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Meath vs Antrim

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "No, you are right that there is no certainty that Meath would have won extra time but they would have been more likely to win it in those circumstances, psychology plays a huge part in sport and Meath had the run on Antrim at that stage and were playing well. The point I was making is while it is unfair on Antrim to lose in this manner it is also unfair to take this away from Meath considering both teams played the last 10 minutes based on what the score board said. Antrim played to the scoreboard as can be seen that after the game they believed they had lost the match. All teams play the scoreboard, especially near the end of the match and in the same way as any refereeing decision/ player mistake does, the incorrect score had a direct bearing on how both teams approached the rest of the match. While you can say this is a tarnished win for Meath well if a replay is granted and Antrim win it it will also be a tarnished win for Antrim. The best solution to this exceptional circumstance is an exceptional solution, both Meath and Antrim playing in the Leinster Championship next year."
I can't understand why some are suggesting that both team compete in the Liam McCarthy next year. Neither team won the game or the right to promotion albeit because of human error. It has to be replayed.

Can any of the other teams in the CRC look to be promoted also?

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 07/06/2016 14:03:57    1862816

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While you can say this is a tarnished win for Meath well if a replay is granted and Antrim win it it will also be a tarnished win for Antrim.

If in this scenario there is some controversy then yes it would be tarnished. If it is a replay and we win without controversy why would it be tarnished? If the result stood as Meath being Champions then of course it is tarnished in that they didn't actually win.

The best solution to this exceptional circumstance is an exceptional solution, both Meath and Antrim playing in the Leinster Championship next year.

And I presume you just forgot to say that both names go on the trophy and it is shared for 6 months each. :-)

Jaysus lads - one thing I will say I have learnt over the last couple of days is that all these years I thought the saying was the Poor Me's but I am beginning to think it is the Poor Meaths by the way some of you are going on.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 07/06/2016 14:07:13    1862818

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Not trying to be a smart -arse but They are both effectively in the senior championship already , its just that the loser will also play Christy Ring ...So playing it next year might not be a bad idea as long as it is played before C Ring is started . But much better to play it on saturday week , get done with it .

Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 07/06/2016 14:36:37    1862833

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Replay it is, when and where TBC http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=256338

Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - Posts: 346 - 07/06/2016 14:48:25    1862848

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http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=256338

All questions answered

chriscart580 (Meath) - Posts: 376 - 07/06/2016 14:56:15    1862857

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CCCCCCCCCCCCCCC has ordered a reply.

Let the games begin

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 07/06/2016 14:58:11    1862862

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Replying To Finsceal:  "Not trying to be a smart -arse but They are both effectively in the senior championship already , its just that the loser will also play Christy Ring ...So playing it next year might not be a bad idea as long as it is played before C Ring is started . But much better to play it on saturday week , get done with it ."
No only the winners go up losers stay in Christy ring

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 07/06/2016 15:15:35    1862874

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so free entry to all the next day no doubt !!!!

GAA are a shambles... you can't give a thing and then take it back....... this should have all been cleared up before the presentation of the cup.

AthboyCelt (Meath) - Posts: 147 - 07/06/2016 15:22:48    1862882

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What a great way to promote hurling in Meath.

As soon as something goes right they're kicked back to where they came from.

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 07/06/2016 15:28:52    1862886

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I hate to say I told you's all but eh I told you's all.

100% the right call by the ABCCC

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 07/06/2016 15:30:01    1862887

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Replying To daytona11:  "I can't understand why some are suggesting that both team compete in the Liam McCarthy next year. Neither team won the game or the right to promotion albeit because of human error. It has to be replayed.

