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Should Galway GAA offer Pearse stadium to Connacht

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Replying To Soma:  "I'm sure you are right about the wider parish but the grounds of both clubs are in Galway, it is Galway County Council who deal with their planning applications. The majority of lads playing over here are Irish but the clubs are definitely Lancashire clubs."
True creggs is in Galway but are a junior football team in Roscommon. Much the same way ballymoe play in roscommon as part of the saint croans club with ballintober.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 05/06/2016 09:40:25    1861668

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Replying To ROS1:  "Ormond only one game clashed with the world cup and the attendance stayed the same before, after and during the world cup it made no difference. I would far sooner watch a match sitting in the stand in the sportgrounds then high up in the aviva where you are both further away from the field and could have a stupid beam blocking your view. In the long term if Connacht can get decent attendances then the should build a stadium in the rugbygrounds on the tuam road, a decent bus service from the city would not be hard to sort out"
Ormond only one game clashed with the world cup and the attendance stayed the same before, after and during the world cup it made no difference. I would far sooner watch a match sitting in the stand in the sportgrounds then high up in the aviva where you are both further away from the field and could have a stupid beam blocking your view. In the long term if Connacht can get decent attendances then the should build a stadium in the rugbygrounds on the tuam road, a decent bus service from the city would not be hard to sort out
ROS1 (Roscommon) - Posts:456 - 05/06/2016 09:33:28
Connacht v Cardiff clashed with South Africa Scotland and Connacht Edinburgh clashed with the world cup final. The world cup did make a difference.
There is no seats in the Sportsground which affects a lot of people who may go to games and you may prefer to be in sportsground in terrace and its position to pitch like it is but most don't like it
The only restrictions on seats in the Aviva are that you cant see big screen properly
And why would Connacht move out of the city? It would be complete nonsense to move out of the city centre out to cloonacauneen. Why completely mess around your target audience?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 05/06/2016 12:25:31    1861722

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "Ormond only one game clashed with the world cup and the attendance stayed the same before, after and during the world cup it made no difference. I would far sooner watch a match sitting in the stand in the sportgrounds then high up in the aviva where you are both further away from the field and could have a stupid beam blocking your view. In the long term if Connacht can get decent attendances then the should build a stadium in the rugbygrounds on the tuam road, a decent bus service from the city would not be hard to sort out
ROS1 (Roscommon) - Posts:456 - 05/06/2016 09:33:28
Connacht v Cardiff clashed with South Africa Scotland and Connacht Edinburgh clashed with the world cup final. The world cup did make a difference.
There is no seats in the Sportsground which affects a lot of people who may go to games and you may prefer to be in sportsground in terrace and its position to pitch like it is but most don't like it
The only restrictions on seats in the Aviva are that you cant see big screen properly
And why would Connacht move out of the city? It would be complete nonsense to move out of the city centre out to cloonacauneen. Why completely mess around your target audience?"
The Cardiff game was the one that clashed far enough but the world cup was well over before the Connacht match started. The were getting the same crowds a month after the world cup final as the were during the world cup. You can sit in the main stand behind glass the sportsground, not been able to see where the ball goes when it goes high in the air is a major problem as is the case in the aviva or indeed not been able to see the big screen espically when you are so far high up. How would moving out there mess people around alot of people drive to the matches anyways and a short bus journey is not going to kill anyone. If would have the benefits of providing a better ground and having if easier acess to the rest of the province

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 05/06/2016 15:38:57    1861814

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The Cardiff game was the one that clashed far enough but the world cup was well over before the Connacht match started. The were getting the same crowds a month after the world cup final as the were during the world cup. You can sit in the main stand behind glass the sportsground, not been able to see where the ball goes when it goes high in the air is a major problem as is the case in the aviva or indeed not been able to see the big screen espically when you are so far high up. How would moving out there mess people around alot of people drive to the matches anyways and a short bus journey is not going to kill anyone. If would have the benefits of providing a better ground and having if easier acess to the rest of the province
ROS1 (Roscommon) - Posts:457 - 05/06/2016 15:38:57
Moving out of such prime city centre location isn't going to happen. Just like IRFU/FAI didn't move out of Lansdowne Road to build a stadium in Abbotstown and they didn't move to build 'Bertie Bowl'.
You can sit behind glass in sportsground but its completely separate from game in so many ways -atmosphere etc.
Moving out to a ground out of city like Corinthians ground affects how the crowd gets there. 000s can walk up from eyre square. They can get buses/trains from all over the province and further afield to eyre square and then walk up to the ground. That again changes completely if you move to a ground out of the city.
A lot do drive to games but creating a new stadium in middle of countryside just makes traffic around ground terrible and harder for public transport as well.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 05/06/2016 20:26:58    1861948

