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Tyrone are the only team that can beat Dublin

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Replying To redbomb:  "Vs Donegal 2013 looked to be a fair bit of doubt in your ranks I believe and the Dublin heads dropped very quick as they looked clueless as to how to stop Donegal when the broke at pace mainly from turn overs and kick outs"
Vs Donegal 2013 looked to be a fair bit of doubt in your ranks I believe and the Dublin heads dropped very quick as they looked clueless as to how to stop Donegal when the broke at pace mainly from turn overs and kick outs
redbomb (Tyrone) - Posts:95 - 31/05/2016 13:20:32

Like I said ,living in the past. Dublin and all other teams have moved on and learned from what happen 12/18 months ago.
Certainly wasn't down to there being any doubt about ability. it was a sharp learning curve that has improved the side and they have proved that since.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 01/06/2016 18:02:55    1860635

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The Dubs even with 2 key players missing will still be too strong this year and the only way I feel they will be beat is coming into a game half baked and don't think Gavin will allow this - getting 2 in a row is so important for these bunch of players. But back to the question - Tyrone - I understand why people are talking about this team - their defence has got better even with some key defenders missing but its the speed and skill of their attack which other teams don't possess that will be interesting to see develop as the summer progresses and the opposition gets stronger - however I think its a year or two too early for them. Having seen Kerrys performance in National League Final - I just don't believe they have the legs to trouble the Dubs. I will watch Donegal with interest this weekend but fear they have the same issue as Kerry. Which leaves Mayo - perhaps having won the u21 All Ireland will give them the necessary confidence and talent to take on the Dubs this year and win their first All Ireland in a very long time - I would like to see them do it but wouldn't bet the house on it.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 03/06/2016 09:40:12    1861093

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Having watched lots of games last year and through the league I would say that if I had now to put money on a team to beat the Dubs- it would be on Tyrone. There are one or two other teams also and things can change but Tyrone are a CP team. Dublin are still the team to beat.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 03/06/2016 17:03:44    1861289

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Tyrone have a chance of beating Dublin sure, but it's in and around 1 in 10 chance. Dublin are too good, it needs to be a knockout game, it needs to be pouring out of the heavens (a la AI Final last year) and a few Dub's need to have a nightmare and Tyrone vice versa, that's the only way I see them beating Dublin at the minute.

Being honest, Kerry and Mayo are still a level up from Tyrone - they haven't played anyone yet (and I do think Cavan will give them a good game in Ulster Semi Final), those counties have far better players and resources come August to really see how Dublin cope without O'Carroll and Jack McCaffery

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 03/06/2016 17:12:07    1861292

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Replying To browncows:  "Having watched lots of games last year and through the league I would say that if I had now to put money on a team to beat the Dubs- it would be on Tyrone. There are one or two other teams also and things can change but Tyrone are a CP team. Dublin are still the team to beat."
I agree that Tyrone's league style and generally mentality of thinking they are High Kings of Ireland, would make them a genuine threat to Dublin. I think there are actually a few top teams who can beat Dublin, But it all depends on how much effort they put into making that happen, and whether or not their management can Identify Dublin's weaknesses.

What makes Dublin seem so formidable is their attacking talent. They have serious attacking players who are well drilled, not just in the art of scoring, but in what to do when you get the ball depending on your position. Their attack hasn't really changed that much since 2014, but they now just keep a sweeper back, making it harder for opposing teams to score against them.

When confronted by Dublin's attackers, most teams automatically detail extra men to defence to try and deal with Dublin's attack. But this is counterproductive, as if they manage to force a turnover, they have no attacking options. I think the key thing way to beat Dublin is to commit 3 full forwards and then situate a link man between midfield Dublin's 45, generally on the midfield side of the Dublin sweeper. Dublin don't ever expect a 3 on 3 scenario at full back, and that link player draws the sweeper out and actually cancel's him out. All while having a strong enough defence to keep out goal's and repel a decent percentage of points.

This is not a million miles away from how Tyrone set up already, Likewise Mayo have the offensive style already in place and only require some minor defensive tweaking. Kerry have that capability, they have the right blend of players to do it. Donegal have the defensive setup, but need to tweak their attacking game plan, I think they have the players already and a slight tweak from the 2014 plan is possible. Cork have the players to beat Dublin, but have been in limbo as last few years, and need to buy into a system that can see them fulfil their potential.
There a few more teams I believe have the players, but I would get laughed out the gate by saying that.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 03/06/2016 17:36:15    1861294

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Tyrone for Sam

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 05/06/2016 22:05:04    1862006

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "I agree that Tyrone's league style and generally mentality of thinking they are High Kings of Ireland, would make them a genuine threat to Dublin. I think there are actually a few top teams who can beat Dublin, But it all depends on how much effort they put into making that happen, and whether or not their management can Identify Dublin's weaknesses.

What makes Dublin seem so formidable is their attacking talent. They have serious attacking players who are well drilled, not just in the art of scoring, but in what to do when you get the ball depending on your position. Their attack hasn't really changed that much since 2014, but they now just keep a sweeper back, making it harder for opposing teams to score against them.

When confronted by Dublin's attackers, most teams automatically detail extra men to defence to try and deal with Dublin's attack. But this is counterproductive, as if they manage to force a turnover, they have no attacking options. I think the key thing way to beat Dublin is to commit 3 full forwards and then situate a link man between midfield Dublin's 45, generally on the midfield side of the Dublin sweeper. Dublin don't ever expect a 3 on 3 scenario at full back, and that link player draws the sweeper out and actually cancel's him out. All while having a strong enough defence to keep out goal's and repel a decent percentage of points.

