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It is followed by a large amount of snobs who turn their nose down at other sports.
Please give examples of such snobbery stating the club / school involved- This time rather than soma trying to concoct as answer Id likethe poster i.e.therightstuff to furnish us with an example.Its amazing when you ask the poster for examples of such snobbery there is non eforthcoming i.e. sceptical, or cuetherocket today
Sure you are elitist yourself with your corrections of my grammar.
if that is the case then every teacher and every parent who corrects a grammatical error is elitist
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It is followed by a large amount of snobs who turn their nose down at other sports.
Please give examples of such snobbery stating the club / school involved- This time rather than soma trying to concoct as answer Id likethe poster i.e.therightstuff to furnish us with an example.Its amazing when you ask the poster for examples of such snobbery there is non eforthcoming i.e. sceptical, or cuetherocket today
Sure you are elitist yourself with your corrections of my grammar.
if that is the case then every teacher and every parent who corrects a grammatical error is elitist" Plenty of sound people involved in rugby but I'll give you two clubs where I've witnessed snobbery. Seapoint Rugby Club and the border of Ballybrack and Killliney. I trained twice with them, they barely said hello to me, never passed the ball to me once during their 'touch rugby' sessions.
Ballina, surprisingly, with a good few GAA lads. Not a word to us in the clubhouse after games there. One loss, one sweet victory. There'd be a few GAA holier-than-thou types too mind you.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 26/05/2016 21:58:56
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Lived in Dublin. Been a member of a club. Father and uncle have been committee members of a club. Brother currently playing for a Dublin city club. I honestly haven't experienced rugby being for posh people. What exactly do you define posh as anyway?
I know you have not experienced the elitist nature of rugby in Dublin.
My question was as to why you think the perception is there among a large portion of the capital that rugby is for posh people/elitist?
You cannot argue that the perception isn't there.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13709 - 27/05/2016 08:40:08
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If a sport prevents somebody from playing joining or contributing on the basis of so called social status then in my view it would be elitist. In my view rugby and gaa are not elitist.
Now I understand where your confusion is jboro, you are mistaking 'elitism' with 'socially exclusive'. The fact you have to cobble together guidelines from ladies football and an example form from the GAA to get something that sort of resembles a membership form for some of Dublins most prominent rugby clubs says a lot.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 27/05/2016 08:50:29
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Once again soma I ask you
Do these clubs
Prevent you from being a member on the basis of occupation
Does any rugby club prevent you from playing with them on such a basis.
Do any rugby club these clubs prevent you going into the bar or attending a game.
Please furnish a response
Please explain how i have "cobbled together" guidelines from ladies football and and example form from the GAA - i did not manufacture these letters it was the relevant association. At no stage use them in order to get a rugby club member ship form. In order to view a rugby club membership form I merely go to theclubs website. I dont have to go via the GAA. I was merely responding to your question as to what other clubs/organisations require information regarding ones occupation.
AS for your question in regard to why a club would require details of occupation a major reason is that clubs find it very useful knowing the skillsets of their members, in a lot of clubs it is common to utilise the services of members e.g.
- if going to construct a new dressing room - clubs use the services of members who are builders/plumbers/electricians
-problems with lighting/electricity - use a club member in the ESB
-the treasurer is usually somebody with an accountancy background who is a member
-the club doctors is quite often a club member
-club members with medical backgrounds/first aid often
- getting jobs for players
-sponsorship and advertising
-also lots of clubs inc rugby clubs have membership discounts for the unwaged
IF you or indeed any other poster is of the view that all rugby players/ supporters are snobs/elitist/ socially exclusive blah blah blah have a look at the link below. The limerick programme on creedons cities about halfway through has a piece on Thomond RFC and see if you still hold the same view after watching it.
http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/creedons-cities-30001441/10578094/
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 27/05/2016 10:29:34
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Yip, the romance wont last. Rugby is by and large followed by folks who want to move up the social strata.
It is followed by a large amount of snobs who turn their nose down at other sports. The romance wont last and there will be 300 in attendance at Connacht games like 10 years ago.
Sure you are elitist yourself with your corrections of my grammar.
TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts:1211 - 26/05/2016 21:09:06 You are very misguided if you think rugby is predominantly followed by people who want to move up any social ladder/scene. I don't think you have any real experience of rugby clubs or pro game if you actually believe it.
Your assertion about Connacht is nonsense. Crowds have went up as success has occurred, as more get involved in rugby on a day to day basis, as pro era develops and improves its pr/communications/marketing.
