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I think its more likely to reduce them . if this replay goes ahead on Saturday (and I hope Meath refuse to play it) Antrim will inevitably win it, and probably by a sizeable margin. As the opinion piece on the Hoganstand home page says, the simplest solution to this fiasco (and also the wisest) is to leave the trophy and the title with Meath (for whom the title means everything ) and let both teams play a decider early next year to decide which team plays in the McCarthy Cup. That would appear to be Antrim's primary goal -- they see the McCarthy Cup competition as their rightful place and their Christy Ring sojourn as a kind of waking nightmare, so winning the trophy would be no big deal to them. For Meath on the other hand winning the Christy Ring means everything and qualifying for the McCarthy Cup would be a poisoned chalice. Undoubtedly they would not hold their own in the McCarthy Cup and would be out of their depth and from a competitive point of view would be far better off spending another year at Christy Ring level and consolidating their progress. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1905 - 08/06/2016 11:33:43 1863489 Link 0 |
And what happens then arock in the situation where say a referee loses his pencil which is his means of recording the score in his book and uses the scoreboard as his marker? Do you take the score from the point he last had his pencil? If so, do we know what time he lost it so we can see who actually was ahead and should be declared the winners? Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 08/06/2016 11:33:47 1863490 Link 0 |
Solution posted on HS homepage seems to be best option for all, but GAA will not back down, they have little interest in a fair solution, just get it over with and get on with the hurling that matters.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 08/06/2016 11:40:07 1863498 Link 1 |
well irish downunder, we all knew that they would have have to force a replay even if the official confirmation took another 72hrs. bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 08/06/2016 11:41:27 1863499 Link 0 |
What utter crap, in that case you would have trophy presentations in empty stadiums, that would be fairly boring. I really feel sorry for Antrim this is a hard luck story on them for sure, look what happened the Irish showjumping team an official made a mistake which cost them Olympic qualification, they didn't get a 2nd chance.
AthboyCelt (Meath) - Posts: 147 - 08/06/2016 11:46:00 1863502 Link 0 |
Every ref at junior level would have a spare pencil or two. In Croke Park, even more options exist, umpires, linesmen, 4th official, even the bloody crowd if he needed a pen / pencil that badly. I do not think that the ref lost his pencil and had to rely on the scoreboard. Perhaps he got confused and doubted his own accuracy and went with the scoreboard. If so, why not check with his umpires who are generally instructed to keep scores too.
Torcaill (Australia) - Posts: 204 - 08/06/2016 11:47:51 1863506 Link 0 |
So is a compromise then for the two counties to get their heads together and let Meath take the Cup and Antrim the place in next seasons top tier?
Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 08/06/2016 11:49:50 1863508 Link 0 |
Pool, bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 08/06/2016 11:53:00 1863510 Link 0 |
Sorry but your incorrect as when it was mentioned that a cccc meeting would take place meath asked the ccc (as they are entitled to do) to also look at the point that was waved wide as it was a justifiable score and as to why Hawkeye was not used . In which case they would have won outright. Therefore at the time if the CCC had done as asked of them, Meath would be champions still.
Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 631 - 08/06/2016 11:53:46 1863511 Link 1 |
I think Croke Park know full well what they are doing by putting this fixture for Saturday.They know damn well that Meath won't play the fixture,so as to put the blame on Meaths door. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 08/06/2016 12:05:46 1863517 Link 0 |
What on earth is wrong with officials in the GAA. At the very least both teams should be allowed to compete in Leinster Championship next year. I think the result should be allowed to stand once officials could not rectify the mistake at the time. Hard to believe Meath would be in any mental condition to play this weekend. Antrim have every right to feel aggrieved at the sorry mess created by the GAA. Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 08/06/2016 12:12:04 1863524 Link 1 |
...so this is how you would do it too, I take it, making a rushed unsure decision and make everybody look like fools as a result. Offaly v Clare in '98 I believe was made replay because the ref blew too early and believed Clare had won the game, Clare lost the replay. Was that the right decision to replay? of course it was...
