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Replying To murrax:  "Meath ripped off? They were credited a score they didn't get, Antrim got ripped off being denied a replay they rightfully earned. I think it is high time for the Meath manager to step up and set an example to his squad and to sport in general by saying the only way you win is by earning it, not by cheating, or getting help from a third party etc.
Maybe they should take a page from golf where a player will call a foul on themselves and the score isn't official until a signed scorecard is turned in."
your basically saying we knew all along the score was wrong and kept our mouths shut...our management asked the officals what was the correct score because it came down from tg4 that the score was wrong the ref said the scoreboard was correct and that tg4 was wrong..we played the game that was in front of us...if the ref knew after the game he made a score error why did it take so long..this should have been sorted within 5 minutes of full time. this ddidn't need 72 hours to make a decision. this is the gaa's fault both teams have been let down by the GAA. not fair on both sets of players but whoever does the stats for antrim should have said it right away

srgt_slaughter (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 08/06/2016 08:22:10    1863370

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "Whatever about a replay being ordered, it shouldn't have been fixed for this Saturday, especially with the CCCC waiting till today to come to a decision. A farce of the highest order. But Antrim (and Meath) played to the scoreboard, so maybe the right thing would be for the counties to agree that Antrim not show up and that Meath select a token 15 players (over-40's, U-14s, etc), score a point and collect the trophy."
So what you are saying is that Antrim (also victims of the shambolic organising and officiating on Saturday) should go with the original mistake and facilitate the same outcome of last Saturdays mistake?

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 08/06/2016 08:26:21    1863372

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Apologies for hogging this board this morning lads but just catching up on a lot of stuff since yesterdays announcement - I think the important thing here is for the two counties not to fall out over this as we have both been treated with a degree of contempt since Saturday morning or even earlier when plans were being put in place for this final.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 08/06/2016 08:30:25    1863374

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Replying To Naysayer:  "Apologies for hogging this board this morning lads but just catching up on a lot of stuff since yesterdays announcement - I think the important thing here is for the two counties not to fall out over this as we have both been treated with a degree of contempt since Saturday morning or even earlier when plans were being put in place for this final."
Oh god I have no problem with Antrim.I have a serious problem with the Gaa over the whole thing.The clear lack of respect they have shown both counties and the competition as a whole.They have proven they don't care unless its Kilkenny,Tipp etc.Personally I think Meath and Antrim should go to Newry on Saturday and as soon as the ref blows the whistle to start the game both sides should sit on the pitch.Amazing how HQ hasn't apolagized to both teams.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 08/06/2016 08:59:07    1863380

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A replay was not only the correct decision, it was thee ONLY decision that made any sense. Both teams cannot go into the Liam McMarthy next season and Meath were awarded a trophy for a game they had not won...its a no brainer. Yeah, it totally stinks for both sides (particularly Meath) but lads, in the scheme of things, it aint the end of the world! Mistakes happen..people are only human!

THEMOLE2 (Down) - Posts: 1615 - 08/06/2016 09:03:41    1863381

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Replying To Naysayer:  "So what you are saying is that Antrim (also victims of the shambolic organising and officiating on Saturday) should go with the original mistake and facilitate the same outcome of last Saturdays mistake?"
Yes, but only if the feeling in Antrim is that Meath should be allowed to win the competition, both teams played to the scoreboard, etc etc. But of course, if the feeling is that the game was a draw and no one won (which is of course the truth but was not the atmosphere which existed in Croke Park immediately after the game), then of course they should turn up and contest it.

