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Meath vs Antrim

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Referee made a mistake which can be viewed as being unfair on Antrim but there was 10 minutes of playing time after this. This affected the remainder of the game as both Antrim and Meath played to the scoreboard. If a replay is offered to Antrim then it can be seen as unfair on Meath. At the end Meath were clearly playing to hold their lead at the end. Also had extra time being played Meath would have been favoured to win as they had all the momentum at that time after coming back in the game. People comparing to Clare-Offaly 98 but this a bit different in that after the mistake was made there was no time for Offaly to come back and the fact that it was a semi-final meant that the cup had not been presented. It is also a bit different to Meath-Louth 2010 as Louth had no time to recover also (I didn't celebrate Meath winning the Leinster title in 2010 as we didn't deserve it even if I can't say I was disappointed for Louth not getting a replay after hearing what happened to Sean Boylan in the stand)."
bdbuddah at the end Meath certainly were playing to hold onto their lead - there is no doubt about that as at approx 2 mins into injury time they had a player go down and stay down with the stoppage lasting almost a full minute yet the referee blew up almost bang on the 3 mins added on - while watching I felt that there should have been the opportunity for another play. But again the more we start digging into the ins and out the more messy the thing gets and as I said before it will be down to whether totalling awarded scores is seen as a greater problem that officiating in general. I have a feeling that it will all be brushed aside on the basis of mistakes are made during every game so hard luck.

As for the extra time certainty - come on surely you have seen enough sport at this stage to know that is not how it works.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 07/06/2016 11:43:04    1862704

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Replying To bumpernut:  "Ziggy your constant whinging about the 'point that never was' is becoming tiresome.
As I said in my earlier post and naysayer has just pointed out, at one stage particularly in the first half I wasn't sure the referee was able to point in Antrim's direction so we can all whinge about decisions he made during the game. That wont change the result though, no matter how many should have and could haves we come up with the fact of the matter is the game finished a draw and was incorrectly awarded to Meath.
They will have to replay it and im sure all those players in Meath and indeed Antrim who are supposed to be flying to the states can manage to put it off for another week or so."
Its more of the fact that why wasn't hawkeye in use? We all know if Tipp were playing Kilkenny it would be. It all gives off the attitude of "Ah sure its only Antrim v Meath in the Christy Ring",along with the complete hash they made of the score,the main reason why we have a problem is disrespect and disregard for the competition and the two counties.
Look the ref should have made sure he kept the score and not relied on a scoreboard that was constantly making errors and changing the score.The game was in Croke Park,no excuse for not having hawkeye.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 07/06/2016 11:44:20    1862706

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Replying To Richieq:  "So the GAA president now says that both teams cannot be promoted, sorry but that's a complete cop out, it they wanted to do it they could but once again the GAA top table is making a mockery of common sense. Secondly why does it taken 72 hours for those on the CCCC to meet, this was an incredibly important matter to deal with and a meeting within 24 hours should have been held, it's unacceptable to me that it takes this long. A replay? Meath checked the score with match officials with 8 minutes to go and were told the score was correct, they played the match accordingly as did Antrim who made no protest at the final whistle and their players believed they were beaten. I believe it would be wrong to put Meath into a replay after this length with celebrations etc haven taken place just as it would be wrong if the roles were reversed. The sensible option, and one which I believe would satisfy Antrim, is to promote both and to say that can't be done is making an embarrassing situation worse, this is not Meaths fault, it is not Antrims fault it's the GAA's problem and they must act fairly"
No its not considered to be important this is the whole point.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 07/06/2016 11:46:16    1862711

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A no win for both team's here really. You have to ask would Hawkeye have been out of order for a Liam McCarthy game?

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 07/06/2016 11:57:38    1862722

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'Meath checked the score with match officials with 8 minutes to go and were told the score was correct, they played the match accordingly as did Antrim who made no protest at the final whistle and their players believed they were beaten.'

