Would also like to point out that when kerry tried to combat modern football with the traditional catch and kick, open type football, during the 2000's, Brolly blasted them for being naive.
Now theyve done what he said they should have done, he's blasting them again.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 07/05/2016 20:27:46    1852860

username.......nothing in the media about the 'tackle' on Jonny Cooper - strangely there was no footage of it,
Oh yeah the tackle on Johnny Lazarus Cooper!

liner (Mayo) - Posts: 756 - 07/05/2016 20:57:03    1852868

Gary it's probably worth pointing out that Kerry won as many All-Irelands in the last decade as in any in the previous 12 decades Sam was played for. In fact they have been winning All-Irelands at a faster rate in the last 20 years than in the first 110 of the organisation. This idea that they have 37 All-Irelands because they got organised first is laughable but sums up alot of the begrudgery they get, including from some in the media.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 07/05/2016 21:04:20    1852874

Agree joncarter , consistency wouldn't be Seosamh O'Brollaigh's stong point .. gets away with it by going into denial. I still recall him wasting over 10mins one Sunday night denying calling Colm Cooper a 'choker'.
Seems to have freedom with RTE to offend any amateur player/coach he wishes as long as he doesn't insult one of their own (Marty).

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 506 - 07/05/2016 21:13:22    1852878

Joncarter - your telling me there is no room for what ? Classy , silky forwards ?

Man you need to get to matches .

Bernard Brogan - class in 2011- 2015

Our own Colm McFadden in 2012 - hardly a ' gym' type player. Just a cultural left foot .

James O' D , the Gooch himself , Conor McManus . Cillian O' Connor.

Check out Murphy's goal V Mayo in 2012 - the pass from Lacey and boom - top of the net. Almost as good as PJs in 98 :) .

Classy forwards are in this era as much as any other .

I could continue but I won't .

I'm sure Galway will produce another Joyce soon so keep the head up .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 07/05/2016 21:45:40    1852895

Jon - sorry only seeing your post on McGuinness re Michael Murphy .

McGuinness was being a proper sportsman for wishing Kerry all the best . Must say I really like Eamonn Fitz also -he's a good guy .

O' Mahoney's antics that day on Murphy is what happens unfortunately .

If it was a semis maybe something should be said but in the light of a final - let it go . Kerry won the game , good luck to them.

Brolly , Spillane and Hayes are different beasts though.

We in Donegal know all about it sadly .

Some of the stuff wrote out Donegal post 2011 turned me off football TBH .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 08/05/2016 09:15:02    1852906

Gary each one if your posts is becoming more and more anti Kerry, the veil is slipping alright.
I wonder what a Derry man has against us?

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 08/05/2016 09:58:00    1852909

I take everything Joe writes with a pinch of salt these days. I remember the 2012 semi final when Mayo had a good lead against Dublin and gave away a lot of kickable frees to let the Dubs back in. Joe was apoplectic and went on and on about cynical fouling etc. etc. He was like a dog with a bone and his outbursts at the time had a lot to do with the introduction of the black card. Fast forward to the 2013 final when Mayo were trying to haul in the Dubs and were continuously fouled coming out of defence. Brolly's article the following week referenced the fouling but only in a brief comment about Dublin doing to Mayo what they had done the year before. Consistency isn't Joe's strong point and his shock and awe tactics are just designed to get attention and sell papers. He's still a legend over the kidney all the same.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 08/05/2016 10:54:43    1852915

Soma
I would not agree with you when you say it's laughable to think Kerry won all IRELANDS years ago because they were organised.
Off course they were organised, as were Dublin and a few more counties. Here's what I base my argument on---
Let's take Ulster as a starting point and take 1960 as a cut off point
By 1959 Kerry had 19 senior All Ireland titles Down won their FIRST Ulster title that year with their first All Ireland following the next year
Derry won their first Ulster title in 1958, Tyrone won their first title in 1956
Donegal made their FIRST ULSTER FINAL IN 1963( beaten by Down) and had to wait until1972 to win their FIRST ULSTER TITLE
So where do you think , since the foundation of the GAA was football most organised. Results say Kerry with Dublin a close second
After the partition of Ireland in 1921Ulster's fate was sealed for years as a GAA stronghold
Whatever about Cavan and Monaghan all the other seven counties seemed to struggle
When it took counties like Down Derry Tyrone and Donegal so long to won a provincial title it's easy to see how weak the GAA was in those counties and how badly organised it was

