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Tyrone's tackling-is it legal?

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Wasn't it a Tyrone player who took a bite out of the Apple in the Garden of Eden which led to the original sin? It was apparently also a Tyrone player who denied 3 times that he knew Jesus. Tyrone players were also allegedly seen shipping boat loads of grain, wheat, barley, cattle, pigs and sheep out of Ireland in the years 1845 - 1849."
Twas Roscommon folk that stole the sheep.Cant argue with the rest.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 25/05/2016 11:31:24    1858410

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Sighhhh!!

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 25/05/2016 12:04:06    1858438

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Wasn't it a Tyrone player who took a bite out of the Apple in the Garden of Eden which led to the original sin? It was apparently also a Tyrone player who denied 3 times that he knew Jesus. Tyrone players were also allegedly seen shipping boat loads of grain, wheat, barley, cattle, pigs and sheep out of Ireland in the years 1845 - 1849."
...and sure wasn't the entire Tyrone half back line spotted in Sarajevo in 1914 the day Franz Ferdinand was shot?!

I'm looking forward to the day we can finally prove Mickey Harte faked the moon landings aswell.

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 25/05/2016 12:52:23    1858459

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I think the "half-foul" is the one to watch out for. We became masters of this under McGuinness. One man has a wee jersey pull or a slight slap to tempt the ref, but not enough to give the foul. It is enough to disrupt the ball carrier's momentum. Meanwhile another man or two, come in to legally dispossess the player when he is vulnerable from the first contact."
I would call that clever.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/05/2016 13:06:32    1858470

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give over would ye next you will be saying Kilkenny should be playing without hurls

redbomb (Tyrone) - Posts: 167 - 25/05/2016 13:19:56    1858476

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Ok, so it would seem then that most posters think that the rules of the game should not be implemented. well it's easy to see now why referees get away with it then if no one is bothered by the rules. I don't know any other sport where a set of rules are drawn up and then not adhered to by either the players or officials plus the supporters think that's fine too. It would be interesting tosee what teams would come out on top if the games were played by the rules.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 25/05/2016 14:11:12    1858506

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Replying To s goldrick:  "Ok, so it would seem then that most posters think that the rules of the game should not be implemented. well it's easy to see now why referees get away with it then if no one is bothered by the rules. I don't know any other sport where a set of rules are drawn up and then not adhered to by either the players or officials plus the supporters think that's fine too. It would be interesting tosee what teams would come out on top if the games were played by the rules."
Goldrick,i have highlighted the the grey area regards the "tackle" in football many times over the years.It never surprises me to see one referee blow for a foul when another referee will let play go for the same tackle.In tight games you would be terrified of a bad/wrong call going against you.The tackle is far to open to referees own interpretation and you would be scratching your head trying to second guess many decisions in nearly every game.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 25/05/2016 14:37:58    1858523

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it is crazy that referees are not aware of some of the rules. take for instance this rule which was blatantly ignored in the Cavan v Roscommon game last year denying Barry reilly a point from a sideline kick as good as any you could wish to see.

(ii) When a point is scored from outside the
small rectangle and the ball is sufficiently
high to be out of reach of all players, the
score shall be allowed even though an
attacking player may have been within the
small rectangle before the ball - provided
that the player in question does not
interfere with the defence.

ref dissallowed the point which sailed over the bar because of a square ball.

in the same game The ref red-carded Thomas Corr after half-time for a foul he commited approx 1 minutes before half-time whistle
in the meantime a free-in had been kicked by cavan and a kickout taken by Roscommon then the half-time whistle goes and players go off the field. Corr is injured and substituted . but is called off the bench at the start of the second half and red-carded. I mean how ridiculous is that, what if the lad had to go to hospital, what would the ref had done then. ?

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 26/05/2016 10:49:46    1858765

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Replying To s goldrick:  "it is crazy that referees are not aware of some of the rules. take for instance this rule which was blatantly ignored in the Cavan v Roscommon game last year denying Barry reilly a point from a sideline kick as good as any you could wish to see.

(ii) When a point is scored from outside the
small rectangle and the ball is sufficiently
high to be out of reach of all players, the
score shall be allowed even though an
attacking player may have been within the
small rectangle before the ball - provided
that the player in question does not
interfere with the defence.

ref dissallowed the point which sailed over the bar because of a square ball.

in the same game The ref red-carded Thomas Corr after half-time for a foul he commited approx 1 minutes before half-time whistle
in the meantime a free-in had been kicked by cavan and a kickout taken by Roscommon then the half-time whistle goes and players go off the field. Corr is injured and substituted . but is called off the bench at the start of the second half and red-carded. I mean how ridiculous is that, what if the lad had to go to hospital, what would the ref had done then. ?"
A referee has the power to give a card during half time or after the game.

manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 541 - 26/05/2016 11:09:23    1858782

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "I would call that clever."
But then surely a dive is just being clever too? At what point does it become dishonest is the question.

On donegal, they were outstanding at it under mcguinness. They had it down so well you nearly had to admire how good they were at it. I cant help but laugh when I hear people talking about mayo in the 2012 semi, when effectively they were fouling guys in front of the posts and getting cards to beat the band! We were like an Opel Corsa compared to Donegal's Rolls Royce!

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 26/05/2016 12:32:43    1858852

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I always thought that fella with the ball has definitely been fouled before he over carries or loses posession, where swarm tackling is involved. I agree with a previous poster that the swarm is a skill and a sign of a well drilled team.
We could do with taking a leaf out of Tyrone's book.
Our attempt at tackling in the first half of the league final was cat.