The GAA have made a monumental mess of this. It was a terrible mistake to begin with and it has been made even worse at every turn. I don't know if a replay is the right decision (and it clearly is to some people and clearly isn't to others), but it definitely should not be taking place so soon. Give it another month, or play it before and All-Ireland semi-final or wait till next year's league is finished... but not this Saturday.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1042 - 08/06/2016 09:14:37    1863383

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Replying To srgt_slaughter:  "your basically saying we knew all along the score was wrong and kept our mouths shut...our management asked the officals what was the correct score because it came down from tg4 that the score was wrong the ref said the scoreboard was correct and that tg4 was wrong..we played the game that was in front of us...if the ref knew after the game he made a score error why did it take so long..this should have been sorted within 5 minutes of full time. this ddidn't need 72 hours to make a decision. this is the gaa's fault both teams have been let down by the GAA. not fair on both sets of players but whoever does the stats for antrim should have said it right away"
Not at all. I don't know who knew what, when to be honest it doesn't matter . When it finally was found the game was a draw the Meath GAA and it's manager needs to accept that and act in a professional and sportsmanlike manner and get on with it .How the GAA handled is a separate matter and they put through the ringer for it. Like I said, if you want the cup you have got to earn it, no free lunch or hiding behind GAA bureaucracy etc...I made a connection to golf where a result is not official until a signed scorecard is turned in. The same should apply with a ref. after a game a signed scorecard makes it official, if he cannot come up with the final score he cannot sign a scorecard hence no cup ceremony.... until an official result is turned in.

murrax (Wexford) - Posts: 90 - 08/06/2016 09:17:33    1863386

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "Yes, but only if the feeling in Antrim is that Meath should be allowed to win the competition, both teams played to the scoreboard, etc etc. But of course, if the feeling is that the game was a draw and no one won (which is of course the truth but was not the atmosphere which existed in Croke Park immediately after the game), then of course they should turn up and contest it.

The GAA have made a monumental mess of this. It was a terrible mistake to begin with and it has been made even worse at every turn. I don't know if a replay is the right decision (and it clearly is to some people and clearly isn't to others), but it definitely should not be taking place so soon. Give it another month, or play it before and All-Ireland semi-final or wait till next year's league is finished... but not this Saturday."
That's the thing - personally at this stage I could not give a monkeys but at the same time I want to be mindful of the guys who have shown commitment to Antrim over the last few months - we have a situation in our County where we do not all pull the one way as far as the county hurling team is concerned but at the same time the guys who have pulled on the jersey and put it in deserve respect and as such I do not want to speak for them or even tell them how they should be feeling.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 08/06/2016 09:39:13    1863397

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "Yes, but only if the feeling in Antrim is that Meath should be allowed to win the competition, both teams played to the scoreboard, etc etc. But of course, if the feeling is that the game was a draw and no one won (which is of course the truth but was not the atmosphere which existed in Croke Park immediately after the game), then of course they should turn up and contest it.

The GAA have made a monumental mess of this. It was a terrible mistake to begin with and it has been made even worse at every turn. I don't know if a replay is the right decision (and it clearly is to some people and clearly isn't to others), but it definitely should not be taking place so soon. Give it another month, or play it before and All-Ireland semi-final or wait till next year's league is finished... but not this Saturday."
What?? No way. Replays are generally 1 week, sometimes we've even seen 6 days. Everyone knew there was an issue on Sunday, and that a replay was a possibility so it's a little more than 4 days notice. You can't expect teams to wait a month or even into August/next years league on one game. We're constantly giving out about length of time between games, there's no way we could make both teams wait that long. Lets be realistic here. It has been a shambles, but replays always come about quickly.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2407 - 08/06/2016 09:54:23    1863412

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your basically saying we knew all along the score was wrong and kept our mouths shut...our management asked the officals what was the correct score because it came down from tg4 that the score was wrong the ref said the scoreboard was correct and that tg4 was wrong..we played the game that was in front of us...if the ref knew after the game he made a score error why did it take so long..this should have been sorted within 5 minutes of full time. this ddidn't need 72 hours to make a decision. this is the gaa's fault both teams have been let down by the GAA. not fair on both sets of players but whoever does the stats for antrim should have said it right away

Antrim did report it before the game ended, as far as I know one of the management team and possibly the county secretary approached the linesman.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 08/06/2016 10:09:51    1863425