Now that was not the fault of the Gaels of those areas. The GAA was despised by the ruling class in the 6 Counties and GAA people harassed all the time. Emigration , coupled with being cut off almost entirely by the border ( three miles of Donegal join the republic) crippled Donegal. I left at 17 like thousands more , most never to return. Also up to the late 50's there were hiring fairs around Derry Donegal Tyrone where young people, boys and girls were hired out for 6 months to farmers. Most were aged around 15 /16/17 years of age
Plus since partition you had different uprisings/ border campaignes with young men jailed / interned/ shot / go on the run and harresment from the police forces. But thanks to dedicated Irish men and women of the six counties the Ulster championship survived, it's contested by the nine traditional counties of the Irish province of Ulster and is the most competitive championship of the four Provinces.
At this stage now Ulster and indeed the rest of Ireland are or at least should be as organised as Kerry or Dublin for that matter
And seeing that Ulster teams have won NINE OF THE LAST 25 All IRELANDS IMO without partition at least another 25 / 30 All IRELANDS would have come Ulster's way since the foundation of the GAA

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 08/05/2016 11:02:40    1852917

The right stuff
What they said about Donegal back then RS would not put me off Football
It would drive me on to support Donegal ( and J McGuinness) more and more. No way would I let any of their opinions put me down and to see ex players like Paul Current and his heading in the paper( evening herald was it)Pathetic Donegal after the 2011semi final only made me back Donegal and J McGuinness more and more.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 08/05/2016 11:13:02    1852920

Yerra Westkerry the minute I see that fella posting on anything to do with Kerry I just scroll down the page as fast as I can.

I imagine he was in the Peader O'Donnells some night and his butterman jibe got a little laugh so has he's delighted with himself.

Strange alright a fella from Derry having such a grudge.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 08/05/2016 11:14:55    1852921

Hermit
I never said I sided with L Hayes on what he said about the Kerry players/ manager. At the end of the day that is his opinion which he is entitled to.
But in hindsight ,maybe back then L H saw that this Kerry team was coming to an end. Results over the last year would indicate that they are
Since EF took over they have become a different team with them now setting up similar to teams like Donegal/ Tyrone.
Now I think he was wrong to complain about the treatment of K D. After the foul he done on M Murphy in Tralee plus another one on one of the McHughs plus did he not get sent off v Mayo in the next game then E F should never have opened his mouth
After all in 2014 final M Murphy was not given the freedom of Croke park thanks to A o Mahoney.
Also did E F not say after the Donnegal game that IF KERRY HAD A DISCIPLINE PROBLEM IT WOULD BE LOOKED AT.
A o Mahoneys antics with J Cooper would suggest ---(a) Kerry have a discipline problem and(b) E F has failed to act on it
We can talk all we want about all this but the GAA authorities are failing to act.
Look at the last few weeks in the premiership in England and the suspensions handed down. It dose not matter what game or games you are going to miss --- commit the crime-- do the time

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 08/05/2016 11:31:46    1852926

Brolly's article wasn't just about Kerry. It was tongue in cheek & to be honest I found parts of it very witty, especially the Alan Partridge comparisons.

The main issue relating to Kerry focuses on Fitzmaurice's accusations that Donaghy was "raped and pillaged". Whatever way we look at that, EF's words were not merely ill-chosen, they were offensive. In retrospect, I'm sure he realises he should have picked a less emotive phrase.

Irrespective of whether you think on the one hand that Donaghy is the big fella who rarely gets protection from the ref, or whether you view him as well able to give as good as he gets, Brolly's main point is that Fitzmaurice should not whinge about what happens when his own tactics come home to roost.

To be honest, I think he is right here. We have seen Kerry do the same thing throughout the League. It served them well & got them to a final. Those of us who were beaten by you, sucked it up. We had no choice, we bore you no ill-will, we moved on.

EF whinged about it & Brolly finds that absurd and cites many instances where Kerry have done exactly the same thing under his management. Many of us on here have lots of experience of our teams being similarly treated by Kerry. Brolly clarifies that Dublin were the better team and feels that Fitzmaurice is using the Donaghy treatment to deflect from that or to some-how explain the loss.

