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Tyrone's tackling-is it legal?

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Booooooorrring

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 16/06/2016 10:46:23    1867572

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Replying To Superglue:  "it is crazy that referees are not aware of some of the rules. take for instance this rule which was blatantly ignored in the Cavan v Roscommon game last year denying Barry reilly a point from a sideline kick as good as any you could wish to see.

(ii) When a point is scored from outside the
small rectangle and the ball is sufficiently
high to be out of reach of all players, the
score shall be allowed even though an
attacking player may have been within the
small rectangle before the ball - provided
that the player in question does not
interfere with the defence.

ref dissallowed the point which sailed over the bar because of a square ball.

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s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts:4137 - 26/05/2016 10:49:46 1858765


Ref was right in that case. Old square ball rules apply from a dead ball situation e.g. sideline"
superglue I have just seen your reply to this and I believe you are wrong. read the rule again and if you still believe the ref made the correct decision then that is a sad indictment of our education system in this country.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 16/06/2016 11:01:40    1867582

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MadgeKing what's wrong with that tackle?

Rules clearly state that the tackle must be aimed at the ball. Sean is clearly going for the ball.

How else would you like to see a player dispossessed? Ask them nicely?

kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 16/06/2016 11:19:37    1867596

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "All the top teams play on the edge as regards tackling, not just Tyrone. However I do agree that a lot of this tackling is fouling & should be blown up by the refs. You see a lot of times the player on the ball being tackled by up to 3 opponents and hands going in from all directions making contact but no foul given.

By the way, can more than one man tackle an opponent at the same time? If so, would it be a good idea to make this illegal?"
Good post

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 16/06/2016 11:25:39    1867599

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "Nice photo of Sean Cavanagh executing the 'Tyrone chop tackle' on Cavan article..."
Sunday will be the last time the cameras are concentrated on cavan this year so enjoy it!

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 16/06/2016 11:29:33    1867601

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Replying To cuederocket:  "Goldrick,i have highlighted the the grey area regards the "tackle" in football many times over the years.It never surprises me to see one referee blow for a foul when another referee will let play go for the same tackle.In tight games you would be terrified of a bad/wrong call going against you.The tackle is far to open to referees own interpretation and you would be scratching your head trying to second guess many decisions in nearly every game."
To compound the issue, the frees are generally given against the weaker teams while the 'bigger' teams are rarely blown up for this type of tackling.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 16/06/2016 11:30:48    1867603

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "Nice photo of Sean Cavanagh executing the 'Tyrone chop tackle' on Cavan article..."
Sad, really sad

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 16/06/2016 12:01:55    1867626

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Since when do modern GAA teams/coaches give a toss about whether something is illegal or legal, or fair/unfair?
"At the end of the day,sure, like, its win at all costs ya know" or my favourite, "its a results business" (if thats the case why watch the game at all, just check the scoreline at the end of the game on teletext).
If Tyrone keep getting away with something thats illegal then let the GAA or the refs deal with it. If you let someone get away with something theyre going to continue to do it.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 16/06/2016 13:07:43    1867661

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How is illegal or legal for Tyrone when all other counties are doing the exact same thing?

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 16/06/2016 13:32:09    1867673

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Fair point. The post was directed at any team that engages in cynicism (all counties in other words). Its just that the thread deals specifically with Tyrone.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 16/06/2016 15:05:46    1867705

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "Nice photo of Sean Cavanagh executing the 'Tyrone chop tackle' on Cavan article..."
I would have thought Peter Donnelly have that tackling in his time as Cavan coach?

Another note hopefully cop on to the the Cavanagh brothers diving antics. Go to ground too easily rolling around

CurranCake1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 130 - 16/06/2016 15:09:51    1867707

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Replying To CurranCake1:  "I would have thought Peter Donnelly have that tackling in his time as Cavan coach?

Another note hopefully cop on to the the Cavanagh brothers diving antics. Go to ground too easily rolling around"
Agree with the Cavanaghs diving but I'd also say it'd something all big men playing inter county GAA do.

When I watch Monaghan sometimes I'm shocked at the lower half strength of Conor McManus and how hard he seems to be to knock over, I find that's when he's driving towards the goal.

I also find myself shocked at how easily he can go down when challenged if the balls further out the field but still in "kickable free" range

It's a reffing problem though, they don't judge fouls based on challenges they base them on whether the guy hits the ground, we've all seen fouls not be given because the player rode the tackle, you can't ask the player not to take a kickable free because he's a bit bigger if refs gave them based on fouls the diving wouldn't happen

Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 16/06/2016 16:21:56    1867746

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "It is up to refs to blow whistle and Tyrone blew Derry away to be honest. However, the ref. was easier on Tyrone and maybe was a little scared of the Tyrone line. Similar situation in the hurling recently when Clare bet Waterford, ref. scared of Davy Fitz for sure."
Codswallop

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 16/06/2016 16:56:15    1867766

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "This is not a question about swarm defence, which is within the rules for sure. But watching the matches against Derry and ourselves recently, it is remarkable how many times Tyrone players seem to strip the ball from an opponents grasp. It is achieved more often than not by striking down on the arm/hand of the opponent on the run with a closed fist. Referees don't seem to react at all but surely it can't be legal? Sometimes they land on the ribcage if well timed."
I think you are hoping the ref reads this forum. Ridiculous post aiming it at Tyrone.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 16/06/2016 16:57:39    1867768

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Everyone here commenting on how tyrone are fouling but give absolutely no examples of how to tackle fairly. The reason is because it can't be achieved...you can not remove the ball from a player without some sort of physical contact.

No comments seem to be made about high tackles around the neck or pulling back of players which I have seen far more happen over the last year.

kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 16/06/2016 18:09:09    1867816

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All counties use the so-called swarm tackle now so I don't see why anyone should point the finger at Tyrone. However it is extremely rare that such a tackle is carried out without several players pulling, dragging or slapping the player in possession. In a one-on-one situation, if a player pulls or lays a hand on the player with the ball, the ref will blow for a foul. Why does not happen the player who finds himself being manhandled by a group of opponents or have the rules been amended to allow this.
Diving is sadly also becoming commonplace in the game and is very frustrating and unsporting. Most times it leads to an opponent being booked even though he is totally innocent. A number of players, from various teams,k are noted for this kind of behaviour yet referees seem oblivious to the fact.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 16/06/2016 19:29:15    1867848

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Replying To Seansy48:  "Agree with the Cavanaghs diving but I'd also say it'd something all big men playing inter county GAA do.

When I watch Monaghan sometimes I'm shocked at the lower half strength of Conor McManus and how hard he seems to be to knock over, I find that's when he's driving towards the goal.

I also find myself shocked at how easily he can go down when challenged if the balls further out the field but still in "kickable free" range

It's a reffing problem though, they don't judge fouls based on challenges they base them on whether the guy hits the ground, we've all seen fouls not be given because the player rode the tackle, you can't ask the player not to take a kickable free because he's a bit bigger if refs gave them based on fouls the diving wouldn't happen"
Agree mcmanus is expert in maufacturing frees

CurranCake1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 130 - 16/06/2016 23:26:17    1867976

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