murrax (Wexford) - Posts: 90 - 08/06/2016 12:39:15 1863552 Link 0 |
Irish down_under - you like a lot of people are looking at this from a Meath and only Meath points of view. With regards your previous post I agree with bumper 100% - I think it was shortsighted at best for those who call the shots in Meath GAA to carry on regardless when the world and her mother knew what the craic was by Sunday, that the match was a draw, that the ref had said as much and that the CCCC were meeting to resolve on Tuesday. Of course none of what went on Saturday evening is Meaths or Antrims fault but I am sorry to say but in my opinion what happened from Sunday onwards within the County with regards to homecomings, celebrations etc lies squarely at the feet of their County executive as there was only ever going to be one conclusion to this saga. I can tell you that if the situation was reversed and our County hadn't pulled the reigns on the celebrations by Sunday I would be on here giving out stink about them for not having the foresight to read the situation as to what the conclusion was going to be and putting the team in a situation where they were then being told to play the game this Saturday. While Meath GAA/supporters etc have every right to be angry with the GAA (as do we) I think that you should be sending some of that anger towards those in officialdom within your own County instead of playing the sole victim card. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 08/06/2016 12:39:27 1863554 Link 1 |
Irish while I understand you feeling aggrieved at the 'point that never was', I missed it myself tbh and cant comment either way as I haven't watched a repeat but ive no reason to doubt those who have said it was a point. However hand on heart did you really think they would just award you that point and be done with it? I have to say, if the shoe had been on the other foot, I would have been hugely disappointed if my county board had pushed for that as some kind of justification for not having a replay. That is seriously not meant as a shot across the bow btw, it is just a completely genuine opinion and I would hope most Antrim supporters would feel similarly. bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 08/06/2016 12:54:27 1863565 Link 1 |
Another issue is the fact that Meath had a free at the end.If they had known it was a draw game,they may have taken more care with it,instead they were focused in killing it dead. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 08/06/2016 12:55:40 1863566 Link 1 |
Only question I have is why did this happen? Have I missed something, has a statement been issued? Have we been told why the referee was seemingly depending on a faulty scoreboard? Why the umpires/4th official/ the referee himself weren't taking the score themselves? Lots of speculation with regards to lost pencils etc but do we actually know? Poor form on behalf of the GAA first to wait until Tuesday before holding any form of meeting and not issue a full statement. meath_ (Meath) - Posts: 25 - 08/06/2016 12:59:30 1863570 Link 0 |
I agree with what your saying it's just the timeline of the post match events is ridiculous to everyone. Honestly if they had called for the game to be next Saturday the 18th, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I think the management were merely feeling aggrieved that the point was not awarded and were asking for clearance. I honestly don't think that they expected that to be awarded although as the GAA/CCC ALWAYS opt for the easiest way out of an issue, it would not have surprised me if they had of awarded the point and declared meath the winners and watch the carnage unfold while they run and hide..
Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 631 - 08/06/2016 13:20:17 1863581 Link 0 |
When all is said and done do the Meath players really want to win a Championship without the replay? MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 08/06/2016 13:24:47 1863588 Link 0 |
Its crazy that time keeping and scorekeeping are still responsibility of the referee . They should be taken away and let the ref focus on refereeing . Its almost impossible to record a score before some keepers have the ball kicked out or pucked out now . Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 767 - 08/06/2016 13:30:40 1863592 Link 0 |
Nothing was clarified, the ref just gave Meath officials his interpretation of the event but apparently had lost his pencil, as a result was unsure of the score, depended on an incorrect scoreboard over sideline objections, he was obviously was confused and felt pressured to make a decision. History saying the team who is ahead on the scoreboard at the end wins? You mean the correct scoreboard of course, this is why they ruled a replay, incorrect score keeping.
murrax (Wexford) - Posts: 90 - 08/06/2016 13:56:56 1863614 Link 0 |