One thing he mentioned that stuck in my craw was that thing about Michael murphy being manhandled in the 2014 all ireland, and his praise for Jim Mcguinness in not mentioning it.
ah yes, that old, bizarre, GAA ideal that remaining silent in the face of an injustice is a sign of strength. if Donaghy is being given a rough ride by his markers, and is being fouled illegally, then Fitzmaurice is spot on to mention it.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 06/05/2016 15:17:20    1852600

And the whole world listen's to Conor McGregor's every word and he's laughing all the way to the bank.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts:7391 - 06/05/2016 12:44:33 1


He has laughed for about 2 years, but it seems his words only show up on twitter now rather than in front of live camera. I'd say he is still going to the bank all right, but I doubt he is laughing.

There is a lot to be said about respecting your opponent or fellow professionals. Brolly has trapped himself into a situation where people will switch off the radio or tv when he appears on air. Yes we are talking about him in this context, but not in the context of a respected sports person. I will read and listen to O'shea, Wheelan, Diarmuid Early, McGuinness and several others any day of the week without having to remind myself that they are attention seeking junkies. They are really reporting the facts with respect to boot.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 06/05/2016 16:14:18    1852619

I remember watching the 2014 semi-final replay between Kerry and Mayo and being amazed at how many frees Kerry got for non-existent fouls on Donaghy. Practically every time the ball was booted in to him, the ref gave him a free even though he and his man were just jostling for position under the dropping ball. Kerry's last two frees in normal time and first two in extra-time all came from tap-over frees that should never have been given and without them Kerry would have lost. I'm glad Brolly mentioned this in his article and I have no sympathy for Donaghy.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 996 - 06/05/2016 17:15:03    1852629

Actually on that last post Rightstuff:

The full text of the specific article I'm talking about was posted on the KerryGAA forum at the time:

http://kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/2902/liam-hayes-article-sunday-tribune

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts:1357 - 06/05/2016 14:41:23

Grotesque is right - that is a ridiculous article . It is so easy for these guys to have a pop.

It is a pity about Brolly because he actually has a really good football brain and is a very intelligent and articulate guy - his comments however can be nasty .

Jim McGuinness shipped some outrageous abuse too. Yes I know the football was not everyone's cup of tea but like the Gooch et al , Jim was dedicating his life to the cause of our games ( and yes to themselves but you know what I mean )

McGuinness , Tomas O Se , Whelan , Horan and Early are all top notch analysts. They can read a game , give criticism but not insult . There is a big difference .

Sadly these other guys get the top jobs because the masses of 'half arsed fans' enjoy it.

Not me .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 06/05/2016 17:28:46    1852635

I remember reading that article hermit.He certainly went way overboard in his criticism of Kerry,nearly making a complete mockery of that team.Pretty vindictive stuff.For the record,i never liked him as a journalist.Thank God he's nowhere to be seen these days.Pity he couldn't take Tommy Carr with him.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 06/05/2016 17:45:27    1852641

Joe became a panto character a long time ago. He clearly models himself on Eamon Dunphy. He wants to court controversy, he wants to be unpredictable, he wants to be emotional in front of the cameras and he wants to spark off the other pundits in front of large TV audiences, even Lyster from time to time. This why editors pay him to fill column space and why he gets the repeat TV gigs. He's not there for his insight into the game. The parallels with Dunphy are striking. It's all about Joe, it always has been about Joe and it always will be about Joe. He is not an analyst at all. What you have to love about these guys is that they write/say something one week and when they do a complete u-turn the following nobody ever challenges them. That's the beauty about being one of these untouchables.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 06/05/2016 19:27:37    1852653

The Hermit
I never said I hated Kerry , it's you that thinks I do so I'm not a member of the ' hate Kerry Brigade' ----- if such a brigade exists
It's not J Brolly I want people to express their opinion about--- it E F complaining about the treatment of K Donaghey --- is he justified in complaining ??
As J B pointed out about the treatment of M Murphy in 2014 final , where I thought A o Mahoney should have been booked early on I'm sure E F has his defenders well briefed to stop M Murphy and I would not say he was too worried by what means.
Plus think back a few weeks, Donegal v Kerry and K Donaghey manhandling M Murphy and did not even get a card for the foul he committed. How you can grab hold of a player like K D done with M M and escape a booking gets me
Also the media over hyped EF IMO after he won the 2014 All Ireland plus the following spring all the talk about T Walsh returning and the Gooch back from injury and what a team Kerry would have in 2015.
Now we all know how T Walsh fared out , he made very few appearances for Kerry.
Also Hermit I have got over the 2014 final defeat long long time ago I'd say i got over it a lot quicker than some Kerry supporters did over the Tyrone defeats

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 06/05/2016 21:17:25    1852667

True Avonli: the worst thing is he is obviously such an intelligent, engaging, entertaining and funny guy.