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Ormond it is a 10 mins bus journey from eyre square to corthaians quicker than walking to the sportgrounds. The could work with the racecourse for parking. There is a complete lack of public transport from the rest of the province be it drains or buses to Galway city. Lansdowne is not in the centre of Dublin city, it further away from the centre then corthaians is from eyre square

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 06/06/2016 10:59:34    1862081

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Ormond it is a 10 mins bus journey from eyre square to corthaians quicker than walking to the sportgrounds. The could work with the racecourse for parking. There is a complete lack of public transport from the rest of the province be it drains or buses to Galway city. Lansdowne is not in the centre of Dublin city, it further away from the centre then corthaians is from eyre square
ROS1 (Roscommon) - Posts:458 - 06/06/2016 10:59:34
Galway is significantly smaller than Dublin.
Yes it is a 10 minute bus journey from Eyre Square to Corinthians. And that's why Corinthians shouldn't be used. If Corinthians was to be used for Connacht games you would have to get rid of their other pitches and that doesn't help their club.
Corinthians ground is out the Tuam Road in countryside which makes it much harder to access especially for traveling fans.
The public transport is fine to Galway city and is certainly better than anything you would have if Connacht played out in Corinthians

In no way would Connacht be better off playing in Corinthians ground in Cloonauncean than where they currently play. People can get public transport from all over into the city and walk up from eyre square to the ground. Before and after the game fans can stroll down college road and in 5/10 minutes after the game can be at any number of pubs/shops/restuarants
Connacht wont move out of the Sportsground to anywhere but a place directly in the city.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 06/06/2016 13:43:27    1862213

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Ormond it is a 10 mins bus journey from eyre square to corthaians quicker than walking to the sportgrounds. The could work with the racecourse for parking. There is a complete lack of public transport from the rest of the province be it drains or buses to Galway city. Lansdowne is not in the centre of Dublin city, it further away from the centre then corthaians is from eyre square
ROS1 (Roscommon) - Posts:458 - 06/06/2016 10:59:34
Galway is significantly smaller than Dublin.
Yes it is a 10 minute bus journey from Eyre Square to Corinthians. And that's why Corinthians shouldn't be used. If Corinthians was to be used for Connacht games you would have to get rid of their other pitches and that doesn't help their club.
Corinthians ground is out the Tuam Road in countryside which makes it much harder to access especially for traveling fans.
The public transport is fine to Galway city and is certainly better than anything you would have if Connacht played out in Corinthians

In no way would Connacht be better off playing in Corinthians ground in Cloonauncean than where they currently play. People can get public transport from all over into the city and walk up from eyre square to the ground. Before and after the game fans can stroll down college road and in 5/10 minutes after the game can be at any number of pubs/shops/restuarants
Connacht wont move out of the Sportsground to anywhere but a place directly in the city.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 06/06/2016 13:43:27    1862214

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Ormond you are ignoring the fact that the majority of Connacht fans would have to pass Corthians grounds to go to the sportgrounds as things stand and for travelling fans a 10 min bus ride or a 10 min would make little difference to them as most grounds are located longer distances from city centres. Indeed Connach should be more concerned with expanding there home support then accomadating away supporters. Corthians/irfu could look in the possibility of buying some land beside them. You are constantly saying that the condition that the sportgrounds is in is turning people away yet you completely argue against any alternative.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 06/06/2016 17:30:50    1862351

