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Galway vs Mayo Hard Battle

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Replying To TheMaster:  "AithCliath, i dont prescribe to this thing of throwing the change of management in their faces. The reality is they as a group wanted a change. They felt what was going on wasnt good enough. As men, i accept that they were acting in what they believed to be the best for the group. That is fair enough with me, they know better than anyone at the end of the day and if the whole lot of them decide that then it is good enough for me. So no, even if they never win another connacht, id still accept their decision on that front, because it simply must have been bad for them to go that far."
Here here! There no possible way that the Mayo players can or should take any responsibility for yesterday's disaster. Whoever is at fault it's definitely not the players. Word on the street is they can't score if they haven't the ball and nobody would give the the ball. So how can it be their fault??

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 19/06/2016 10:54:37    1868752

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Congratulation to Galway on a great win for them!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 19/06/2016 10:56:53    1868754

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Congratulations to Galway, they were brilliantly set up tactically last night, forcing Mayo to shoot from distance. Galway were far more tigerish in the tackle and took their scores when they came.

However, it must be said that Mayo were abysmal. Apart from Colm Boyle, I struggle to think of any of the established players who showed any stomach for the battle. Can't understand why Clarke isn't starting in goals. Evan Reagan also got a reminder that league and championship are two different beasts, being repeatedly held up or turned over in the tackle.

Hard to know what will happen now, there will probably be some dangerous teams in the qualifiers.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 19/06/2016 11:11:40    1868765

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Athcliath, just a couple of points in response... one factor which I believe fed into the move against last year's management was the fear that there wasn't enough separation between the two lads (both good football men) and the county board. When hard decisions (mainly financial) need to made the team management need to be totally biased in favour of what's best for the panel. I don't know if the players witnessed situations where this didn't happen or just felt uneasy that compromises would too easily entered into. As regards the players yesterday and over the last couple of years, there's a perception that some may have hard time taking the game plan too seriously. Either that or the game plan is poorly developed/understood. One thing I did fear before yesterday, was that Mayo were going to be a long way off preps wise, while Galway would hit a peak. Mayo will stick to their plan in that regard, and should be in a better position for their first qualifier. It seems Jimbo hankers after the old one defeat and you're gone system. Didn't realise you were such a Luddite Jim...

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 19/06/2016 11:12:49    1868766

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Couple of handy wins and just watch the hype :)

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 19/06/2016 11:14:07    1868767

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The Master the rule if ever brought in counts for every county.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 19/06/2016 11:35:01    1868776

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I must say this , the peformances of the players yesterday was lovely , now this is when people say I'm looking to stir again , i'm not ,I didn't stir anytime , if the training and development gets a good bit better they are for definite all Ireland contenders and for certain all Ireland winners in the space of 4 years. Now don't get me wrong there is work needed , the forwards are class and will be top class soon , the midfield was very smart and class they will be better . the backs were the best the half backs were showing mayo how to play real football , and the full backs were the best full back line I have seen in years and years and they are all young and debutants . The debutants were one of the reasons they won and when some minors come to senior I will be happy to see a change of all Ireland contenders , Kerry, Dublin, Donegal , Monaghan , Mayo will all be set for change For Galway , Rosscommon , Tyrone , Cavan , Tipperary will be the teams to watch in the near future .

oakleafersir (Derry) - Posts: 808 - 19/06/2016 11:41:06    1868778

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Winning is more important then ever with a team like Mayo in the qualifiers no one will want to draw them. I said a few names awhile ago that weren't good enough for Mayo and was told they had great games 4 years ago and stuff but these same players in the big games when you really need them go missing all the time. To not play Diarmud O Conor the best thing to come out of Mayo in years was a disgrace he had a hamstring injury yet he came on , he is the man Mayo need more than anyone else.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 19/06/2016 11:47:59    1868782

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Replying To Pericles:  "Athcliath, just a couple of points in response... one factor which I believe fed into the move against last year's management was the fear that there wasn't enough separation between the two lads (both good football men) and the county board. When hard decisions (mainly financial) need to made the team management need to be totally biased in favour of what's best for the panel. I don't know if the players witnessed situations where this didn't happen or just felt uneasy that compromises would too easily entered into. As regards the players yesterday and over the last couple of years, there's a perception that some may have hard time taking the game plan too seriously. Either that or the game plan is poorly developed/understood. One thing I did fear before yesterday, was that Mayo were going to be a long way off preps wise, while Galway would hit a peak. Mayo will stick to their plan in that regard, and should be in a better position for their first qualifier. It seems Jimbo hankers after the old one defeat and you're gone system. Didn't realise you were such a Luddite Jim..."
I think the back door has ruined the provincial championships if I'm honest

Every game was important and that could be seen in far greater scale on the pitch and in the stands...

The back door with a 6 day turn around... a joke really.

Just how I see it.. Dublin winning a championship through the back door wouldn't be the same for me.

I'm from the late 80's, 90's Dublin support where winning Leinster was huge, winning Sam knowing we had lost to Meath/Kildare... Not for me...

Tainted. Simple as that.

You can't be All Ireland champs without winning your own province... the back door has diluted that once great accolade.

3/4 All Ireland Champions.. No thanks

It should be reserved for teams that go unbeaten, the ultimate recognition.

Like in the rugby, you can win a "Grand slam" it's the ultimate goal, if you lose a game you can still compete for a championship, but it's not as noteworthy as being GS Champions.

The term All Ireland Champions should be reserved for an unbeaten team, true champions of All... and for me anyway...

