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Kildare v Wexford worst game of all time

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Tell me this though, Meath minors played and beat Dublin by 10 points with actually attacking them relentlessly. Surely if you set a team up to believe in themselves and you have good players there is no need for blanket defense?"
I never seen the game RD but it was a minor match against a completely different Dublin side. Fair play to the Meath minors, I wish them the best in the future hopefully they can transfer that success to senior because the province needs it. but if your thinking they can get there with naive defending and go all out attack then your living in a fantasy.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 22/05/2016 09:49:33    1857180

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If Kildare were to play as bad as they did yesterday against any of the top teams I'm not sure if they'd score more than 2/3 points. That's the point being missed here by those saying that it's better for Kildare to be defensive and competitive. That performance yesterday would not be competitive against a top team.

It was certainly the worst inter-county game of football I've ever seen.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 22/05/2016 10:46:22    1857197

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Wrong. The "progressive" teams can stay ahead by playing the blanket defence if they want, but the paying customer will vote with their feet. I'd rather watch paint dry myself."
Well then go watch paint dry. I'm quite happy to watch tight defensive games where the slightest mistake can have a major impact on any game. It's entertaining.

Does it matter if its a certain colour of paint or is all paint drying equally exciting?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/05/2016 10:57:58    1857205

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Tell me this though, Meath minors played and beat Dublin by 10 points with actually attacking them relentlessly. Surely if you set a team up to believe in themselves and you have good players there is no need for blanket defense?"
Completely different. The current Dublin side is one of the best sides ever to have played the game. You can't go out and beat them with an attacking game plan. Anyway to those of you criticise the current defensive consensus in the modern game, have any of you actually checked the scoring averages over the years or do you just believe the Gospel according to Pat. Scoring averages are well up on where they were 20/30 years, when football was at its 'purest' and 'best'.

But heck don't let facts get in the way of anything.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/05/2016 11:03:32    1857206

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Well then go watch paint dry. I'm quite happy to watch tight defensive games where the slightest mistake can have a major impact on any game. It's entertaining. 

Does it matter if its a certain colour of paint or is all paint drying equally exciting?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:2964 - 22/05/2016 10:57:58   1857205 

I'm all for tight defensive games and I agree that they can often be more exciting than more open one sided games.

However yesterday's game was just an awful game. Very little entertainment on show. The fact the match was still in the balance right until the last seconds was so boring says a lot.

Tight, low scoring games with blanket defence are not the abomination that some people believe them to be. Often times they are very interesting and exciting. It goes the other way too though. Some tight, low scoring games with blanket defence are awfully boring and very hard to watch. Yesterday's game was the latter unfortunately.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 22/05/2016 11:39:36    1857218

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god i thought it was worse than that.....

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 22/05/2016 12:02:16    1857230

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Well then go watch paint dry. I'm quite happy to watch tight defensive games where the slightest mistake can have a major impact on any game. It's entertaining. 

Does it matter if its a certain colour of paint or is all paint drying equally exciting?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:2964 - 22/05/2016 10:57:58   1857205 

I'm all for tight defensive games and I agree that they can often be more exciting than more open one sided games.

However yesterday's game was just an awful game. Very little entertainment on show. The fact the match was still in the balance right until the last seconds was so boring says a lot.

Tight, low scoring games with blanket defence are not the abomination that some people believe them to be. Often times they are very interesting and exciting. It goes the other way too though. Some tight, low scoring games with blanket defence are awfully boring and very hard to watch. Yesterday's game was the latter unfortunately."
I agree entirely Mes. High scoring games aren't all that brilliant either. Fermanagh vs Antrim 2 years ago was one of the highest scoring games i've ever seen but the standard on show was shocking. High scores doesn't always mean great quality, nor does low scores. Some games are good, some bad.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/05/2016 12:09:15    1857233

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Well then go watch paint dry. I'm quite happy to watch tight defensive games where the slightest mistake can have a major impact on any game. It's entertaining.

Does it matter if its a certain colour of paint or is all paint drying equally exciting?"
Enternaning? Are you for real what's so enternaning about 12 or 13 guys running around in there own half blocking runs tugging and pulling at every opportunity and when they do turn it over a deluge of hand passing sideways and backwards because they have no one forward to pass it to .

dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 22/05/2016 13:19:31    1857253

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Drivel of the highest order...all kildare will acheive out of this system is they might just keep the score down against dublin to about 12 points-instead of 19 last year..scoring 2 points in the 2nd half yesterday says it all..plus it was wexford 'and thats no disrespect to wexford...
Expected better from a kildare team,going uber defensive against a division 4 team and then barely scraping over the line..
Leave the basketball to the ulster globetrotters..