I know you have not experienced the elitist nature of rugby in Dublin.
My question was as to why you think the perception is there among a large portion of the capital that rugby is for posh people/elitist?
You cannot argue that the perception isn't there.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts:9607 - 27/05/2016 08:40:08But this perception is the fault of those not in the rugby circles. People outside rugby clubs etc assume something and it will only be when they join or see what rugby club are that they will see they are wrong
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/05/2016 10:38:46
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But this perception is the fault of those not in the rugby circles. People outside rugby clubs etc assume something and it will only be when they join or see what rugby club are that they will see they are wrong
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:11222 - 27/05/2016 10:38:46
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But where does the perception come from in your opinion?
Why would all the people that think rugby is for posh people/elitist think like that?
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13709 - 27/05/2016 11:18:09
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Yip, the romance wont last. Rugby is by and large followed by folks who want to move up the social strata.
It is followed by a large amount of snobs who turn their nose down at other sports. The romance wont last and there will be 300 in attendance at Connacht games like 10 years ago.
Sure you are elitist yourself with your corrections of my grammar.
TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts:1211 - 26/05/2016 21:09:06 You are very misguided if you think rugby is predominantly followed by people who want to move up any social ladder/scene. I don't think you have any real experience of rugby clubs or pro game if you actually believe it.
Your assertion about Connacht is nonsense. Crowds have went up as success has occurred, as more get involved in rugby on a day to day basis, as pro era develops and improves its pr/communications/marketing.
I know you have not experienced the elitist nature of rugby in Dublin.
My question was as to why you think the perception is there among a large portion of the capital that rugby is for posh people/elitist?
You cannot argue that the perception isn't there.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts:9607 - 27/05/2016 08:40:08But this perception is the fault of those not in the rugby circles. People outside rugby clubs etc assume something and it will only be when they join or see what rugby club are that they will see they are wrong" Dont think ive ever heard a normal or working class Dublin accent playing for Leinster or Ireland.Nearly always that posh,D4 "Dricco" drawl.There's no doubt,in the main,it is a posh,upper class game in Dublin.Always has been.Probably always will be (although i think its changing,slowly).There's always exceptions to the rule but thats just the way it is.I know from even working around the city when the rugby is on.I will be kept busy out around south Dublin - Ballsbridge,Donnybrook,Foxrock,Mount Merrion,Blackrock,Dalkey,Killiney etc.I dont get much business in Ballymun,Finglas,Blanch,Cabra,Crumlin,Inchicore etc.Total opposite for the soccer.Busy in all areas.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 27/05/2016 11:23:28
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Jboro the fact you are suggesting I am claiming all rugby clubs and members are elitist or snobs shows you have no interest in debating the issues or understanding the nuances. In most peoples view the legal profession in many countries is elitist but none of them prevent people joining based on class. Similarly with institutions here like Eton College and the House of Lords.
It is entirely disingenuous to say that the reason some of the more prominent clubs in Dublin require your occupation and business address when applying for membership is because it could be handy when they want a blocked drain fixed. Surely in a club people will get to know each other and how they may serve the club when required? How come Dublins GAA clubs do not request details of peoples occupation and business address? Or I presume your own rugby club in Limerick? Do they not have the same maintenance issues? Compare the membership application form for a GAA club like Na Fianna with a rugby club like Old Wesley and let me know which one is more likely to encourage someone from a working class background new to the area to apply to join. Saying that a programme about Thomond RFC proves there is no elitism in a sport is similar to watching an act of foul play in a game and declaring all who participate in the sport as dangerous thugs.
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Soma please answers the questions i have asked you
.In most peoples view the legal profession in many countries is elitist but none of them prevent people joining based on class.
Well then how is it elitist , once you got the exams one become a solicitor irrespective of social standing/snobbery etc etc
How come Dublins GAA clubs do not request details of peoples occupation and business address?
Dont know - again i ask has anybody been refused entry/membership on grounds occupation.
compare GAA club like Na Fianna with a rugby club like Old Wesley and let me know which one is more likely to encourage someone from a working class background new to the area to apply to join.
I played with Wesley for years and am still a member (im from working class background and was new to the Dublin) they are a great bunch, had no issues with snobbery ,never once with any rugby club in dublin , despite limerick accent etc. When munsters played belvo in Dublin I managed to take in their game v shannon (had 530 ko) , had a great laugh catchin up. Park in na fianna on the rare occasions limerick get to croke park . Nice bunch of people there fantastic set up and facilities.