Can any of the other teams in the CRC look to be promoted also?"
When the scoring error was not sorted out when it happened both teams played on based on this. As I say both teams played to the score-board, Meath were coming back and Antrim were trying to hold Meath off based on how far they were ahead on the scoreboard. Then, as far as everyone was concerned Meath caught them and then scored the winning point late on. After the game Antrim players knew they lost. Antrim knew what they had to do for the last 10 minutes and they did not get through it. Meath knew what they needed to do and they did it. You ask can any of the other teams in the CRC look to be promoted also, maybe, if this score line can be reviewed long after the match has finished maybe others fixture scorelines can also. The above is to show things from Meath side if they have to play a replay and lose out on getting into Senior championship. You also make a valid point about from Antrim's point of view having being told of the scoring error after the game finished. That is why this is an exceptional circumstance. In an exceptional circumstance an exceptional solution is acceptable. Playing in senior championship would be a big achievement for Meath and could help get better treatment for the hurling team in Meath and aid their development. Losing out on Senior hurling could be a big blow for Antrim.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1359 - 07/06/2016 15:34:35    1862892

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A replay is the fairest outcome but it should have been dealt with a hell of a lot quicker. No reason why yesterday morning this decision could not have been reached once the error was realised and confirmed by the ref.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 07/06/2016 15:35:06    1862893

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Ok so it's a replay, but doesn't this beg the question as to why the Gaa didn't just order a replay of the 2010 Leinster final and why was it dumped on our doorstep?

In fairness this is another total shambles of a situation, amateurism at it's best, but now at least Antrim won't be screwed over and we'll get an opportunity to claim the title legitimately, which hopefully we will.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 07/06/2016 15:35:30    1862894

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Hard to see Meath gettinng up for this game after been handed the trophy and celebration over the weekend.Can we get hawkeye working this time and a different ref?

Complete shambles.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 07/06/2016 15:40:21    1862900

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I believe the man of the match is off to America this week and some of the Meath players have holidays booked.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 07/06/2016 15:44:20    1862906

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "While you can say this is a tarnished win for Meath well if a replay is granted and Antrim win it it will also be a tarnished win for Antrim.

If in this scenario there is some controversy then yes it would be tarnished. If it is a replay and we win without controversy why would it be tarnished? If the result stood as Meath being Champions then of course it is tarnished in that they didn't actually win.

The best solution to this exceptional circumstance is an exceptional solution, both Meath and Antrim playing in the Leinster Championship next year.

And I presume you just forgot to say that both names go on the trophy and it is shared for 6 months each. :-)

Jaysus lads - one thing I will say I have learnt over the last couple of days is that all these years I thought the saying was the Poor Me's but I am beginning to think it is the Poor Meaths by the way some of you are going on."
If Antrim win the replay I think it will be tarnished in their players eyes and from their memory of the game. Both teams played to the score-board, Meath were coming back and Antrim were trying to hold Meath off based on how far they were ahead on the scoreboard. Then, as far as Antrim were concerned Meath caught them and then scored the winning point late on and then played to contain Antrim at the games end. After the game Antrim players knew (in their minds) that they lost and failed to hold out against Meath. That is how I would remember that game if I was playing in it. But a replay it is and may the best team win the replay. Whatever happened it was going to be messy. I never thought Meath hurling would make the news like this, maybe the publicity will be good for them.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1359 - 07/06/2016 15:48:16    1862911

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "I thought the referee admitted this."
I don't think he said that.

Torcaill (Australia) - Posts: 204 - 07/06/2016 15:48:49    1862912

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The correct and only real viable decision here, but to allow a mere 3 & 1/2 day turn around for this is quite simply ludicrous.

Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 510 - 07/06/2016 16:00:51    1862924

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Awful situation.

There wasn't really an alternative to the replay once the ref said he got score wrong.

Feel bad for Meath who were the better team and they will find it difficult to get
their heads right.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 07/06/2016 16:03:20    1862926

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"Christy Ring Cup replay between @MeathGAA & @AontroimGAA is this Saturday, June 11th, Páirc Esler, Newry.C

GAA harp on about catering for club players & then go organise Christy Ring replay for the weekend the Meath club SHC was fixed to start. Both sets of players may cancel the tickets to the states and try sober up before saturday

meath_ (Meath) - Posts: 25 - 07/06/2016 16:12:57    1862935

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