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When any other county defends in numbers and attacks in numbers, it's "players going man-to-man, there's players going zonal, it's a combination of both". See:http://www.the42.ie/jim-gavin-dublin-blanket-defence-2063366-Apr2015/ And this is fair enough. In another code, it was good enough for Ajax. But when Tyrone defends in numbers and attacks in numbers, it's an opportunity for torrents of sanctimonious, hypocritical guff. Occasionally, the bitterness and the sledging is close to comical - here we have some legend from, er, Carlow lecturing us on how to play football: http://www.balls.ie/gaa/blanket-defence-in-gaelic-football/90228 At least though, he's open about his bigotry: "Let me start off by saying I don't like Ulster football, and I never have. When I was younger it was because 'they' were 'up there'- counties and places that I knew very little about." We'd never have guessed! essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 22/05/2016 20:10:45 1857472 Link 4 |
I don't think that is what's being said again you're misunderstanding - if you sit back and defend and that's all you have in the locker then you won't get scores, there has to be some form of offensive tactic. By all means teams should try different tactics irrespective of how they perceive their chances of winning provincial or all Ireland's - but surely the object of the game is to score more than the other team - not limit how much you will be beaten by. That my friend is the subtle difference - I'd much rather a team went for it and go down in a blaze of glory TBH. The better teams have mastered the art of defending with all 15 players but also attacking - how much did the Dublin full back line score last year? Tyrone are trying something slightly different again this year which I feel is again slightly different and that is to be applauded - the game is going to continue to innovate but the goal is still to out score your opponents.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 22/05/2016 20:27:07 1857485 Link 1 |
I agree. You need to score more than your opponent to win a game. But for me all good teams need to start from the back before they go out in blaze of glory. It's a lot easier to add an attacking game plan to a defensive strategy rather than the other way around.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/05/2016 20:34:48 1857490 Link 0 |
Got milk seems to think because cian o sullivan plays a sweeper role that dublin play a blanket defence.theres a difference between a good defence and a blanket defence..because you defend and tackle well when needs be doesnt automatically mean your playing a blanket..look at examples of a blanket defence a real blanket donegal v dublin 2011..derry v dublin 2014 league.or kildare v wexford last night..there the kind of games that give the true meaning of the word blanket .so in my eyes to say dublin play a blanket defence is laughable..
GGdub (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 22/05/2016 20:41:26 1857498 Link 1 |
When i saw,first hand,Tyrone's water-tight defensive structure in the Div 2 final v Cavan i couldn't help but think i wouldn't fancy any team,Dublin included,trying to breach it and scoring a goal. cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 22/05/2016 20:49:04 1857501 Link 0 |
Too much talk about blanket defence. Every team sport demands that when the opposition have the ball everyone is a defender. Whether it's called blanket, massed, defending from the front, full court press or parking the bus it is only the naive that think that defenders just defend and attackers just attack. A team that just wants to sit back will inevitably lose because in gaelic football the better teams will find a way. Tyrone in my opinion were so well versed in what they wanted to do for the championship and today was just part of that preparation that they will improve game by game. Big players in the months ahead.
ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 650 - 22/05/2016 20:58:04 1857505 Link 0 |
The best example of a blanket defence I saw , and it involved BOTH teams was the Ulster semi final 2012 Tyrone v Donegal Now I thought it was one of the hardest games I ever saw , very little space for anyone to manoeuvre and I think it was 0-12 to 0-10 to Donegal. SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 22/05/2016 21:08:23 1857514 Link 0 |
Super win for Tyrone.. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 22/05/2016 21:15:15 1857521 Link 0 |
Well done to Tyrone today. Felt from early on this year that they are the team best placed to challenge Dublin this year. Honestly feel it's their year for Ulster anyway. Does anyone else get driven mental about the flippant use of the term 'blanket defence or 'the blanket' or 'duvet', etc.. In my mind there is no such thing as a blanket defence. No manager would ever use this term while coaching a team. It is a defensive structure. To quote Jim McGuinness... "'blanket defence' is an inaccurate term because it holds connotations of something shapeless and formless and heavy when in fact, a successful defensive structure is dependent on the opposite characteristics". Any chance lads can stop using the term blanket defence or any other form of this term in this forum!! HandballRef (Donegal) - Posts: 520 - 22/05/2016 21:18:29 1857522 Link 0 |
Not going to happen, same old posters churning out same old tired clichés, blanket, puke, Ulster, basketball, you'll find them all quoted at some point in the season.
brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 22/05/2016 21:28:43 1857527 Link 0 |
I agree but I'm using the term blanket to explain defensive structures to our friend from the capital.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/05/2016 21:36:35 1857533 Link 0 |
Tyrone were very impressive in a game they were never going to lose AND they have a bench laden with talent that was held back for another day. mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 22/05/2016 21:39:40 1857535 Link 0 |
The only difference between those games and the current Dublin side is the speed at which they countered. Have you ever watched Dublin play? When they aren't in position they fall back into their own half. Brogan tends to be the only one who doesn't at any stage in the game. Flynn etc will regularly be found dropping deep. When the term blanket defence was coined it was as a result of boys like Dooher etc dropping deep. Messers like spillane use to criticise teams for their half forward line not scoring enough. This is now a regular occurrence in teams you suggest don't play a 'blanket defence'. Is it only a blanket defence if the team aren't Dublin or don't rack up a big score?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/05/2016 21:42:19 1857537 Link 0 |
It's the usual, stereotypical guff that we have become used to. It is churned out by lazy people who can't think for themselves and who follow and pander to the crowd. They love to use the words puke and blanket because it reinforces their own prejudices; a comfort blanket for them.
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 22/05/2016 21:46:47 1857543 Link 0 |
Listen I don't want to be negative I'm sick of being negative about the games I love but there has to be a rule brought in were you can't have all 15 of your players in their own half there's no skill or art having 15 players defending in their own half. Anyway Well done Tyrone great forward play today hard luck Derry. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/05/2016 21:54:28 1857551 Link 0 |
I and I imagine the Tyrone team genuinely couldn't care less whether people label some style of play. I don't watch RTE anyway and I go to all the games. I enjoy what I seen yesterday with even Derry chipping in with some sensational scores which wouldn't have occurred only for Tyrones set up. redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 23/05/2016 08:43:23 1857572 Link 1 |
I and I imagine the Tyrone team genuinely couldn't care less whether people label some style of play. I don't watch RTE anyway and I go to all the games. I enjoy what I seen yesterday with even Derry chipping in with some sensational scores which wouldn't have occurred only for Tyrones set up. Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 23/05/2016 10:34:38 1857621 Link 0 |
Derry did ok in the beginning & they scored some absolute beauties. But there is no team in the land who can sustain that and win a game relying on super scores. Once it became apparent that these scores were drying up they had no clue how to penetrate the Tyrone rearguard. Now I know it's easier said than done, but I would be critical of the Derry management here. They've had months to think and prepare for it but it was like they took to the field and encountered something brand new. After half time it was almost kamikaze stuff - boot the ball inside and see what happens. Tyrone are far too cute to succumb to rudimentary tactics like that. They simply funneled back, broke the ball and gobbled up the breaks. After that, the inevitable happened, Derry lost heart and discipline and Tyrone picked them off at their leisure. I would worry for Derry football in the short term. It's hard seeing them regrouping to do anything worthwhile in the qualifiers. Hopefully, they can harness the talent at minor level, (although young Glass is a huge loss) and aim for senior success down the line. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9154 - 23/05/2016 10:35:05 1857622 Link 1 |
What impressed me the most about Tyrone's display Vs Derry, was that when they were forced out to the wings, they had no trouble converting points from tight angles. Derry could have been a little tighter in marking the man taking the shot, but that doesn't take away from the fact that Tyrone look very comfortable taking those shots from marginal angles. Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 23/05/2016 11:21:07 1857655 Link 1 |
Tyrone were nothing more than efficent yesterday the current group of players are maturing into a solid well drilled squad. Only time and more robust challengers will let us know how high they can fly. downredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 567 - 23/05/2016 11:26:11 1857657 Link 2 |