Mayo are now out of that race.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 19/06/2016 11:48:23    1868783

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Replying To TheMaster:  "O'connor's shot selection was terrible. If they arent going for you, do what is best for the team and work it to a team mate or win a free. I dont agree with giving him a pass just because he kept showing, when in fact he also kept shooting from crazy places.

I disagree that this isnt the time to be critical. They need a wake up call. As someone stated, why would they need a wake up call when they havent won anything. Id wonder the same myself, yet they clearly do.
It must be said, not all are guilty. Boyle was brilliant. Harrison made some good interceptions too. That just makes you mad though. Some guys are as honest as the day is long, yet others seem to be only playing for themselves alongside them."
That's well and good but everyone was kicking wides, and I didn't see A O Se or Doherty offering themselves as a shooter. Yes COC made poor decisions, but i'm sure he won't have a day like that again.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 19/06/2016 11:53:35    1868785

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Great result for the championship. Monaghan or donegal will join cork and mayo in the back door next weekend. I hope some of those teams draw each other, as it would fairly open up the last 8 for a new team to emerge. (lets not rule out Tyrone today either).

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 19/06/2016 11:57:46    1868790

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Replying To TheMaster:  "O'connor's shot selection was terrible. If they arent going for you, do what is best for the team and work it to a team mate or win a free. I dont agree with giving him a pass just because he kept showing, when in fact he also kept shooting from crazy places.

I disagree that this isnt the time to be critical. They need a wake up call. As someone stated, why would they need a wake up call when they havent won anything. Id wonder the same myself, yet they clearly do.
It must be said, not all are guilty. Boyle was brilliant. Harrison made some good interceptions too. That just makes you mad though. Some guys are as honest as the day is long, yet others seem to be only playing for themselves alongside them."
That's well and good but everyone was kicking wides, and I didn't see A O Se or Doherty offering themselves as a shooter. Yes COC made poor decisions, but i'm sure he won't have a day like that again.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 19/06/2016 12:05:24    1868795

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Whether the Mayo players and their fans like it or not, the way in which their previous management was removed will always come back to be used against them every time they play badly or lose like they did yesterday. I don't accept this excuse that the players knew better and what was good for the team. People are giving the players too much credit in this respect. The assumption there is because the players are involved they know better. That's far too general an assumption. If the players know better then why is a management team even there?
At the same time, can anyone really write Mayo off on the back of that one match? They'll beat most teams in the qualifiers handily enough, a reality check early in the championship is no bad thing. They have plenty of time to regroup and use the qualifiers to get some form back.

But most importantly, what a result for Galway. If that doesn't get them a bit of confidence for the rest of the championship then I don't know what will. Some massive performances from their players and most importantly, credit to the manager Kevin Walsh for the way in which that team was prepared. Although Galway wouldn't be as drilled in tactics as most of the other contenders, Walsh wasn't tactically naive. The team was ready and willing to put their bodies on the line for that one. Mentally, the heads didn't drop and physically they were able to go the distance this time. Previously, Mayo have beaten Galway down to their physicality and their fitness outlasting what Galway could bring to the table.

I hope those lads that gave up the chance to trial with this Galway panel gave up the chance for the right reasons and not because they just couldn't be bothered. This could be the start of a great summer for Galway football

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 19/06/2016 12:26:23    1868800

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well done galway and well done mystic meg

liner (Mayo) - Posts: 756 - 19/06/2016 12:35:01    1868802

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After the League hammering to Dublin in 2015 I lost faith in Holmes and Connelly and thought they should go at the end of the season if they didn't win Sam, they didn't win and left the job. Now even the dog in the street has heard rumours of what happened at the end of last year but for those who haven't this is what we heard, the Mayo players were happy with last years management then a short break and returned back with a change of mind, they wanted the management out and Horan to be put back in charge, Horan indicated to the media that he didn't want the job back and some players said they wouldn't play for Mayo if McStay and McHale got the job. It is the managements job to manage the team and the captain to keep control of his team mates , every other player has no say in any matter, they can encourage their team mates to improve on the pitch but to dictate to others who should be manager or how to play and pass the ball to me is a big no no. If the media stopped hyping up certain players their heads might stop swelling up and believing they are better than they actually are

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 19/06/2016 12:46:50    1868806

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If the Dubs keep focused on just Meath and we come through it, I've a feeling we could get Mayo in quarters.
Your on our side of the draw lads .

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 19/06/2016 12:59:35    1868812

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Congratulations Galway on a terrific win last night. So much for player power in Mayo, bet the ousted management team are feeling vindicated!

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1747 - 19/06/2016 13:42:21    1868820

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riverboy...... If the media stopped hyping up certain players their heads might stop swelling up and believing they are better than they actually are
Think I know the pair you are on about!!

liner (Mayo) - Posts: 756 - 19/06/2016 13:58:34    1868831

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The Sunday game has actually bothered to learn a few new galway players names. Talking about our full back line which was missing arguably our best player but you wouldn't know it. Kerins was solid throughout. Cathal Sweeney was togged so he's back for the final . He'll definitely get his place back but who'll lose out , it'll be tough because no one after yesterday deserves to sit on the bench. It's a great problem to have.Varley and psweeney are 2 quality forwards we have as impact subs. Wouldn't discount roscommon there forwards can be lethal, hopefully the lads approach the match with the same attitude as yesterday. Conroy and flynn are the heart of the team we need them to perform every game.

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 19/06/2016 14:08:41    1868834

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Well done Galway. Think mayo well still go well in qualifiers. One question for me is who's in charge Rochford needs to make sure he running the show not some of the players. Player revolt happened in roscommon finished us for 10 years. As they say at sea ,don't let the crew run the ship.

1rossiejim (Roscommon) - Posts: 80 - 19/06/2016 14:16:18    1868836

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