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Replying To ROS1:  "Ormond you are ignoring the fact that the majority of Connacht fans would have to pass Corthians grounds to go to the sportgrounds as things stand and for travelling fans a 10 min bus ride or a 10 min would make little difference to them as most grounds are located longer distances from city centres. Indeed Connach should be more concerned with expanding there home support then accomadating away supporters. Corthians/irfu could look in the possibility of buying some land beside them. You are constantly saying that the condition that the sportgrounds is in is turning people away yet you completely argue against any alternative."
Ormond you are ignoring the fact that the majority of Connacht fans would have to pass Corthians grounds to go to the sportgrounds as things stand and for travelling fans a 10 min bus ride or a 10 min would make little difference to them as most grounds are located longer distances from city centres. Indeed Connach should be more concerned with expanding there home support then accomadating away supporters. Corthians/irfu could look in the possibility of buying some land beside them. You are constantly saying that the condition that the sportgrounds is in is turning people away yet you completely argue against any alternative.
ROS1 (Roscommon) - Posts:459 - 06/06/2016 17:30:50
In no way would the majority of fans have to pass Corinthians Grounds to get to the Sportsground and it would be foolish to build a white elephant out of the city. Access for thousands to a ground in a complete rural setting would be a nightmare. Connacht will expand their home support significantly more by staying in the sportsground and improving facilities there than they ever would be moving out to Cloonaunceen. The condition the sportsground is in does turn people away but it is still significantly better than what Corinthians have. Corinthians have excellent facilities but in terms of dealing with 7000/8000 people. No they don't and it would be a waste of money to put in stands/terraces to deal with that amount of people as well as costs to build toilets/bars/shops to cater for all the thousands of supporters etc.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 06/06/2016 18:54:55    1862404

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Replying To ROS1:  "Ormond you are ignoring the fact that the majority of Connacht fans would have to pass Corthians grounds to go to the sportgrounds as things stand and for travelling fans a 10 min bus ride or a 10 min would make little difference to them as most grounds are located longer distances from city centres. Indeed Connach should be more concerned with expanding there home support then accomadating away supporters. Corthians/irfu could look in the possibility of buying some land beside them. You are constantly saying that the condition that the sportgrounds is in is turning people away yet you completely argue against any alternative."
Corinthians sits astride the N-17, the main west coast north/south traffic artery. Can you imagine the traffic delays caused by inviting potentially thousands of spectators to a game at a stadium with absolutely zero (relatively speaking) parking? The delays getting through Claregalway are bad enough at the best of times; this would be an unmitigated disaster and to be honest I'd be surprised if the shades agreed to it for road safety concerns alone.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 06/06/2016 19:28:31    1862420

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Connacht wanted to play in Pearse stadium, but GAA asked for too much money. I think if a fair price is agreed they should be allowed play there.
Connacht could pull 15K-20k for a Heineken cup match against Munster for example. Pearse holds 30K.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 06/06/2016 21:53:27    1862510

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "Sell Pearse stadium to a developer and Connacht & Galway GAA should get together and build a stadium on the outskirts of the City. A stadium that can also hold large concerts and could also house Galway United for a friendly against a premier league team.
It could be funded by the GAA, IRFU and a Government grant.
TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts:230 - 03/06/2016 13:18:03
Connacht are not going to move out of the Sportsground and its city centre location. A huge appeal of sportsground is its location which allows huge percentage of crowd stroll up on matchday to the ground and then walk back into the pubs, restaurants etc straight after the game with no fuss.
Moving out of the sportsground to a ground on the outskirts of the city wont happen"
Is their target audience widening though? They may loose some fans by moving but may gain more.

TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts: 529 - 07/06/2016 10:09:30    1862619

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Corinthians is in a relative rural area. The Avivia is in an urban area with hotels, shops, bar's nearby. You need all those to cater for fans. Having Connacht play at Corinthians would be a worng move with a terrible atmosphere. You need Stadium's in urban area's.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 07/06/2016 10:23:14    1862630

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Corinthians is in a relative rural area. The Avivia is in an urban area with hotels, shops, bar's nearby. You need all those to cater for fans. Having Connacht play at Corinthians would be a worng move with a terrible atmosphere. You need Stadium's in urban area's."
A new stadium cater for these needs with restaurants and bars.

TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts: 529 - 07/06/2016 10:40:18    1862650

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A lot of Connacht games are on Friday nights. Corinthians ground is between the city and Claregalway. On a Friday after lunchtime that builds up into one of the biggest traffic blackspots in the country, at the moment. Not sure how much, if any, relief will come with the Tuam Gort motorway. For now I think Friday night games would benon-runners The other thing is what kind of existing bus service is there between the city and Corinthians direction?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 07/06/2016 11:37:47    1862699

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Connacht wanted to play in Pearse stadium, but GAA asked for too much money. I think if a fair price is agreed they should be allowed play there.
Connacht could pull 15K-20k for a Heineken cup match against Munster for example. Pearse holds 30K.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts:580 - 06/06/2016 21:53:27
Connacht can only play other provinces in Europe if they make it through to the quarter finals of any European competition and they are extremely unlikely to do that in champions cup next season. What would a fair price be?
Is their target audience widening though? They may loose some fans by moving but may gain more.
TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts:235 - 07/06/2016 10:09:30
Their target audience has got bigger and more and more people are attending sportsground for games. Moving out of the city centre would be foolish as sportsground location is fantastic.
Corinthians is in a relative rural area. The Avivia is in an urban area with hotels, shops, bar's nearby. You need all those to cater for fans. Having Connacht play at Corinthians would be a worng move with a terrible atmosphere. You need Stadium's in urban area's.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts:7372 - 07/06/2016 10:23:14
Spot on.