I dunno about you Richie but when I played any match I found it hard to concentrate on keeping score as well as making sure my man didn't score. In the heat of the battle all the players will believe the scoreboard to be accurate,as it should be in a national final, so to somehow justify awarding the game to Meath on the basis of how the players reacted at the end is a nonsense argument im afraid

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 07/06/2016 12:02:48    1862727

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Replying To Naysayer:  "ziggy32001 no harm but we keep hearing about this point Meath should have had thrown into the case. I could count about a dozen incorrect decisions; there were stages Antrim were being hauled down and getting nothing while well in front and Meath were then being awarded similar frees from scoring positions up the other end - I felt it at the time but at the same time there was enough of a gap that the referee was maybe leaning a bit towards the side that were trailing by a decent amount though my the end my overriding emotion was that I was galled at Antrim managing to throw away a comfortable victory. I was at a game on Sunday afternoon and the home team shot from the angle and from my perspective I could clearly see that it went wide yet a few home supporters further along were genuinely convinced that the ball had went over the bar - and that was a football match - depending where you are at in a ground can impact on your view of incidents.

But I suppose that brings me back to what I posted earlier - is it more of a mistake to count up the awarded scores wrong than it is to award/not award other things during a game and I suppose this is where todays decision will hinge - I for one do not know.

This other chat about had the game gone to extra time Meath would have won is complete nonsense of the highest order - who can say what way the game would have went in extra time - maybe Antrim would have bucked up their ideas and found another gear, maybe Meath would have continued with the momentum they had in the second half - again who is to say?

What we have is a situation where the two teams, coaching staff and supporters who travelled to Croke Park on Saturday were badly let down by the match officials and by that I am not talking the referee, linesman and umpires but the whole thing from top to bottom in terms of anyone who had a hand in the balls up that unfolded."
agagreetotally we shouldnt be moaning about heaveys point that wwasn't awarded both counties let down by the gaa its a complete mess of it. How do you ask both sets of players to get their heads right to replay the game its not fair on both teams. i don't know what the end result will be but whatever they decided someone will be left outraged

srgt_slaughter (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 07/06/2016 12:03:03    1862728

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ziggy, hawkeye was in use for the earlier matches but developed an error I believe.

On what basis do you believe that the ref was relying on the score board or are you just assuming?

Torcaill (Australia) - Posts: 204 - 07/06/2016 12:11:27    1862734

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "
Replying To bumpernut:  "Ziggy your constant whinging about the 'point that never was' is becoming tiresome.
As I said in my earlier post and naysayer has just pointed out, at one stage particularly in the first half I wasn't sure the referee was able to point in Antrim's direction so we can all whinge about decisions he made during the game. That wont change the result though, no matter how many should have and could haves we come up with the fact of the matter is the game finished a draw and was incorrectly awarded to Meath.
They will have to replay it and im sure all those players in Meath and indeed Antrim who are supposed to be flying to the states can manage to put it off for another week or so."
Its more of the fact that why wasn't hawkeye in use? We all know if Tipp were playing Kilkenny it would be. It all gives off the attitude of "Ah sure its only Antrim v Meath in the Christy Ring",along with the complete hash they made of the score,the main reason why we have a problem is disrespect and disregard for the competition and the two counties.
Look the ref should have made sure he kept the score and not relied on a scoreboard that was constantly making errors and changing the score.The game was in Croke Park,no excuse for not having hawkeye."
Was it you Ziggy that scored this supposed point ? or a relation ?

Anyhow - cccc should fix a date for replay tonight ... Or was there a date planned for replay in case of a draw aet ?? Go with that . ..No excuses .. Meath will get absolutely no sympathy if they start yapping about a replay .. Go and play it and win it

Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 07/06/2016 12:24:09    1862747

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If players going away and club fixtures is an issue for a potential replay in the near future, could they not have it next year instead.

Have it in April after the league but before the Christy Ring and Leinster Round Robin start. Winners go into the round robin and losers go to the Christy Ring. Should suit both teams as they will be preparing for whichever competition they will be in anyway

Daragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 6 - 07/06/2016 12:28:16    1862750

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Replying To srgt_slaughter:  "agagreetotally we shouldnt be moaning about heaveys point that wwasn't awarded both counties let down by the gaa its a complete mess of it. How do you ask both sets of players to get their heads right to replay the game its not fair on both teams. i don't know what the end result will be but whatever they decided someone will be left outraged"
Its not moaning about the point that wasn't awarded as such.Its the fact that hawkeye was 'out of order',this shows the complete lack of respect for the two teams and the game itself.This wouldn't happen in the McCarthy Cup...

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 07/06/2016 12:34:31    1862755

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Replying To Torcaill:  "ziggy, hawkeye was in use for the earlier matches but developed an error I believe.