Brolly takes more of a pop at Bono than at Kerry to be honest & also lambasts the GAA for the laochra event which he clearly though was rubbish.


Brolly has given Kerry plenty of praise, fairly recently talking about their "Glorious foot-passing skills" in their "blitzing" of everyone throughout the League. In the same article, he queried how they would cope against the better teams, Dublin & Tyrone, he cited. In this latest article, we find the answer is 'not too well'.

This is the man who last year called Tyrone "rotten" and "cynical".
As for my own County team, he accused McGuinness of introducing "footebola", most recently we are a shambles, before even a ball has been kicked in the Championship. We are none of us immune from Brolly's sharp pen. What do we do, suck it up or complain?

Glynners (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 08/05/2016 11:50:34    1852933

Lads, it is blatantly obvious that Brolly builds teams up only to knock them down when it suits him. I think that he does it particularly so with Kerry. He might comment on kick passing or historic silken skills, but it is most likely only to allow perspective for himself to put the current kerry team against. He does this regularly. I think that because it is a free country, we should allow all comments and styles of journalism. It is not balanced journalism at all though.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 08/05/2016 12:43:03    1852950

The number of All Ireland titles a person has won does not necessarily make them any more knowledgeable about the game. Some of the greatest minds in the game may have won 2 or less All Ireland's, while a few cabbages probably won more that 2 in their time and are now licking stamps somewhere.

Sure we wouldn't crack Kerryman jokes if you were all genius material down there. But listen you do have a few smart footballing brains, but still for a County with 37 All Irelands won, your All Ireland success rate has been relatively low if you consider all those past All Ireland winners as greater experts by your reckoning. If the number of All Ireland titles won makes players have better footballing brains, you should have stood out more over the past 7 years.

Kerry won 20 or more All Ireland's before some current top counties had ever fielded serious teams or won provincials, clearly because Kerry were had a development system in place long before the game ever took off in a big way. I'm not saying it was a pre-planned development system, most likely it was just set up the right way in the beginning, and provided a platform for consistent success over the decades. Naturally gifted footballers, are generally footballers who are taught correctly at very young age, and as they get older, those skills look very natural as they showcased with ease.

Yes Kerry have reverted to defensive football, which was the smart move in fairness. Purist football was tactically ignorant in many ways, and the Buttermen thrived during that era. Since things have started requiring a greater tactical acumen, Kerry have struggled a lot more. Don't be embarrassed about Kerry becoming the leading cynical defensive outfit, they are only moving with the times. If you can't beat them, join them,,,,,is what Eamon Fitz says these days. Say no more.........

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts:2297 - 07/05/2016 18:16:16 1

You wonder at times when people get frustrated on this site with posts like the one above. It seems Gary you have been influenced a bit too much by Brollys opinions.

Ever since we won our first All Ireland in 1901 we have consistently repeated winning Sam (37 times) on average 3 times every decade and reached the final (58 times) on average every second year.

Gary you say Kerry have been most successful before teams fielded 'serious' teams. Not sure what era you think counties fielded serious teams but Im sure you'd agree most teams would have had a development system in place for quite a number of years by the year 2000. Since then we have reached the final 11 out of those 16 years which no county has even come close to matching. Its obvious your trying to diminish our success in some way, whether its labelling us the leading defensive cynical outfit or questioning our past success but its what is expected on here these days.

Kerry are not in such a bad state at the moment as you may think. We have reached the last two finals back to back which if happened in the majority of other counties it would be treated as one of their greatest teams as very few have achieved this.

Yes our success has not been perfect as you have said over the last seven years but apart from Dublin who deserve all there success for building a fine team, we are still next best team in that timeframe. Even though it looks like the dubs are bit ahead of the pack at the moment we hope we will regroup to challenge them over the next few years however much that sickens many people on here.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 08/05/2016 13:52:55    1852964

You have to take what Joe says with a pinch of salt, he changes his view like the wind. Joe has to struggle with his own counties status, due to their many false dawns since 1993 he is only able to either praise or criticise other counties. Gaa football has changed, will continue to change no matter what. Every team is physical in their approach and Kerry is no different, so if your unhappy with other teams try and funnel this energy into your county and support them all summer.

therapy (Tyrone) - Posts: 24 - 08/05/2016 14:40:13    1852979

Yerra Westkerry the minute I see that fella posting on anything to do with Kerry I just scroll down the page as fast as I can.