A new stadium cater for these needs with restaurants and bars.
TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts:235 - 07/06/2016 10:40:18
A new stadium would be great but it needs to be in Galway city with proper access for travelling fans and home fans a like and for that it has to be in the city.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/06/2016 11:54:01    1862720

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Replying To TheWestIsAwake:  "A new stadium cater for these needs with restaurants and bars."
Yes you could have bar's at the stadium but is not enough. Imagine Thomond out in Meelick or the Aviva in Adamstown...it just would not work.
On a bigger scale, Cardiff is a perfect example of a stadium right in the middle of town, the atmosphere in Cardiff for a big game or concert is excellent.
Even Pearce Stadium suffer's in terms of match day atmosphere.....Galway football fans will tell you that.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 07/06/2016 12:33:27    1862753

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Why not groundshare with Galway United in Terryland Park? Could increase the capacity and pitch can easily fit there. A bit less accessible than Sportsgrounds but the crowd is right close to the action. Has feck all parking but same story with Sportsground. Can walk to town in just a few minutes more than from the Sportsground.

Do Connacht lease the ground from Galway Agricultural and Sports society or some other group? Maybe any proposed rebuilding has to go through the owner's first.

We're making a fair few assumptions here too. What do the Galway County Board, Galway United, Corinthians Rugby Club, etc think of any possible groundsharing/buyout and what feasible options do Connacht Rugby have?

http://www.the42.ie/connacht-stadium-10000-vision-ruane-2775760-May2016/

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 07/06/2016 15:01:06    1862866

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Why not groundshare with Galway United in Terryland Park? Could increase the capacity and pitch can easily fit there. A bit less accessible than Sportsgrounds but the crowd is right close to the action. Has feck all parking but same story with Sportsground. Can walk to town in just a few minutes more than from the Sportsground.

Do Connacht lease the ground from Galway Agricultural and Sports society or some other group? Maybe any proposed rebuilding has to go through the owner's first.

We're making a fair few assumptions here too. What do the Galway County Board, Galway United, Corinthians Rugby Club, etc think of any possible groundsharing/buyout and what feasible options do Connacht Rugby have?

http://www.the42.ie/connacht-stadium-10000-vision-ruane-2775760-May2016/"
Why" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.the42.ie/connacht-stadium-10000-vision-ruane-2775760-May2016/"Why not groundshare with Galway United in Terryland Park? Could increase the capacity and pitch can easily fit there. A bit less accessible than Sportsgrounds but the crowd is right close to the action. Has feck all parking but same story with Sportsground. Can walk to town in just a few minutes more than from the Sportsground.
Do Connacht lease the ground from Galway Agricultural and Sports society or some other group? Maybe any proposed rebuilding has to go through the owner's first.
We're making a fair few assumptions here too. What do the Galway County Board, Galway United, Corinthians Rugby Club, etc think of any possible groundsharing/buyout and what feasible options do Connacht Rugby have?
http://www.the42.ie/connacht-stadium-10000-vision-ruane-2775760-May2016/
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts:2415 - 07/06/2016 15:01:06
Don't think either would want it. You cant really expand the capacity of Terryland too much as there isn't enough room unless you bought up a lot of property around the ground. Access to ground isn't fantastic especially for buses etc as the Dyke Road is fairly narrow local road.
Connacht lease the far side of the ground(Clan terrace) from the Greyhound board and the greyhound board lease the entire property from the Society.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/06/2016 15:32:19    1862890

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Why does the stadium have to be a city, there is very poor parking at the sportgrounds and Connacht will always be limited in what the can do in the sportgrounds as the are only a tenant. Obviously you would have a improved bus service if you built a stadium out there and no matter where you build a new stadium around galway city it is going to be a traffic nightmare as the majority of people are going to the game in there cars

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 07/06/2016 19:40:21    1863109

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