I looked at both forms and neither would prohibit me from membership, except i dont have any connection with na fianna and i do with wesley
Have you actually set foot in a rugby club in Ireland or gone to a club game recently.
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Replying To janesboro: "Soma please answers the questions i have asked you
.In most peoples view the legal profession in many countries is elitist but none of them prevent people joining based on class.
Well then how is it elitist , once you got the exams one become a solicitor irrespective of social standing/snobbery etc etc
How come Dublins GAA clubs do not request details of peoples occupation and business address?
Dont know - again i ask has anybody been refused entry/membership on grounds occupation.
compare GAA club like Na Fianna with a rugby club like Old Wesley and let me know which one is more likely to encourage someone from a working class background new to the area to apply to join.
I played with Wesley for years and am still a member (im from working class background and was new to the Dublin) they are a great bunch, had no issues with snobbery ,never once with any rugby club in dublin , despite limerick accent etc. When munsters played belvo in Dublin I managed to take in their game v shannon (had 530 ko) , had a great laugh catchin up. Park in na fianna on the rare occasions limerick get to croke park . Nice bunch of people there fantastic set up and facilities.
I looked at both forms and neither would prohibit me from membership, except i dont have any connection with na fianna and i do with wesley
Have you actually set foot in a rugby club in Ireland or gone to a club game recently." But this perception is the fault of those not in the rugby circles. People outside rugby clubs etc assume something and it will only be when they join or see what rugby club are that they will see they are wrong
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:11222 - 27/05/2016 10:38:46
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But where does the perception come from in your opinion?
Why would all the people that think rugby is for posh people/elitist think like that?
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts:9608 - 27/05/2016 11:18:09Perception comes from those who have not ever spent much time if any in a rugby club and assuming something. They see some things in media, RossO Carroll Kelly etc and assume all are like that which Is ridiculous.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/05/2016 15:02:37
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Replying To janesboro: "Soma please answers the questions i have asked you
.In most peoples view the legal profession in many countries is elitist but none of them prevent people joining based on class.
Well then how is it elitist , once you got the exams one become a solicitor irrespective of social standing/snobbery etc etc
How come Dublins GAA clubs do not request details of peoples occupation and business address?
Dont know - again i ask has anybody been refused entry/membership on grounds occupation.
compare GAA club like Na Fianna with a rugby club like Old Wesley and let me know which one is more likely to encourage someone from a working class background new to the area to apply to join.
I played with Wesley for years and am still a member (im from working class background and was new to the Dublin) they are a great bunch, had no issues with snobbery ,never once with any rugby club in dublin , despite limerick accent etc. When munsters played belvo in Dublin I managed to take in their game v shannon (had 530 ko) , had a great laugh catchin up. Park in na fianna on the rare occasions limerick get to croke park . Nice bunch of people there fantastic set up and facilities.
I looked at both forms and neither would prohibit me from membership, except i dont have any connection with na fianna and i do with wesley
Have you actually set foot in a rugby club in Ireland or gone to a club game recently." Ok they want Unionists on board. But the GAA and Soccer are all Ireland games also and use both. Also rugby seems to attract the most -dare I say it- Reactionary elements in society. I remember the day of Hillsborough in 1989, I lived in London at time. Post the tragedy I will never forget the attitude of English rugby and Irish rugby supporters to this: "We will ban football" Ban football never let it into Twickenham they said.
OK it was a FA and Policing fault- but very little sympathy from the Rugby lads!
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 27/05/2016 15:07:44
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It is followed by a large amount of snobs who turn their nose down at other sports.
Please give examples of such snobbery stating the club / school involved- This time rather than soma trying to concoct as answer Id likethe poster i.e.therightstuff to furnish us with an example.Its amazing when you ask the poster for examples of such snobbery there is non eforthcoming i.e. sceptical, or cuetherocket today
Sure you are elitist yourself with your corrections of my grammar.
if that is the case then every teacher and every parent who corrects a grammatical error is elitist" Is this a joke ? Are you for real with that comment ?
This is a public forum , not a school . Also it would not be very nice for a teacher to call out someone's mistakes in front of others. Also , this poster does not know anything about my learning capabilities . Add that to the fact I was posting on my smartphone.
This is not an academic paper - the aforementioned person is not my parent or my teacher so how is that relevant?
I know there are some lovely rugby supporters but in my experience many look down their noses at bog ball GAA fans- its not for me.