This is not a million miles away from how Tyrone set up already, Likewise Mayo have the offensive style already in place and only require some minor defensive tweaking. Kerry have that capability, they have the right blend of players to do it. Donegal have the defensive setup, but need to tweak their attacking game plan, I think they have the players already and a slight tweak from the 2014 plan is possible. Cork have the players to beat Dublin, but have been in limbo as last few years, and need to buy into a system that can see them fulfil their potential.
There a few more teams I believe have the players, but I would get laughed out the gate by saying that."
There r 3 or 4 teams that will match Dublin for 55 - 60 minutes . The problem is Dublin bench is as strong as their starting 15 no other county from what I see can match that
Imo for a team to beat Dublin they would need to be 6 plus points up at the 60 minute mark

rossy15 (Roscommon) - Posts: 617 - 05/06/2016 22:56:19    1862016

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "I agree that Tyrone's league style and generally mentality of thinking they are High Kings of Ireland, would make them a genuine threat to Dublin. I think there are actually a few top teams who can beat Dublin, But it all depends on how much effort they put into making that happen, and whether or not their management can Identify Dublin's weaknesses.

What makes Dublin seem so formidable is their attacking talent. They have serious attacking players who are well drilled, not just in the art of scoring, but in what to do when you get the ball depending on your position. Their attack hasn't really changed that much since 2014, but they now just keep a sweeper back, making it harder for opposing teams to score against them.

When confronted by Dublin's attackers, most teams automatically detail extra men to defence to try and deal with Dublin's attack. But this is counterproductive, as if they manage to force a turnover, they have no attacking options. I think the key thing way to beat Dublin is to commit 3 full forwards and then situate a link man between midfield Dublin's 45, generally on the midfield side of the Dublin sweeper. Dublin don't ever expect a 3 on 3 scenario at full back, and that link player draws the sweeper out and actually cancel's him out. All while having a strong enough defence to keep out goal's and repel a decent percentage of points.

This is not a million miles away from how Tyrone set up already, Likewise Mayo have the offensive style already in place and only require some minor defensive tweaking. Kerry have that capability, they have the right blend of players to do it. Donegal have the defensive setup, but need to tweak their attacking game plan, I think they have the players already and a slight tweak from the 2014 plan is possible. Cork have the players to beat Dublin, but have been in limbo as last few years, and need to buy into a system that can see them fulfil their potential.
There a few more teams I believe have the players, but I would get laughed out the gate by saying that."
I can agree with a lot of what you say, I believe that there are teams out there than can get closer to Dublin than they think, but let's be honest, most of them a beaten between the ears once they're on the pitch facing the throw-in.
I'll wholeheartedly believe Mayo will eventually beat us in the near future, not too near hopefully, and Tyrone would certainly a sticky opponent as would Monaghan.
Kerry, you just can never write them off, but on paper, they are not good enough, though their mindset would be ahead of all the other teams.

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 05/06/2016 23:14:55    1862019

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Replying To KerryKillers:  "I can agree with a lot of what you say, I believe that there are teams out there than can get closer to Dublin than they think, but let's be honest, most of them a beaten between the ears once they're on the pitch facing the throw-in.
I'll wholeheartedly believe Mayo will eventually beat us in the near future, not too near hopefully, and Tyrone would certainly a sticky opponent as would Monaghan.
Kerry, you just can never write them off, but on paper, they are not good enough, though their mindset would be ahead of all the other teams."
I agree with this. I actually think it will be this year that Mayo will do it, I don't like the look of our defence minus O'Carroll , two goals against Laois is poor.Mayo were plagued with injuries for the league but a fit Mayo squad is a huge threat to Dublin.I'm not sure why people are hyping Dublin up so much more than any year this year? Maybe the kerry win is a lot to do with it but Mayo did draw with us and should have bet us last year, I think memories fade very fast once the final whistle goes.

Secondly like I've said before on another post, Mayo have just won an U-21 champioship. There is a fine crop of young lads from the team on the senior panel too including Diarmuid O'Connor (last years young player of the year and u-21 player of the year this year).Stephen Coen who looks very solid, Connor Loftus who also looks like a very talented player . Most importantly is the new full forward Mayo have this year in the shape of Evan Regan. I've only watched him play in two league games and I seen highlights of him against London and in all three games he won man on the match. He is also Mayo's top scorer for the league, he has come into this championship under the radar and come August I have a feeling the whole country will know exactly how good of a player he is. He really is something special ,full of skill, kicks of the left and right foot and is a handy free taker too when Cillian O'Connor is out. Mayo could possibly play a full forward line of himself, Cillian O'Connor and possibly Aidan O Shea if he's played in the right role. That full forward line would look very threatening against a Dublin team who look a little more vulnerable at the back minus O'Carroll .Throw in diarmaid O 'Connor kicking from behind them and you're looking at a very different Mayo team I think.

I'm very excited to see them against Galway , I think that will give a good indication of what type of football they will be playing and if they have cleaned up their defensive goal leaking errors of the past., and look forward to meeting them in September unless Tyrone upstage them , who also look quite impressive against Derry.=, but I'd put my money on a Dub Mayo final and I couldn't call a winner.

BarryPD (Dublin) - Posts: 34 - 06/06/2016 04:14:08    1862034

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