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 26/05/2016 15:06:10    1858935

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Replying To manfromdelmonte:  "
Replying To s goldrick:  "it is crazy that referees are not aware of some of the rules. take for instance this rule which was blatantly ignored in the Cavan v Roscommon game last year denying Barry reilly a point from a sideline kick as good as any you could wish to see.

(ii) When a point is scored from outside the
small rectangle and the ball is sufficiently
high to be out of reach of all players, the
score shall be allowed even though an
attacking player may have been within the
small rectangle before the ball - provided
that the player in question does not
interfere with the defence.

ref dissallowed the point which sailed over the bar because of a square ball.

in the same game The ref red-carded Thomas Corr after half-time for a foul he commited approx 1 minutes before half-time whistle
in the meantime a free-in had been kicked by cavan and a kickout taken by Roscommon then the half-time whistle goes and players go off the field. Corr is injured and substituted . but is called off the bench at the start of the second half and red-carded. I mean how ridiculous is that, what if the lad had to go to hospital, what would the ref had done then. ?"
A referee has the power to give a card during half time or after the game."
yes but if he didn't see the incident and played on for a full minute afterwards (and remember there were 2 breaks in play) and allowed all the players to leave the field How or why did he then decide that he had to red-card him. That is the question. are refs allowed to look at videos of the game at half-time and retrospectively issue cards.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 26/05/2016 16:01:51    1858985

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They play on the edge

All top teams do

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 26/05/2016 16:11:37    1858987

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All the top teams play on the edge as regards tackling, not just Tyrone. However I do agree that a lot of this tackling is fouling & should be blown up by the refs. You see a lot of times the player on the ball being tackled by up to 3 opponents and hands going in from all directions making contact but no foul given.

By the way, can more than one man tackle an opponent at the same time? If so, would it be a good idea to make this illegal?

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 26/05/2016 16:27:09    1858994

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Replying To s goldrick:  "
Replying To manfromdelmonte:  "[quote=s goldrick:  "it is crazy that referees are not aware of some of the rules. take for instance this rule which was blatantly ignored in the Cavan v Roscommon game last year denying Barry reilly a point from a sideline kick as good as any you could wish to see.

(ii) When a point is scored from outside the
small rectangle and the ball is sufficiently
high to be out of reach of all players, the
score shall be allowed even though an
attacking player may have been within the
small rectangle before the ball - provided
that the player in question does not
interfere with the defence.

ref dissallowed the point which sailed over the bar because of a square ball.

in the same game The ref red-carded Thomas Corr after half-time for a foul he commited approx 1 minutes before half-time whistle
in the meantime a free-in had been kicked by cavan and a kickout taken by Roscommon then the half-time whistle goes and players go off the field. Corr is injured and substituted . but is called off the bench at the start of the second half and red-carded. I mean how ridiculous is that, what if the lad had to go to hospital, what would the ref had done then. ?"
A referee has the power to give a card during half time or after the game."
yes but if he didn't see the incident and played on for a full minute afterwards (and remember there were 2 breaks in play) and allowed all the players to leave the field How or why did he then decide that he had to red-card him. That is the question. are refs allowed to look at videos of the game at half-time and retrospectively issue cards."]A referee doesnt have to see an incident to give out cards. Once he is made aware of an infraction, in this case at half time, he gives the card at the next opportunity. The ref can give cards out before, during and after games.

donegaldouble (Donegal) - Posts: 310 - 26/05/2016 16:40:11    1859003

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Everything Tyrone did in Sunday's game will be looked at, analysed, and mimicked or exploited. If they're doing something new in the tackle (don't believe so), and refs are happy with it, then they won't be the only ones. It's a physical game after all.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 26/05/2016 18:48:31    1859077

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it is crazy that referees are not aware of some of the rules. take for instance this rule which was blatantly ignored in the Cavan v Roscommon game last year denying Barry reilly a point from a sideline kick as good as any you could wish to see.

(ii) When a point is scored from outside the
small rectangle and the ball is sufficiently
high to be out of reach of all players, the
score shall be allowed even though an
attacking player may have been within the
small rectangle before the ball - provided
that the player in question does not
interfere with the defence.

ref dissallowed the point which sailed over the bar because of a square ball.

i

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts:4137 - 26/05/2016 10:49:46 1858765


Ref was right in that case. Old square ball rules apply from a dead ball situation e.g. sideline

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 27/05/2016 09:41:52    1859205

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Replying To redbomb:  "give over would ye next you will be saying Kilkenny should be playing without hurls"
Funny you should mention Kilkenny, this thread reminds me of the stuff they used to say about then, tut-tutting the use of 'dark-arts' etc., all conveniently forgotten and everything rosy again when once in a while some team comes along and flakes the sh*te of Kilkenny and beats them at their own game. Take it as a compliment.

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 27/05/2016 10:01:25    1859210

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It didn't take too long - championship has just started - Tyrone play really well and win without all the rubbish they seem to get accused of year on year - things that other teams do without the same sort of condemnation and the daggers are out already. The only thing I can put this down to is jealousy from other counties (Down, Cavan, Fermanagh et al) - what else can it be? The Cavan fan who posted it should wait until Monday to see if there is anything else he would like to share following their game with Armagh. I'd say it will be a borefest with negative and cynical play. Get over it man and worry about your own team.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 27/05/2016 10:27:05    1859220

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Nice photo of Sean Cavanagh executing the 'Tyrone chop tackle' on Cavan article...

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 16/06/2016 10:27:27    1867562

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