On what basis do you believe that the ref was relying on the score board or are you just assuming?"
I thought the referee admitted this.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 07/06/2016 12:36:28    1862758

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The game's over. The scoreboard showed a 1 point win for Meath. There is no appetite for a replay and many players wouldn't be available anyway. Antrim hurling is in the doldrums and an embarrassment. The reaction of some Meath people is a bit arrogant, dismissive and disingenuous. That's about it. Leave it be and move on.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 07/06/2016 12:37:38    1862759

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Replying To bumpernut:  "'Meath checked the score with match officials with 8 minutes to go and were told the score was correct, they played the match accordingly as did Antrim who made no protest at the final whistle and their players believed they were beaten.'

I dunno about you Richie but when I played any match I found it hard to concentrate on keeping score as well as making sure my man didn't score. In the heat of the battle all the players will believe the scoreboard to be accurate,as it should be in a national final, so to somehow justify awarding the game to Meath on the basis of how the players reacted at the end is a nonsense argument im afraid"
That's not the argument I'm making at all, and I don't want any game awarded to us at any point but I am damned if I am going to see my county kicked from pillar to post again over something that's not our fault, the only proper solution in my mind is to promote both teams and it is the only sensible solution, the GAA saying its not possible is rubbish, this is an exceptional circumstance of the GAA's making and therefore requires an exceptional solution. Antrim do not deserve to be denied a place in the Leinster Championship over this, Meath do not deserve to be denied a place in the Leinster Championship having been told the score was correct and playing accordingly. Of course players will know what the score is you hardly think Meath would have put the effort into the last 5 minutes if they were 20 points down do you? I can see what's beginning to happen here, friction between two counties who never before had friction and the GAA's heel dragging and heads in the sand attitude is the sole cause.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 07/06/2016 12:42:00    1862762

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "I thought the referee admitted this."
Clearly the ref depended on score board as he came up with same score

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 07/06/2016 13:09:06    1862775

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Gaa have ruled out both teams been promoted shame no common sense

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 07/06/2016 13:19:00    1862782

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Croke Park should order a replay, if this happened to Dublin, Kilkenny, Cork, Tipperary, Clare, Waterford, Galway there would be replay, headquarters showing lack of respect of the weaker counties if you ask me. It shouldn't be a simple ah the referee made a mistake but we have to move on. Dont referees and their team of officials get recompence in some shape or form ?

THE_SNAPPER (Louth) - Posts: 2019 - 07/06/2016 13:19:16    1862783

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If it were any other county other than Meath there would be no talk of a replay and a compromise solution would be found.

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 07/06/2016 13:26:25    1862788

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Sources have stated replay has been ordered

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 07/06/2016 13:30:08    1862789

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Bloody Meath, can't bring them anywhere. They are like the black sheep of the family in Leinster :):):)

They are our Tyrone, always up to their neck in it ......................even when it's not their fault:):):)

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 07/06/2016 13:31:44    1862793

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Replying To Naysayer:  "bdbuddah at the end Meath certainly were playing to hold onto their lead - there is no doubt about that as at approx 2 mins into injury time they had a player go down and stay down with the stoppage lasting almost a full minute yet the referee blew up almost bang on the 3 mins added on - while watching I felt that there should have been the opportunity for another play. But again the more we start digging into the ins and out the more messy the thing gets and as I said before it will be down to whether totalling awarded scores is seen as a greater problem that officiating in general. I have a feeling that it will all be brushed aside on the basis of mistakes are made during every game so hard luck.

As for the extra time certainty - come on surely you have seen enough sport at this stage to know that is not how it works."
No, you are right that there is no certainty that Meath would have won extra time but they would have been more likely to win it in those circumstances, psychology plays a huge part in sport and Meath had the run on Antrim at that stage and were playing well. The point I was making is while it is unfair on Antrim to lose in this manner it is also unfair to take this away from Meath considering both teams played the last 10 minutes based on what the score board said. Antrim played to the scoreboard as can be seen that after the game they believed they had lost the match. All teams play the scoreboard, especially near the end of the match and in the same way as any refereeing decision/ player mistake does, the incorrect score had a direct bearing on how both teams approached the rest of the match. While you can say this is a tarnished win for Meath well if a replay is granted and Antrim win it it will also be a tarnished win for Antrim. The best solution to this exceptional circumstance is an exceptional solution, both Meath and Antrim playing in the Leinster Championship next year.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1359 - 07/06/2016 13:39:54    1862803

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