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Cavan vs Armagh

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Armagh is a small county so they really cannot afford to be missing any players. Off the top of my head I can think of 4 players who would walk on that team. Clarke, Aaron Kernan, Dyas and Carragher (I think his name is - the red haired Crossmaglen corner forward). It seems to be a very regimented setup with very little give or take if you believe everything that is said. And what was the story with the keeper? It reminded me of junior football where you'd hastily pick up a randomer to stand in goals on your way to the match. Questions would need to be asked of the management I think.

Cavan played well though and kicked some nice points. They have a nice range of options up front. Plenty of power with McKiernan and Givney. Great ball winners and carriers in Mackey and O'Reilly. Plus you have the craftiness of Johnson and young Brady. Bigger tests lie ahead but they look set for a decent year.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9136 - 30/05/2016 09:42:19    1859861

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It'll be interesting to see how much Cavan have learned from their league final defeat to Tyrone. If they learn from that experience then it wouldn't surprise me if they beat Tyrone. I would consider both teams to be on a similar level, Tyrone maybe a year ahead in terms of their development. Cavan were very impressive yesterday, but Armagh were very ordinary, a bit like Derry the week before. Cavan are starting to reap the rewards of their underage success, it wasn't so long ago they were the whipping boys in Ulster so it's great to have them back at a competitive level. Really looking forward to their semi-final with Tyrone, I've a feeling its gonna be a typically tight, cagey and low scoring match, but no doubt intriqing!

MourneArmy (Down) - Posts: 1787 - 30/05/2016 10:00:05    1859865

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Did not see the game yesterday as I was watching London v Mayo
But well done Cavan and would we have a chance of seeing a Cavan Monaghan Ulster final. Must be a long time since that happened.
I'd say the Ulster championship has been disappointing so far and Derry /Armagh seem to have gone back a lot. Was talking to a very knowledgeable man who would know Ulster football very well and in his opinion Monaghan / Donegal are still the two strongest football teams in Ulster Has his reservations about Tyrone.
But I think Cavan have a big ask to beat Tyrone--- they could indeed do it as semi finals can be those type of games that can be tight niggly affairs but Tyrone seem to me to be a bit ahead of most Ulster teams at the moment.
It's been a bad year for Armagh so far so I hope they get a run in the qualifiers
It's still open in Ulster but I'd narrow it down to Tyrone Donegal Monaghan and I don't think Down or Fermanagh can win their upcoming fixtures.
Looking forward to seeing Donegal make their appearance to see how they perform and their is very little talk about them at present and they should be fresher than most as they had a good while away from inter county action

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 30/05/2016 10:14:33    1859870

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Replying To MourneArmy:  "It'll be interesting to see how much Cavan have learned from their league final defeat to Tyrone. If they learn from that experience then it wouldn't surprise me if they beat Tyrone. I would consider both teams to be on a similar level, Tyrone maybe a year ahead in terms of their development. Cavan were very impressive yesterday, but Armagh were very ordinary, a bit like Derry the week before. Cavan are starting to reap the rewards of their underage success, it wasn't so long ago they were the whipping boys in Ulster so it's great to have them back at a competitive level. Really looking forward to their semi-final with Tyrone, I've a feeling its gonna be a typically tight, cagey and low scoring match, but no doubt intriqing!"
What leads you to believe that this will be a tight cagey affair?

Both teams have racked up huge scores so far this year and possess some deadly forwards so what makes you think that this will be low scoring?

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 30/05/2016 11:16:16    1859890

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The real reason Armagh lost was that their 'keeper' wasn't wearing gloves (when was the last time that has happened?) oh and it seemed like he was wearing his boots on the wrong feet!

sam2008 (Tyrone) - Posts: 797 - 30/05/2016 11:25:53    1859895

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Replying To cavanman47:  "A cake-walk? No, can't see it.