I even have friends to only support rugby as they would like to be seen in the RDS with their scorf and rubbing their noses with the big goys about town- its a social thing . I would say it wont last that long out west. Do you need times and dates of when I experienced hostility from rugby supporters ?
TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 27/05/2016 16:40:31
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Replying To ormondbannerman: " Replying To janesboro: "Soma please answers the questions i have asked you
.In most peoples view the legal profession in many countries is elitist but none of them prevent people joining based on class.
Well then how is it elitist , once you got the exams one become a solicitor irrespective of social standing/snobbery etc etc
How come Dublins GAA clubs do not request details of peoples occupation and business address?
Dont know - again i ask has anybody been refused entry/membership on grounds occupation.
compare GAA club like Na Fianna with a rugby club like Old Wesley and let me know which one is more likely to encourage someone from a working class background new to the area to apply to join.
I played with Wesley for years and am still a member (im from working class background and was new to the Dublin) they are a great bunch, had no issues with snobbery ,never once with any rugby club in dublin , despite limerick accent etc. When munsters played belvo in Dublin I managed to take in their game v shannon (had 530 ko) , had a great laugh catchin up. Park in na fianna on the rare occasions limerick get to croke park . Nice bunch of people there fantastic set up and facilities.
I looked at both forms and neither would prohibit me from membership, except i dont have any connection with na fianna and i do with wesley
Have you actually set foot in a rugby club in Ireland or gone to a club game recently." But this perception is the fault of those not in the rugby circles. People outside rugby clubs etc assume something and it will only be when they join or see what rugby club are that they will see they are wrong
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:11222 - 27/05/2016 10:38:46
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But where does the perception come from in your opinion?
Why would all the people that think rugby is for posh people/elitist think like that?
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts:9608 - 27/05/2016 11:18:09Perception comes from those who have not ever spent much time if any in a rugby club and assuming something. They see some things in media, RossO Carroll Kelly etc and assume all are like that which Is ridiculous."
I'm surprised that the Ross O'Carroll Kelly books have managed to have such a massive influence on so many people!
It really is amazing that people in Dublin can have no experience of rugby being posh or elitist but have a perception that it is in fact posh and elitist because of what some comedy books said!
It's truly mind boggling if what your saying is true Ormond.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13709 - 27/05/2016 17:08:19
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Well then how is it elitist , once you got the exams one become a solicitor irrespective of social standing/snobbery etc etc
We will leave it at that then janesboro, you clearly don't understand what elitism is so there is little point debating it further. When I originally said some rugby clubs require applicants to state their occupation and business address you asked me to name an example so I am surprised to read you pay €100? a year to be a member of one such club, that by the sounds of things you rarely visit, but were not even aware of the fact.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 27/05/2016 17:16:48
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Aaaah...reading this thread I'm becoming nostalgic for that epic thread "does the GAA get fair coverage compared to soccer and rugby?" Or by some quirk did that thread get merged into this? Now what's the title of this one again...? "Should Galway GAA allow Connacht rugby play in Pearse Stadium?" or something like that.....
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 27/05/2016 18:27:11
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Aaaah...reading this thread I'm becoming nostalgic for that epic thread "does the GAA get fair coverage compared to soccer and rugby?" Or by some quirk did that thread get merged into this? Now what's the title of this one again...? "Should Galway GAA allow Connacht rugby play in Pearse Stadium?" or something like that....." Very like it alright and just as childish. Who gives a flying fk what sport anyone likes or dislikes, what car they drive, what school they went to, what accent they have. Life's too short.
Connacht Abú!
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It is followed by a large amount of snobs who turn their nose down at other sports.
Please give examples of such snobbery stating the club / school involved- This time rather than soma trying to concoct as answer Id likethe poster i.e.therightstuff to furnish us with an example.Its amazing when you ask the poster for examples of such snobbery there is non eforthcoming i.e. sceptical, or cuetherocket today
Sure you are elitist yourself with your corrections of my grammar.
if that is the case then every teacher and every parent who corrects a grammatical error is elitist" Is this a joke ? Are you for real with that comment ? This is a public forum , not a school . Also it would not be very nice for a teacher to call out someone's mistakes in front of others. Also , this poster does not know anything about my learning capabilities . Add that to the fact I was posting on my smartphone. This is not an academic paper - the aforementioned person is not my parent or my teacher so how is that relevant? I know there are some lovely rugby supporters but in my experience many look down their noses at bog ball GAA fans- its not for me. I even have friends to only support rugby as they would like to be seen in the RDS with their scorf and rubbing their noses with the big goys about town- its a social thing . I would say it wont last that long out west. Do you need times and dates of when I experienced hostility from rugby supporters ?"
