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Replying To leitrim4sam: "I agree that Leinster should be on a home and away basis every year up to the semi and final stages where every game should be in choke park. For example if Dublin are drawn against Laois then play them in Crowe park when they are drawn again play them in portlaois and so on for every two counties like we do in Connacht (semi's and final exempt from this of course) but the real way to curb the dubs is not this way. Limit their unbelievable team sponsorship by imposing a limit on all county teams, what they get to spend on teams is extorsionate compared to others. Limit the amount of players each dub club can transfer in from the rest of the country. I'm a firm believer that the dub county team benefits from having a top quality club scene that so so many top players from other countries play in. How many of the dub players actually work compared to other counties? I mean work not some facade of pretending to work! It's not a level playing field - dub are spending millions a year on their teams and others simply can't afford to - distribute money equally to all teams and see the others match up to them" Nonsense. For years Kerry were utterly dominant because they had the better, more dedicated players and a management system that was ahead of the game. At present Dublin are on top for the same reasons. As for the talk of players transferring to Dublin clubs well I can only comment on my own club where 4 of our better players went to Dublin due to work opportunities and after initially commuting up and down they decided to transfer to Dublin clubs. If those clubs hadn't been willing to take them on they would have been lost to the game. It's a question of swings and roundabouts and it's ridiculous to criticise Dublin clubs for something our players are pushing for. ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 651 - 05/06/2016 13:50:32 1861768 Link
Replying To JayP: "Very little sense in that post. You say "transferring in" like the Dublin clubs are actively looking for country players. Lads are working in Dublin, so to save a commute they join a club. The counter argument is those lads are destroying Dublin club football as they are taking a starting place from a young local Dub. Mayo and Kerry spend just as much on preparation as the Dubs. Kilkenny do in the hurling. The finance issue is so overplayed on this site. Dublin happen to have an exceptional panel. It's cyclic. The size and structures of Dublin football need finance. Anybody who doesn't see that needs help." Well those outside players make the Dublin even stronger as they usually have inter-county experience so this benefits young players as they are playing with and against better stronger players and teams. Re:Mayo and Kerry expenditure. That statement isn't even remotely close to true and the numbers illustrate that. And when you bear in the fact that Mayo & Kerry face far bigger travel expenses for players & management than Dublin do so the disparity in terms of actual playing expenditure is even greater in reality. KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 05/06/2016 14:46:59 1861788 Link
Replying To leitrim4sam: "I agree that Leinster should be on a home and away basis every year up to the semi and final stages where every game should be in choke park. For example if Dublin are drawn against Laois then play them in Crowe park when they are drawn again play them in portlaois and so on for every two counties like we do in Connacht (semi's and final exempt from this of course) but the real way to curb the dubs is not this way. Limit their unbelievable team sponsorship by imposing a limit on all county teams, what they get to spend on teams is extorsionate compared to others. Limit the amount of players each dub club can transfer in from the rest of the country. I'm a firm believer that the dub county team benefits from having a top quality club scene that so so many top players from other countries play in. How many of the dub players actually work compared to other counties? I mean work not some facade of pretending to work! It's not a level playing field - dub are spending millions a year on their teams and others simply can't afford to - distribute money equally to all teams and see the others match up to them" Your post makes as much sense as your username unbelievable. So a young fellow from the west coast of Mayo gets a job in Dublin shouldn't be allowed play football where he works and lives. Kerry player's I can remember off the top of my head playing in Kildare Jack O Shea Pat Mc Carty Karl O Dywer.Dermot Early Roscomm So Colm O Rouke should never have been allowed play with Meath. Frank Cummins of Kilkenny played most of his club career with Blackrock in Cork Vinnny Murphy played club football in Kerry also repesented Kerry in Hurling. So all of the above according to your logic should never beallowed dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 05/06/2016 15:09:05 1861794 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "All well and good But going by the attitude of some numb skulls on this thread.. They are almost having a pop at Dublin fans for not filling the stadium themselves... Yeah well done Laois fans for making your stand, but I still have a whole lot more respect for the Laois fans that despite feeling aggrieved, showed up to support their players who happened to be in Nowlan Park." Yeah, there's a lot of anti-Dublin stuff on this site. I have to say I find it pretty boring at this stage. Regarding the Laois fans. I do think people need to make a stand at some point. It is unfortunate that Laois suffer by having less support but the GAA take liberties with fans. There's only one thing that gets listened to and that's their bottom line. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 05/06/2016 15:23:18 1861800 Link
