not over the bar, there was no dissension among us. The Leinster Council was meeting on the Tuesday, but we had our own meeting and were prepared to offer Carlow a re-match.
"That's what happened. We had no hesitation about it and we played again the following Sunday at Portlaoise. The sponsors, Bank of Ireland, presented us with a special Fair Play award before the game," he said.
Some counties in the modern era could do well to emulate Laois' generosity. They got their reward, winning the re-match 1-16 to 0-16."
Yes but you see back then, as you say, the Leinster Council took a pro active stance on it, in 2010 they did not take such a stance nor did Croke Park or the CCCC and the left the significant ball of sh1t on the steps of Pairc Tailteann which was completely wrong. Everything that Croke Park and the CCCC have done in relation to this matter has been wrong to both Meath and Antrim and as I stated before where is the apology to both teams?? I a led to believe that tonight's Meath County Board meeting has agreed to a replay but not next Saturday in the interests of player welfare and instead want it played on June 18th in Croke Park, back to you CCCC

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 08/06/2016 20:34:34    1863864

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Replying To supersub15:  "Leinster senior football championship June 18th 1995.
(The point that never was)
My point being, Laois sportingly offered Carlow a re-match.
That night, RTE's Sunday Game showed the match -- and yes, the slow-motion replay revealed that the shot had indeed gone wide.
The incident was shown over and over again, prompting former inter-county referee Seamus Aldridge to say it received more TV coverage than the OJ Simpson trial!
Laois officials saw it, as did Carlow's, and the Leinster Council -- led by provincial secretary Michael Delaney -- took a pro-active role in the affair.
Jack Nolan, then Laois PRO, remembered the day well. Recalling it, he says: "After the match, we just took it that it was one of those things, that you get a bit of luck and that's the way it works out sometimes.
"But when we saw the RTE film, and it was blatantly clear the ball went by the post and not over the bar, there was no dissension among us. The Leinster Council was meeting on the Tuesday, but we had our own meeting and were prepared to offer Carlow a re-match.
"That's what happened. We had no hesitation about it and we played again the following Sunday at Portlaoise. The sponsors, Bank of Ireland, presented us with a special Fair Play award before the game," he said.
Some counties in the modern era could do well to emulate Laois' generosity. They got their reward, winning the re-match 1-16 to 0-16."
What cup was on offer that day? Was Laois on the beer for days? Was there a homecoming in portlaoise ?
Apples and oranges my friend.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 08/06/2016 20:36:02    1863867

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Meath have agreed to a replay if played on June 18th in Croke Park I am led to believe.......

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 08/06/2016 20:37:14    1863868

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looks like its going to be replayed meath agree to it

dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 693 - 08/06/2016 20:47:27    1863874

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looks like its going to be replayed meath agree to it

dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 693 - 08/06/2016 20:47:42    1863875

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