He could be a really brilliant sports columnist but he just seems to enjoy being a pantomime too much.

Like yourself, I stopped taking anything he said to heart the time he called Gooch a choker. A man that has been top scorer in how many All Ireland finals, 4-5?!!!

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts:1357 - 06/05/2016 14:33:01 1852585
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I agree.He is intelliigent. Funny thing: he attended a big charity 'do' down in Kerry with Ciaran Donaghy and he was treated very well. Donaghy doesn't hold a grudge. But I am related to a Kerry great who will never forgive him - and I don't blame him one bit.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 06/05/2016 21:52:31    1852677

Yes Joe has some intelligence but can be very inconsistent, loves the limelight and name dropping.

Seems to thrive on being personally offensive to some players/managers and never ever apologises.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 506 - 07/05/2016 10:23:33    1852691

Read the L Hayes article and its obvious it did not go down too well in Kerry.
But was it any worse on P Spillane attacking Tyrone ( v Kerry 2003) and puke football. ?
Or take 2011 semi final ( Donegal v Dublin) and I still have five or six papers ( the Monday after ones) with nearly all the sports reporters and ex GAA players included really going to town on Donegal and Jim MC Guinness I think we took more stick than any other county in the history of the GAA over that game.
Must say I'm still proud of J MC Guinness to set up the way he did in that game. We made all the people who ran us down in 2011 eat humble pie in September 2012
Also don't forget Tyrone took a lot of stick last year over the T McCann affair so the bottom line is if you are fairly successful it s open season on you by some of the media. And I'd say Ulster counties get more S..t fired at them than Kerry or Dublin
But returning to L Hayes and that article , leaving aside his attack on Gooch Star and o Connor I think he saw that Kerry were on a downhill slope and the results prove it , win Sam in 2009 and very lucky to win again in 2014 plus Kerry are being totally dominated by Dublin in the last couple finals in Croke park
Considering how handy it is to win Munster( only ONE COUNTY outside of Cork or Kerry to have won Munster in 80 years) comparing to say Ulster and Kerry more or less go through to The quarter finals year in year out.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 07/05/2016 11:21:38    1852702

Disgraceful comments from brolly.kerry don't engage in cynical tactics and play football in the right way

dbirdkyforsam16 (Kerry) - Posts: 56 - 07/05/2016 13:40:16    1852734

In the name of God Samuel, not only are you on here agreeing with Brolly's rubbish your now defending Hayes!!!

And you still maintain you've no issue with Kerry? Give over man, I well remember your posts from around the 2014 final. Childish bregudergy was all it was.


Cue your damn straight about Carr, he doesn't have the best managerial record himself. Did he even win a Leinster with ye?

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 07/05/2016 13:57:10    1852739

I don't always agree with Joe Brolly, and I think he does like the limelight a lot.

In saying that, Kerry's football style has changed drastically since 2013, anybody failing to see that must have recorded GAA gold instead of the Sunday game matches. With regards cynical play, Aidan O'Mahony and Kieran Donaghey in particular stand out, some of the carry on they've been at during the league this year has been disgraceful. Had they played for other counties, it probably wouldn't be tolerated as long.

However I think we need to be fair, every top team are cynical in one way or another. Kerry are probably getting highlighted because they were for so long the bastions of the traditional football, who have now conformed to the dreaded defensive style.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/05/2016 15:50:08    1852755

Nonsense kerry don't get involved in cynical side of things.in my 50 years following kerry we are the purists of the game and play football the right way.we don't blanket defence as the most natural footballers in the land.we have 37 titles to prove it. Brolly has only 1 all ireland gouch has 5 titles say no more....

dbirdkyforsam16 (Kerry) - Posts: 56 - 07/05/2016 17:07:28    1852776

Nonsense kerry don't get involved in cynical side of things.in my 50 years following kerry we are the purists of the game and play football the right way.we don't blanket defence as the most natural footballers in the land.we have 37 titles to prove it. Brolly has only 1 all ireland gouch has 5 titles say no more....

dbirdkyforsam16 (Kerry) - Posts:32 - 07/05/2016 17:07:28

The number of All Ireland titles a person has won does not necessarily make them any more knowledgeable about the game. Some of the greatest minds in the game may have won 2 or less All Ireland's, while a few cabbages probably won more that 2 in their time and are now licking stamps somewhere.