Well that was a great day out, thoroughly enjoyed the ticking round Kilkenny before, mixing with the Kilkenny lids, the big shin dig up at the gaa ground. The ground was great, real old school, the atmosphere was brilliant - much better then a home game in Croker, in fact I think it got to the Loais players in the first 10 mins, which affected there slow start. The place was a bear pit of an atmosphere and sound, I felt for the Laois lads it defo go to them. After yesterday I would be inclined to bin Croker for our home games and build a 30k ground in the city, would destroy most teams and become iconic. As for the attendance, delighted many from Loais and Dublin didn't go, hope it hits the whingers hard in next years central funding allocation with a 5k-10k less then you would of got elsewise. Counter productive stuff really, but the itch I think will hurt the scratch for other counties. More away games please, which is unlikely to happen as most other counties funding probably depends on keeping the turn styles going with Dublin in Croke Park. Often feel we're the marginalised party here, we don't get the same opportunity as other counties to play away, which I think players and fans would welcome. Realistically where ever Dublin play they will be at home, we will always have more numbers at the game then any other county, so give us the same opportunity to play away as every other county, really is wrong. Can I just say I thought Loais were great yesterday, Kingson is a terrific footballer and they had some very good half back,s, I've seen higher profile teams heads drop against the Dubs, heads drop and just capitulate so well played Loais stuck to the task and never gave up the whole game. Loais tactically did very well, played open football, played blanket, played high balls and played counter at different stages yesterday - threw the kitchen sink at Dublin and the high score they got was a credit to them. Hope and think they will do well in the qualifiers. The Loais performence is significant, given what many have said about the Leinster championship this year. The worst thing for Dublin yesterday was to leave the ground yesterday having learned nothing , we certainly left with a hell of a lot to think about - so fair play to Loais. On Dublin a few points, the backline is weak, Davey Byrne put in another good performence, Jonny a Cooper badly exposed at full back and very far from the answer to Rory's replacement, Philly I thought was poor and has been since the earlier stages in the league. Dublin were badly exposed at times and better quality or more expierenced teams will really punish unles some player or system is devised. Also struggled with the high ball and over physicality at times, I'm worried about the backline. We are very far from unbeatable on that showing. Half back line was good, James McCarthy is playing like the player of the year for me. Small is steady and good in transition, he struggles I think for pace at times and isn't as physical as he should be given his size, he's no Jack but who is. Cian is just brilliant, has won three all irelands in three different positions he makes the whole system thick, moved from the sweeper role for a time during the second half and sdublin almost imploded conceding goals and points. In midfield seems like a dog fight, MDM was high energy, looks seriously fit and up for a fight with Denis for his spot. That's one to watch, Denis was a steadying influence when he came on and seems to get better every season, will be fun to watch. Brian Fenton, hard to believe this time last year he was barely on the panel. Rolls Royce of a footballer, spreading the play in transition, sublime movement, all over the pitch and probing all the time, one of the best I the country and still so underatted. Half forward line, Connoly - man of the match, looked like he's learned from his hooking in the league final. He was everywhere yesterday got through unbelievable defensive work and in attacking on that type of form, it's a privlage to watch him, on that form he's just one of the greats. Kilkenny is truly turning into a really special footballer and a brilliant play maker, playing like a hulk of an Alan Brogan every time I see him that discroption becomes more apt, Alan with a physical frame to hurt and defend. He and Connolly are afraid on no one. Flynn got injured In the warm up, Mannion came in. Another who has turned into a hulk in his year away. Sloppy and unambitious in pocession at times, but good fielding, penetration and makes the ball stick. Forward line, Maccer was energetic as ever looked like he was trying hard, but looked a little of the pace to me, wasn't the game for him, he struggles at times against a packed defence, we all know he will be sprung from the bench. Bernard was very quiet, but has nothing to prove. Rock played as if he's fighting for his shirt which he likely is, very clinical in his kicking from frees and played well from open play, looks as fit as ive seen and played very well., Prob best forward yesterday. Notable subs: Well what a reception O Gara got,, I'm sure he felt 15 feet tall and brilliant to see him back, caused havoc when he came on and defo be seeing more of the same as the year goes on, I was willing him for a point in the last 5 mins he was on. Well now I think people can see what those of us who watch underage are raving about, Con O'Callaghan came on and immediately made this level his home, got involved well, would have has a goal only to be fould for a peno to be awarded, brilliant point, clever movement, penetration, vision - a new star in born, other counties be afraid. Costello, did ok, just can't seem to spark to life and get a run of form together to be the player we know that's there from the U21s. Daren Daly, doesn't seem to have gotten much of a look in since him mare in the AI final 13 but didn't do much wrong for the short time he was on. we go again, Meath vs Louth should be interesting. On the showing of the backline yesterday though yesterday this Dublin team without Rory and Javk are from unbeatable. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 05/06/2016 18:41:19 1861874 Link