I think we're stronger all-round than Armagh, but it won't be anything like the league meeting where we ran out 17point winners. There'll be 3-4 points in it either way. It will tell a lot about this Cavan team and how they've progressed if they can avoid getting drawn into anything synical."
Cavanman it might be you or someone else from Cavan..at the start of the year I was fairly critical of Cavan's style but I will admit I was really impressed with them yesterday. They mixed it really well with running from deep and quick high ball into their full forward line.
Actually made me jealous of how Kerry should be using Donaghy instead of these long high routers into the air for Donaghy to catch hopefully.
I would add Cavan to the mix of winning Ulster

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 30/05/2016 13:06:56    1859938

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Good performance from Cavan who seem to benefitting from their years of U21 success.

There are now four real contenders in Ulster which is great to see.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 30/05/2016 13:08:20    1859939

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Replying To Wally:  "What leads you to believe that this will be a tight cagey affair?

Both teams have racked up huge scores so far this year and possess some deadly forwards so what makes you think that this will be low scoring?"
I think Cavan will have to adapt their game to counteract Tyrone's fast counterattack in order to have a chance of winning. They will certainly not want to be as defensively naive as Derry were, leaving forwards one on one with defenders. Car crash defending in the modern era. One way to counteract Tyrone's swift counterattacking style would be to sit deeper, defend in numbers and turn over at speed. If Cavan pack their defense the space that Tyrone were running into vs Derry will not exist. It's pretty simple really. The problem therein lies how Cavan will be able to rack up enough scores to win the game if they do play this way. But one things for sure, in my opinion, if Cavan don't adapt their game to counteract Tyrone's system, they will lose. That's how good it is.

MourneArmy (Down) - Posts: 1787 - 30/05/2016 14:41:14    1859971

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Armagh is a small county so they really cannot afford to be missing any players. Off the top of my head I can think of 4 players who would walk on that team. Clarke, Aaron Kernan, Dyas and Carragher (I think his name is - the red haired Crossmaglen corner forward). It seems to be a very regimented setup with very little give or take if you believe everything that is said. And what was the story with the keeper? It reminded me of junior football where you'd hastily pick up a randomer to stand in goals on your way to the match. Questions would need to be asked of the management I think.

Cavan played well though and kicked some nice points. They have a nice range of options up front. Plenty of power with McKiernan and Givney. Great ball winners and carriers in Mackey and O'Reilly. Plus you have the craftiness of Johnson and young Brady. Bigger tests lie ahead but they look set for a decent year."
You could also add Caolan Rafferty, Declan McKenna and Andrew Murnin. I also understand that Aidan Rushe and Oisin O'Neill of Cross opted to stay with club football this year.

Armaghball (Armagh) - Posts: 96 - 30/05/2016 14:59:16    1859982

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Cavan did well enough, but Armagh were in a pitiful state for a championship match. Everyone in Ulster bar Antrim would have taken them on that display.
In terms of prospects v Tyrone, yesterday would not fill me with optimism despite the apparent 'hammering'. Firstly, McVeety's goal was a total fluke, a bad crossfield kick from Mackey was misread by the Armagh defence who then stood watching as the chance was carved out. Not going to happen against Tyrone. Secondly, the run for the penalty was created because Ethan Rafferty, who was marking Moynagh for the kickout, was concussed. He went off a minute later. Third, Johnston scored 7 points off a very naïve defence. Cathal McCarron won't let that happen. Fourth, Gearoid Macs spell of 'catch and kick a point' came from poorly directed long kickouts- he drifted out of the game when Armagh went short. Finally we actually struggled badly at full back when Armagh did go long, and our half forwards were quite ponderous on the ball at times.

A lot to work on for Cavan but sure we'll give it a go anyway.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 30/05/2016 15:10:50    1859989

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For what it's worth I really didn't think armagh were as poor as many people are saying they were. Granted they went missing after the first 15 minutes for a while but they came back quite strongly in the second half and only for a poor penalty miss they would have been down by just three points with all the momentum. A lot of their problems stemmed from their shocking kickouts and McGeeney's team selection. All of this being said Cavan were the better team and I wish them well, thought it was actually a decent game by all accounts!

RoscoMan (Roscommon) - Posts: 80 - 30/05/2016 16:03:24    1860027

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