GGdub (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 22/05/2016 13:21:35    1857254

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Replying To dubarra:  "Enternaning? Are you for real what's so enternaning about 12 or 13 guys running around in there own half blocking runs tugging and pulling at every opportunity and when they do turn it over a deluge of hand passing sideways and backwards because they have no one forward to pass it to ."
Whats entertaining about watching a fella lump a ball up hoping his player win it? I'm not going to lie I find this football entertaining. Monaghan Donegal in the Ulster final 2 years ago I thought was brilliant to watch. Players probing and probing hoping for something to open up. The discipline that is required to do that is something else.
I never heard anyone complain about defensive football until Spillane brought it up. Scores are higher now than they were in the days of spillane. What more do you want?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/05/2016 13:30:27    1857258

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Replying To GGdub:  "Drivel of the highest order...all kildare will acheive out of this system is they might just keep the score down against dublin to about 12 points-instead of 19 last year..scoring 2 points in the 2nd half yesterday says it all..plus it was wexford 'and thats no disrespect to wexford...
Expected better from a kildare team,going uber defensive against a division 4 team and then barely scraping over the line..
Leave the basketball to the ulster globetrotters.."
Or the dubs. Last time i checked there was only 4 more scores in a game involving the two best attacking sides in the country last september.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/05/2016 13:31:56    1857261

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Just for the record I didn't see the game so I am not passing comment on the quality of the game but some of the crap on this thread is that. Crap!!! Defensive football is not the end of Gaelic football.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/05/2016 13:32:58    1857262

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Replying To GGdub:  "Drivel of the highest order...all kildare will acheive out of this system is they might just keep the score down against dublin to about 12 points-instead of 19 last year..scoring 2 points in the 2nd half yesterday says it all..plus it was wexford 'and thats no disrespect to wexford...
Expected better from a kildare team,going uber defensive against a division 4 team and then barely scraping over the line..
Leave the basketball to the ulster globetrotters.."
I remember 2011, not that long ago when the dubs had their banners on the hill, 'Gilroy Out'. They were playing Wexford that day and were lucky to win, in a rubbish game. They had a couple more rubbish games that year yet won the all Ireland for the first time in 16 years.
Kildare don't have the quality to go toe to toe with top teams, so what's wrong with trying something new, as long as it's not a three game strategy, I hope they stick with it and improve, otherwise it's pointless.

jonno (Kildare) - Posts: 260 - 22/05/2016 13:38:17    1857267

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Whats entertaining about watching a fella lump a ball up hoping his player win it? I'm not going to lie I find this football entertaining. Monaghan Donegal in the Ulster final 2 years ago I thought was brilliant to watch. Players probing and probing hoping for something to open up. The discipline that is required to do that is something else.
I never heard anyone complain about defensive football until Spillane brought it up. Scores are higher now than they were in the days of spillane. What more do you want?"
Whatever turns you on different strokes for different folks. I went to Croke Park on Easter Saturday to the Donegal Dublin game. What Donegal served up that night was the worst attempt to play football I've ever witnessed in my 50 yrs of watching football. They made apsolutely no attempt to try win that game. Now if that's entertainment you can keep it I for one will not be paying my hard earned cash to watch it.

dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 22/05/2016 13:59:17    1857273

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Replying To dubarra:  "Whatever turns you on different strokes for different folks. I went to Croke Park on Easter Saturday to the Donegal Dublin game. What Donegal served up that night was the worst attempt to play football I've ever witnessed in my 50 yrs of watching football. They made apsolutely no attempt to try win that game. Now if that's entertainment you can keep it I for one will not be paying my hard earned cash to watch it."
I'll take it you aren't watching this game at the minute? Serious scoring on display. Not every team can play outstanding every day, not even the dubs...

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/05/2016 14:17:13    1857282

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I can understand the need to go defensive but I had hoped they would have been aiming for the final and to be competitive in that game rather than just containment. We've a long way to go. In fairness the management are only a few months into it.

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1700 - 22/05/2016 14:26:27    1857287

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Replying To gotmilk:  "I'll take it you aren't watching this game at the minute? Serious scoring on display. Not every team can play outstanding every day, not even the dubs..."
Well Tyrone are playing pretty outstanding this afternoon they are running Derry ragged so far

dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 22/05/2016 14:51:08    1857305

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Or the dubs. Last time i checked there was only 4 more scores in a game involving the two best attacking sides in the country last september."
Look gotmilk..you can dress it up and defend it any way you want..but the fact of the matter is lastnights game was a dire example of a football game ..end of story..how you can even try and defend this kind of rubbish is beyond me..

GGdub (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 22/05/2016 15:35:57    1857327

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Replying To jonno:  "I remember 2011, not that long ago when the dubs had their banners on the hill, 'Gilroy Out'. They were playing Wexford that day and were lucky to win, in a rubbish game. They had a couple more rubbish games that year yet won the all Ireland for the first time in 16 years.
Kildare don't have the quality to go toe to toe with top teams, so what's wrong with trying something new, as long as it's not a three game strategy, I hope they stick with it and improve, otherwise it's pointless."
Dont remember ever seeing gilroy out banners..

GGdub (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 22/05/2016 15:39:51    1857328

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Replying To GGdub:  "Look gotmilk..you can dress it up and defend it any way you want..but the fact of the matter is lastnights game was a dire example of a football game ..end of story..how you can even try and defend this kind of rubbish is beyond me.."
Again, I did not see the game so I am not defending it. I'm pointing out a few things.
1.) Defensive football does not mean bad football
2.) It doesn't matter who plays the game can be bad or good
3.) The Dubs are not immune from playing in crap football games
4.) Your comment about Ulster football is ignorant and really highlights your lack of knowledge of Football in Ulster or how basketball works as a sport. Basketball has a shot about every 17 seconds!!!

If you have any other queries feel free to ask.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/05/2016 15:48:05    1857333

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