Connolly looked lean and extremely fit. He will have a serious Year & could end up FOTY. Dublins main concern is FB line I know they have had our number for the last few years but I think Geaney/JOD/Gooch could give those boys a headache... westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 05/06/2016 18:59:45 1861886 Link
Replying To KYTitletown: "Well those outside players make the Dublin even stronger as they usually have inter-county experience so this benefits young players as they are playing with and against better stronger players and teams. Re:Mayo and Kerry expenditure. That statement isn't even remotely close to true and the numbers illustrate that. And when you bear in the fact that Mayo & Kerry face far bigger travel expenses for players & management than Dublin do so the disparity in terms of actual playing expenditure is even greater in reality." What numbers are you talking about? Like I have done this numerous times to a certain poster that throws numbers up. If you dig deeper you find the top teams are spending relatively the same amount of cash. Dont get me started on travel expenses! I dont really read into your post, its generic. Its all big bad Dubs. If the money mattered so much why were Dublin beat comfortably by most of the better teams in the noughties? Same advantages...... Maybe Dublin happen to have better players than other teams. Shock horror. JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 06/06/2016 09:27:27 1862049 Link
Have to be honest Great to see that even Kerry lads are now playing the poor mouth card Excellent stuff.. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 06/06/2016 10:20:24 1862062 Link
How many of the dub players actually work compared to other counties? I mean work not some facade of pretending to work! Leitrimforsam, Can you clarify what you mean by that statement please? What does ones job status have to do with the game at three weekend or anything at all for that matter? Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 06/06/2016 10:49:22 1862074 Link
It's a wum post Dubsfan , I wouldnt waste energy on it. AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 06/06/2016 11:17:58 1862093 Link
Replying To JayP: "What numbers are you talking about? Like I have done this numerous times to a certain poster that throws numbers up. If you dig deeper you find the top teams are spending relatively the same amount of cash. Dont get me started on travel expenses! I dont really read into your post, its generic. Its all big bad Dubs. If the money mattered so much why were Dublin beat comfortably by most of the better teams in the noughties? Same advantages...... Maybe Dublin happen to have better players than other teams. Shock horror." http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/cost-of-running-county-teams-at-record-levels-34513426.html These figures are for 2015 last year and while Kerry's number is high in relation to the national average it pales in comparison to the Blue Juggernaut. And those figures for Kerry are totally unsustainable in the medium to long term as we haven't the capacity to attract numerous high-profile foreign sponsors to pay the bills, going abroad fundraising every year isn't a realistic scenario either. Albeit our minor team did well last year and I presume those figures cover that, it's important we don't sacrifice the future and avoid getting in a financial arms race we can't and won't win. And let's not discuss the Games Development and Irish Sports Council funding..... In fact looking at these figures in totality I think there should be a spending cap as it unfair to ask the players of Carlow + Wicklow players to compete when the financial field is so lopsided. It's no wonder players from traditional football counties are leaving the IC scene in droves as they know they haven't a hope long before a ball is kicked. Obviously due to our geographical and economic reasons our travel expenses will be higher than most so expenses like that should be accounted for in a expenditure cap situation but everything football related should be on a level-playing field. It's the least the likes of Carlow & Wicklow deserve otherwise the gap at the top and everywhere else will grow exponentially. KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 06/06/2016 13:56:27 1862223 Link
Replying To KYTitletown: "http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/cost-of-running-county-teams-at-record-levels-34513426.html These figures are for 2015 last year and while Kerry's number is high in relation to the national average it pales in comparison to the Blue Juggernaut. And those figures for Kerry are totally unsustainable in the medium to long term as we haven't the capacity to attract numerous high-profile foreign sponsors to pay the bills, going abroad fundraising every year isn't a realistic scenario either. Albeit our minor team did well last year and I presume those figures cover that, it's important we don't sacrifice the future and avoid getting in a financial arms race we can't and won't win. And let's not discuss the Games Development and Irish Sports Council funding..... In fact looking at these figures in totality I think there should be a spending cap as it unfair to ask the players of Carlow + Wicklow players to compete when the financial field is so lopsided. It's no wonder players from traditional football counties are leaving the IC scene in droves as they know they haven't a hope long before a ball is