Sure we wouldn't crack Kerryman jokes if you were all genius material down there. But listen you do have a few smart footballing brains, but still for a County with 37 All Irelands won, your All Ireland success rate has been relatively low if you consider all those past All Ireland winners as greater experts by your reckoning. If the number of All Ireland titles won makes players have better footballing brains, you should have stood out more over the past 7 years.

Kerry won 20 or more All Ireland's before some current top counties had ever fielded serious teams or won provincials, clearly because Kerry were had a development system in place long before the game ever took off in a big way. I'm not saying it was a pre-planned development system, most likely it was just set up the right way in the beginning, and provided a platform for consistent success over the decades. Naturally gifted footballers, are generally footballers who are taught correctly at very young age, and as they get older, those skills look very natural as they showcased with ease.

Yes Kerry have reverted to defensive football, which was the smart move in fairness. Purist football was tactically ignorant in many ways, and the Buttermen thrived during that era. Since things have started requiring a greater tactical acumen, Kerry have struggled a lot more. Don't be embarrassed about Kerry becoming the leading cynical defensive outfit, they are only moving with the times. If you can't beat them, join them,,,,,is what Eamon Fitz says these days. Say no more.........

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/05/2016 18:16:16    1852809

Wasnt it the Gooch himself who said if he was starting out now he wouldnt get a look in?
Ye can all slag kerry all ye like but i think its a terrible shame that skill is being overlooked in favour of physicality. Lots of gloating here by people who say kerry have succumbed to modern style football, but I think its sad, and i think the game is the worse for it tbh.
when i was growing up, watching footballers would make you want to play football. Nowadays watching footballers would make you want to go to the gym.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 07/05/2016 18:33:19    1852817

Cuimhnigh ar Luimneach
Good to see that we are not the only ones that remember Limerick!!

liner (Mayo) - Posts: 756 - 07/05/2016 18:55:44    1852828

Aye John, when you think about it, would the likes of Maurice Fitz or Padraig Joyce be told today there too slight for the game. Would that effortless style of Maurices be tolerated anymore in these days of expecting fellas running a half marathon when there on the pitch.

Rugby and Gaa seem to be going the same way, the days of the small nippy fella are almost gone. More's the shame.

By the way admin I salute your censoring skills, how you turned my comments about Tommy Carr's into 'he didn't have the greatest managerial career himself' is a mini masterpiece of pcness

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 07/05/2016 19:03:34    1852830

While Brolly has a tendency to have a pop or hyperbole stuff and im not a great fan of reading or listening to him, i do think he has a point here with his "mean spirited" comments, i couldnt get over Kerry's, shall we say "over physical approach", penchant for good fouls, off the ball antics at the match a couple of weeks ago.As a graduate of some wonderful footballing expierences between Dublin and Kerry, it was lamentable to see this great county of footballing tradition play the game thus, i was really surprised as theire was joy to be had playing their natural game in the opening half of the game, Kerry werent to far away playing the game we all associate with them. For me the Dongahey comments about frees were a bit embarrassing after the game, given the nature of the player himself, how he actually played the game and the fact that Kerry had a player given his marching orders, additionally iheard nothing in the media about the 'tackle' on Jonny Cooper - strangely there was no footage of it, imagine if was that Dermo Connolly or Philly McMahon.i can understand a method has to be found to beat this Dublin team,. While the Dublin game prob ramped it up a little bit with the accusation that they had no fight last Sep, Dublinrecord against this team, this current style isnt isolated, how many incidents have happened throughout the league. The Donegal game also stands out. Some soul searching to be done in Kerry football for me, its at the point were their reputation for playing wonderful football is being besmirched, I found it very sad personally. But agreed broadly Brolly is having a pop here, doesn't mean there aren't salient points though just because it's him.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/05/2016 20:13:34    1852854

You can still be a knacky forward in this modern game too, we have a few!

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 07/05/2016 20:26:35    1852859