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Replying To murrax:  "Meath ripped off? They were credited a score they didn't get, Antrim got ripped off being denied a replay they rightfully earned. I think it is high time for the Meath manager to step up and set an example to his squad and to sport in general by saying the only way you win is by earning it, not by cheating, or getting help from a third party etc.
Maybe they should take a page from golf where a player will call a foul on themselves and the score isn't official until a signed scorecard is turned in."
Let's get one thing straight here, Meath did not win by cheating or help from a third party and we have never won anything in that way. Meath clarified the score with the match officials having heard concerns, they were told the score at the time was correct by the match officials so could that ever be conducive to either cheating or third party help. In the history of the GAA when your ahead on the scoreboard at the end you win, if we are so insecure that we have to hold off on presentations etc until everything is verified then we may forget about it. And for what it's worth I stand square behind Martin Ennis on his views and agree totally with his statement and look forward to the CCCC response regarding his concerns on Hawkeye

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 08/06/2016 10:11:16    1863426

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Replying To murrax:  "Meath ripped off? They were credited a score they didn't get, Antrim got ripped off being denied a replay they rightfully earned. I think it is high time for the Meath manager to step up and set an example to his squad and to sport in general by saying the only way you win is by earning it, not by cheating, or getting help from a third party etc.
Maybe they should take a page from golf where a player will call a foul on themselves and the score isn't official until a signed scorecard is turned in."
Let's get one thing straight here, Meath did not win by cheating or help from a third party and we have never won anything in that way. Meath clarified the score with the match officials having heard concerns, they were told the score at the time was correct by the match officials so could that ever be conducive to either cheating or third party help. In the history of the GAA when your ahead on the scoreboard at the end you win, if we are so insecure that we have to hold off on presentations etc until everything is verified then we may forget about it. And for what it's worth I stand square behind Martin Ennis on his views and agree totally with his statement and look forward to the CCCC response regarding his concerns on Hawkeye

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 08/06/2016 10:13:18    1863427

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SAturday 7pm Newry
End of story .

Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 08/06/2016 10:31:01    1863440

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Yes, but only if the feeling in Antrim is that Meath should be allowed to win the competition, both teams played to the scoreboard, etc etc. But of course, if the feeling is that the game was a draw and no one won (which is of course the truth but was not the atmosphere which existed in Croke Park immediately after the game), then of course they should turn up and contest it.


Tacaí i'll assume your intelligent enough to know sport doesn't work that way. A final, least of all a final that guarantees entry into Liam McCarthy next year, is not awarded to whoever deserved it more regardless of how hard done by they have. Lets be honest if Antrim are good enough to win the replay do you think this time next year they'll care about the rights and wrongs of how they got there.
It is also irrelevant how Antrim or Meath players felt after the game. What is relevant is that the match ended in a draw regardless of them playing to the clock as some have suggested.
If Meath management team asked the officials if the score was correct then that would suggest to me they knew it wasn't so why didn't they get the message onto the pitch that the score may have been wrong.
Likewise If Antrim selectors had got word on to the pitch to their players to say they knew it was wrong who's to say they weren't playing the clock at that stage.
The point im making is we'll probably never get to the bottom of who knew what and who didn't and there's been a lot of hypothesising since.
However, the indisputable fact is it ended in a draw and it should have went to extra time, it didn't, so the only logical thing the GAA could do then was force a replay.
The referee and his officials made a costly mistake which we all accept was a disaster for the Meath team as they probably deserved a victory based on their second half performance.
I also don't buy into this nonsense/kidology about Meath players being on the drink for 2 to 3 days after. Im quite sure the manager has told them to cut short their celebrations as they knew privately that a replay would be ordered.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 08/06/2016 10:32:59    1863442

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"Christy Ring Cup replay between @MeathGAA & @AontroimGAA is this Saturday, June 11th, Páirc Esler, Newry.C GAA harp on about catering for club players & then go organise Christy Ring replay for the weekend the Meath club SHC was fixed to start. Both sets of players may cancel the tickets to the states and try sober up before saturday

meath_ (Meath) - 07/06/2016 16:12:57

So the Meath Senior Hurling Championship was fixed for this weekend and yet you say the County Hurling players have supposedly holidays booked for the same weekend? Strange one that

IrelandUnited (Tyrone) - Posts: 77 - 08/06/2016 10:34:33    1863445

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I must say the one winner in all this will be TG4 now, I assume they will cover it live again.