kicked. Obviously due to our geographical and economic reasons our travel expenses will be higher than most so expenses like that should be accounted for in a expenditure cap situation but everything football related should be on a level-playing field. It's the least the likes of Carlow & Wicklow deserve otherwise the gap at the top and everywhere else will grow exponentially." KyTitletown.... Because you seem like an intelligent guy, I'll not point out the flaws in that link. Amazingly they mention Cork and Dublin usually spend the most. I just wonder why that was. I seem to remember Dublins 21 footballers/Footballers/hurlers competing at the latter stages that year. Dublins recent successful step up to challenge the big teams at the small ball has cost a few quid. Let's just leave it at that as I'd only be writing another essay! JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 06/06/2016 21:37:02 1862495 Link
Sounded like more than 500-600 Laois fans at the game especially when they got their two goals...They reckon 1500 travelled which would be more realistic but living in Portlaoise I know watching the match up town that loads and loads stayed away and went up town in Portlaoise in their county colours to watch the game...Were they right ??Thats open to debate... I wonder if they had to have started with the blanket defence would they have troubled Dublin? starting 15-15 was pure suicide ! BigJohn.6_8 (Galway) - Posts: 704 - 08/06/2016 14:06:30 1863627 Link
Replying To leitrim4sam: "I agree that Leinster should be on a home and away basis every year up to the semi and final stages where every game should be in choke park. For example if Dublin are drawn against Laois then play them in Crowe park when they are drawn again play them in portlaois and so on for every two counties like we do in Connacht (semi's and final exempt from this of course) but the real way to curb the dubs is not this way. Limit their unbelievable team sponsorship by imposing a limit on all county teams, what they get to spend on teams is extorsionate compared to others. Limit the amount of players each dub club can transfer in from the rest of the country. I'm a firm believer that the dub county team benefits from having a top quality club scene that so so many top players from other countries play in. How many of the dub players actually work compared to other counties? I mean work not some facade of pretending to work! It's not a level playing field - dub are spending millions a year on their teams and others simply can't afford to - distribute money equally to all teams and see the others match up to them" How many of them work compared to other counties? Other than those that are still students, all of them do. But I'll let you see that for yourself: http://www.dublingaa.ie/teams/players/stephen-cluxton Any other questions? CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 08/06/2016 14:26:46 1863646 Link
Big John laois played at home in first round v Wicklow and was double header with louth v carlow Yet the overall attendance was only 4,500 for the day. apparently laois hadn't even the largest number out of that attendance and that was a game they were fancied to win so you hardly reckon they brought more numbers to a game they were supposedly boycotting and didn't believe they had much hope of winning hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 08/06/2016 15:45:33 1863700 Link
Replying To hill16no1man: "Big John laois played at home in first round v Wicklow and was double header with louth v carlow Yet the overall attendance was only 4,500 for the day. apparently laois hadn't even the largest number out of that attendance and that was a game they were fancied to win so you hardly reckon they brought more numbers to a game they were supposedly boycotting and didn't believe they had much hope of winning" Laois the last few years wouldn't had that big of a following for whatever reason, but I do know a lot of people who would have always went who were boycotting as a result of the game in Kilkenny. I think if it was in O'Moore Park there would be at least a few thousand Laois fans in attendance. Dublin will obviously always have the much larger support. Andy (Laois) - Posts: 371 - 08/06/2016 16:20:21 1863722 Link
Replying To hill16no1man: "Big John laois played at home in first round v Wicklow and was double header with louth v carlow Yet the overall attendance was only 4,500 for the day. apparently laois hadn't even the largest number out of that attendance and that was a game they were fancied to win so you hardly reckon they brought more numbers to a game they were supposedly boycotting and didn't believe they had much hope of winning" Thought that double header was in Carlow. cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 08/06/2016 16:30:35 1863729 Link
Replying To cuederocket: "Thought that double header was in Carlow." No was defo portlaoise hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 08/06/2016 16:54:44 1863745 Link
Replying To Andy: "Laois the last few years wouldn't had that big of a following for whatever reason, but I do know a lot of people who would have always went who were boycotting as a result of the game in Kilkenny. I think if it was in O'Moore Park there would be at least a few thousand Laois fans in attendance. Dublin will obviously always have the much larger support." Ah yeah I understand that but I don't think you would have got much more laois fans travelling regardless of the whole situation whoever they would play as they didn't turn out at home the first round to see them play Wicklow. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 08/06/2016 17:00:03 1863749 Link
Replying To hill16no1man: "No was defo portlaoise" Yea your correct.My mistake. cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 08/06/2016 17:00:16 1863750 Link