This is a public forum , not a school . Also it would not be very nice for a teacher to call out someone's mistakes in front of others. Also , this poster does not know anything about my learning capabilities . Add that to the fact I was posting on my smartphone.
This is not an academic paper - the aforementioned person is not my parent or my teacher so how is that relevant?
I know there are some lovely rugby supporters but in my experience many look down their noses at bog ball GAA fans- its not for me.
I even have friends to only support rugby as they would like to be seen in the RDS with their scorf and rubbing their noses with the big goys about town- its a social thing . I would say it wont last that long out west. Do you need times and dates of when I experienced hostility from rugby supporters ?
TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts:1212 - 27/05/2016 16:40:31 Do you understand irony?
Yes its a public forum but consistently making basic errors school kids don't make is a bit sad.
This site shows that GAA fans are begrudgers much more than those who mainly support rugby. Rarely on rugby/soccer forums do you have the posts that appear here and on other GAA fora criticising other sports like in the manner here.
Nice use of clichéd idea of rugby followers. Yes there is some like that but Christ don't go OTT.
Like you cant criticise rugby supporters for looking down on people then go on about Connacht and support going to drop off etc as you are just looking down on them.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/05/2016 20:05:08
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Soma firstly i shall explain
joined wesley in mid 90s, filled inter club transfer,paid sub then became member, was then a builder labourer & musician(went college later- Still play music though!!), and much to your dissappointment was never asked for my job and a working class limerick man became a member. But I did tell the club what i did for a living.
Personally i didnt care about being a member for me it only meant i was insured to play.
When i renew its online and they dont ask my job. Most know by now.
We will leave it at that then janesboro, you clearly don't understand what elitism Thanks to my abilitiy to read wikipedia collins/oxford dictionary know what elitism is and is not. is so there is little point debating it further. Given that after 4 request you have not answered my questions there is no point in debating further
When I originally said some rugby clubs require applicants to state their occupation and business address you asked me to name an example so I am surprised to read you pay €100? a year to be a member of one such club, that by the sounds of things you rarely visit, but were not even aware of the fact.
Thats because in 20eears membership i was never asked my job
and paying €120 a year is money well spent to support the work they do im promoting sports and for me is a little backpay for the welcome they gave and fun we had ...yes me a working classguy in a rugby club
I also showed you that GAA asks the same questions yet you responded as if I concocted ..sorry cobbled together the forms on the relevant links from the governing bodies sites.
I do have to ask thoughHave you actually set foot in a rugby club in Ireland or gone to a club game recently.
Anyway lets be pals again
Limerick v clare sunday -whos gonna win... i bet youll say clare
I just hope that
1 we perform and
2 we get a crowd - we can be crap at times supporting football but in fairness for the effort they make they deserve a good turnout
you wont believe this but we also have round 3 county SHC in limerick this weekend 2 games fri/sat and sun night .(Saw doon v liberties last night (and doon v na piarsaigh 2 weeks ago -very impressed with them, richie english , darragh odonovan pat ryan and barry murphy got serious potential and all are under 21) Kind of undermines the footballers a bit to put hurling champpionship on same weekend
"TheRightStuff
Is this a joke ? Are you for real with that comment ?
No it aint you say somebody is elitist by correcting you - well then i say that in the interest of consistency you should view others who correct you as likewise
I even have friends to only support rugby as they would like to be seen in the RDS with their scorf and rubbing their noses with the big goys about town- its a social thing .
Is this a widespread view,representative of the general rugby attending population - is it possible maybe just maybe they like the sport.
Is there a social side to watching inter county gaa. I mean compare the amount that go to club v inter county games
It is followed by a large amount of snobs who turn their nose down at other sports.
The irony is that you suggest that rugby fans deride other sports but you then use derisory terms like scorf and big goys to deride rugby fans.
I . Do you need times and dates of when I experienced hostility from rugby supporters ?
Yes i do but given that you state It is followed by a large amount of snobs who turn their nose down at other sports. I would like a large amount of examples
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How did you know the reaction of the irish rugby fans when you were living in london. I was a kid rugby training the following day and the coach made us all say a prayer , the whole clubs was in shock at what happened.
AS for "We will ban football" Ban football never let it into Twickenham they said.--- sounds like some of the people who dont want rugby or soccer into croke park or even pearse stadium (i know your in favour of it)
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