As the interest sparked by the controversy is bound to boost their viewing figures.

Of course the GAA will also benefit with the extra revenue but lets not go there please!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 08/06/2016 10:37:51    1863449

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Yeah bumper heard last night that Antrim Management had twice throughout the game advised that the scoreline was incorrect but that they were brushed away. . If this is correct then to say Antrim were playing to the scoreboard and thought they lost couldn't be further from the truth as the Management knew that Meath had equalised and not gone ahead. And that kinda rubbishes all this 'sure Antrim thought they were beaten so let Meath keep it' bull that has been peddled here over the last few days. I had noticed in the aftermath someone on Hoganstand had made comment about the attitude of the Antrim manager in the interview after the game - I didn't see the interview myself but maybe this all makes sense now in that he knew what was going on and felt an injustice.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 08/06/2016 10:56:17    1863460

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Replying To bumpernut:  "Yes, but only if the feeling in Antrim is that Meath should be allowed to win the competition, both teams played to the scoreboard, etc etc. But of course, if the feeling is that the game was a draw and no one won (which is of course the truth but was not the atmosphere which existed in Croke Park immediately after the game), then of course they should turn up and contest it.


Tacaí i'll assume your intelligent enough to know sport doesn't work that way. A final, least of all a final that guarantees entry into Liam McCarthy next year, is not awarded to whoever deserved it more regardless of how hard done by they have. Lets be honest if Antrim are good enough to win the replay do you think this time next year they'll care about the rights and wrongs of how they got there.
It is also irrelevant how Antrim or Meath players felt after the game. What is relevant is that the match ended in a draw regardless of them playing to the clock as some have suggested.
If Meath management team asked the officials if the score was correct then that would suggest to me they knew it wasn't so why didn't they get the message onto the pitch that the score may have been wrong.
Likewise If Antrim selectors had got word on to the pitch to their players to say they knew it was wrong who's to say they weren't playing the clock at that stage.
The point im making is we'll probably never get to the bottom of who knew what and who didn't and there's been a lot of hypothesising since.
However, the indisputable fact is it ended in a draw and it should have went to extra time, it didn't, so the only logical thing the GAA could do then was force a replay.
The referee and his officials made a costly mistake which we all accept was a disaster for the Meath team as they probably deserved a victory based on their second half performance.
I also don't buy into this nonsense/kidology about Meath players being on the drink for 2 to 3 days after. Im quite sure the manager has told them to cut short their celebrations as they knew privately that a replay would be ordered."
The Meath management mentioned they had been told the score was wrong to the officials on the sideline and as of Monday night where they were still champions, the team were in coppers in Dublin.

Stop pointing the finger our way.

Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 631 - 08/06/2016 10:58:03    1863465

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Replying To Richieq:  "Let's get one thing straight here, Meath did not win by cheating or help from a third party and we have never won anything in that way. Meath clarified the score with the match officials having heard concerns, they were told the score at the time was correct by the match officials so could that ever be conducive to either cheating or third party help. In the history of the GAA when your ahead on the scoreboard at the end you win, if we are so insecure that we have to hold off on presentations etc until everything is verified then we may forget about it. And for what it's worth I stand square behind Martin Ennis on his views and agree totally with his statement and look forward to the CCCC response regarding his concerns on Hawkeye"
I completely understand Meath's frustration and anger over what has transpired. But it is the referee who is responsible for the score of a match not the scoreboard, what he has in his book stands - he admitted he made a mistake and that is that as they say. I know you wouldn't want to win a cup on a technicality, both teams have been hard done by. It is not as if the maths is that complicated.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 08/06/2016 11:10:42    1863477

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Lads this game won't go ahead.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 08/06/2016 11:26:02    1863485

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