I imagine he was in the Peader O'Donnells some night and his butterman jibe got a little laugh so has he's delighted with himself.

Strange alright a fella from Derry having such a grudge.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts:1362 - 08/05/2016 11:14:55

Is it a grudge or Is it that I simply see things a little differently from the dogmatic view many paint.

I don't believe in naturally gifted Gaelic footballers who are simply born that way, I believe in footballers who were developed at a young age and taught all the skills correctly, who grow up and make skills look natural. I don't hate or have a grudge against Kerry as a County, I do dislike the arrogance often displayed on these forums by the Kerry posters, who then often try and dress it up in a modest form.

When I say arrogance, I refer the constant jibberish about "All Ireland's = Knowledge of the game", something 10 minutes of listening to Pat Spillane will dispel. And number of All Ireland's won does not reflect Individual talent, as many wonderful players never won All Irelands, due to playing in weaker or disorganised teams.

As for Buttermen, that's what you are is it not? Is Butter not your biggest export? Sperrin Metals is our biggest exporter, but I'm probably too modest to call us Men of steel or Ironmen. Pubs like Peadar's, The Dungloe, The Gweedore, Tinneys or the Telstar in Creggan would all get a laugh out of that, as it's less ironic than calling yourselves "The Kingdom", when no significant kingdom ever existed down there.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 08/05/2016 15:09:54    1852992

Kerry are not in such a bad state at the moment as you may think. We have reached the last two finals back to back which if happened in the majority of other counties it would be treated as one of their greatest teams as very few have achieved this.

Yes our success has not been perfect as you have said over the last seven years but apart from Dublin who deserve all there success for building a fine team, we are still next best team in that timeframe. Even though it looks like the dubs are bit ahead of the pack at the moment we hope we will regroup to challenge them over the next few years however much that sickens many people on here.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts:398 - 08/05/2016 13:52:55 185

I didn't say Kerry were in a bad state, although they do have the oldest panel out of all the top teams. I simply said that its true that they are cynical and they have converted to playing a defensive style of football under Eamon Fitzmaurice. I also stated that all Gaelic teams are cynical, and pretty much every team is now defensive by nature ( Playing sweepers). Kerry simply stand out now, because of their long term refusal to adopt such tactics.

I actually think the Kerry team of the 2000's would be a match for this Dublin side, if not better. But currently Kerry are well off that pace, and to be honest are amongst the other bunch of top teams looking to challenge Dublin. I mean you will probably win Munster, and have enough to reach the All Ireland Semi Final, but that's about it for this year. I see Mayo and Tyrone as Dublin's main threat this year, or teams most capable of beating Dublin. Kerry are on the wrong side of the hill, and Donegal look to be rebuilding. Monaghan don't look to have evolved enough to challenge, and Cork have the talent, but aren't there just yet.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 08/05/2016 15:23:19    1852997

Sam it's hard to figure out what you are trying to say in that post. Do you think every Kerry teenager goes into investment banking or IT in the skyscrapers of Dingle when they finish school? You will hear plenty of Kerry accents on the building sites of London and NY, sadly emigration hits all of the country hard not just Donegal. Before partition there was no Ulster winner of Sam. A great Down side finally reached the top in the 50s. Finn Harps, a Donegal side in soccer, had their most successful ever spell in the 70s, the 3 mile border didn't affect them much then. Kerry came out of Munster once between 1987-1995, and it was great to see as it gave counties like Donegal and Derry a chance to make the big breakthrough, despite all their footballers at that time growing up during the height of the troubles. And of course Kerrys most successful ever decade was the last one, surely most counties were organised by then? They would be well on track for another 5 All-Irelands this decade were it not for the brilliance of Dublin, a great and respected rival of theirs throughout the history of the game.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 08/05/2016 16:00:26    1853009

Soma you made excellent points, except that almost everyone in donegal played soccer instead of gaelic until the 1980s when the u21s won our first all ireland lots of people started to play it.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 08/05/2016 17:01:55    1853033