Realman2,
Maybe you should read what your own manager has to say on the matter.
Try getting your own house in order first and then you might get a few results.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts:683 - 04/05/2016 14:48:08 1851954

"what ever get our house in order" means I'm not sure if you want to be more specific.

I think its more likely we won't bother trying so hard to improve so we can have the honour of getting within 10 points of a runaway freight train. We all have clubs to support & take care of and the only reason anyone likes to go to the casino is that they have a chance of winning something meaningful if you catch my drift.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts:335 - 04/05/2016 16:01:14 1851979

If you are unable to understand something as basic as what that means I doubt you are of much use to your county or club for that matter.
Oh ! And I'm sure your defeatist and negative attitude won't work in your favour either.
Best of luck now .

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 04/05/2016 18:17:08    1852051

You know a lot of sports fans are very depressive about their team, doesn't make them depressed or bed ridden.

I might watch a bit of Mayo and certain Ulster games and when Cork play kerry but you're a sadist if you watch the leinster championship in my opinion but suit yourself.

realman2 (Kildare)

I'm not saying the Leinster championship is exactly edge of the seat stuff but I'll still watch it, just as I'd watch anything else on offer once the championship starts. If you don't, it's difficult to comment on it.

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 04/05/2016 18:17:51    1852052

The Leinster Championship from the 80's through to the noughties was the most interesting provincial championship in terms of excitement, competitiveness and variety with lots of different winners and very good matches year on year.

Now it's totally unwatchable as it's a case of which animal is to be slaughtered and devoured by the Blue Juggernaut in Croke Park.

Connacht at least has 3 good sides with Sligo capable of causing an upset, Munster has Kerry and Cork and while the others probably wont win it bar Waterford they wont be petrified of suffering a devastating defeat with Ulster being the most competitive of the lot.

KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 04/05/2016 19:01:57    1852066

In 2009 Dublin were beaten out the door by Kerry in the quarter final and throughout the noughties they were constantly beaten by the top teams. Their change in fortune in recent times has more to do with the hard work done by this group of players and Jim Gavin in particular rather then advantages which keep being raised after any success by the dubs.

Of course its difficult for the likes of Kildare in Leinster but they have been slipping since 2010 and getting worse every year...If your getting beat by Clare and concede 7 goals in an all Ireland quarter final then that has nothing to do with the dubs.

Cian O Neill is right these periods of success seem to come in cycles. I dont think Fitzmaurice, Mickey Harte and other managers from the top counties would be so defeatist as some on here and fully believe they can go all the way this year. At the end of the day its a knock out competition and as shown in 2014 anything can happen on a given day.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 04/05/2016 19:17:04    1852069

Realman2 you can hardly pick something so diverse as the Olympics to demonstrate that population plus money means success. You might as well be debating which countries are better than most at everything. We are talking about a focused activity here. In fact soccer would be a better analogy would it not and again the population and money myth is busted there. Tennis likewise. You see a lot of it is down to application. Kilkenny concentrate on hurling. The schools, the clubs. They apply themselves. Same with Kerry in football. As for the Munster football championship, only one other county outside of Kerry and Cork has won the title in the past 80 years. Kerry have won five of the last six and there is no sign of that ending any time soon. The problem with Leinster is that the county boards of the other big 2, Kildare and Meath, are a shambles. That was the case before 2011 when Dublin got this exceptional group of playets together. It spoke volumes for Leinster that Dublin were winning it and then getting hockeyed outside of it. So other Leinster counties simply haven't been up to standard. Dublin have been the last few years but the others have not lifted their levels. This is hardly Dublin's fault.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 04/05/2016 20:45:28    1852101

Joxer he can.....and should.....make those Olympic comparisons.

Because as soon as London and New York get their house in order we are all doomed because of their population advantage.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 04/05/2016 21:04:36    1852107

Think realman2 has had enough attention , thank god sportsmen don't think like some on here , no substitute for heart . if realman2 can't think of at least ten David Goliath stories he can't be much of a sports fan .
By the way he's on about advantages blah blah blah , his county board built a centre of excellence , they spent millions on it , excellent when driving in to it , good decent dressing rooms all pitches floodlights , then unfortunately you see the sand based pitches two things, not fit for purpose to small for hurling 65s taken from the half way line , the pitches rock hard no grass . I wouldn't in trust whoever was in charged with the centre of excellence with cutting my back garden.

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 04/05/2016 21:12:05    1852110

Think realman2 has had enough attention , thank god sportsmen don't think like some on here , no substitute for heart .
Damothedub

I seriously doubt sportsmen are that naïve.

If there is no substitute for heart then why bother with all the investment in training in the first place?
Talk is cheap. You can make all the right noises you like, but your actions speak in polar opposite terms.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 05/05/2016 09:39:12    1852159

Realman2 you can hardly pick something so diverse as the Olympics to demonstrate that population plus money means success. You might as well be debating which countries are better than most at everything. We are talking about a focused activity here. In fact soccer would be a better analogy would it not and again the population and money myth is busted there.

Joxer

That's a very strange point of view; that because the olympics is diverse its not a good measure. That is the opposite to what is actually true. Statistical analysis would usually work on the premise that the more diverse and all encompassing the sample data the more accurate the results.

But as I keep saying on this suit yourself.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 05/05/2016 09:40:43    1852161

all All ireland are noteworthy - being from limerick we konw how hard won they are

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 05/05/2016 10:02:26    1852170

janesboro, of course they are, the question was are they as noteworthy as other wins; say tyrone in the 00s for example.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 05/05/2016 10:14:02    1852177

Realman2 you can hardly pick something so diverse as the Olympics to demonstrate that population plus money means success.

Dare I ask why you would believe this when staticians would tell you that the more diverse and all encompassing the data used the more accurate the results. I.e. What you say is actually the opposite of the truth.

What you say about soccer being a more accurate measure is so so wrong. China & India aren't any good at soccer because they don't play the game so they don't invest in it. To spell it out : You can't be good at football if you don't own a football. Same with the US until recently.

The olympics medal is actually an outstanding example of how investment + population = success because its so diverse but it doesn't fit your narrative so i can understand why you come out saying things about it not being an accurate measure.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 05/05/2016 10:36:41    1852192

Think realman2 has had enough attention , thank god sportsmen don't think like some on here , no substitute for heart .
Damothedub

I seriously doubt sportsmen are that naïve.

If there is no substitute for heart then why bother with all the investment in training in the first place?
Talk is cheap. You can make all the right noises you like, but your actions speak in polar opposite terms.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts:15526 - 05/05/2016 09:39:12


Point seems to escape you completely , read what the Kildare coach said its the opposite of Realman2, which now that I think about it is possibly the most ironic name on here , I was pointing out that regardless of our advantages when teams take to the field they are at nowhere if they don't believe in themselves or feel sorry for themselves ,did you even bother to read the article ? is irony lost on you ? if everyone thought like realman sport would be screwed .
On another note Ive watching the exchanges and in farness was wondering where you where as I knew this would be right up your street , cut from the same cloth.
Id say Leicester City would shi7 themselves if you or Realman went into management

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 05/05/2016 10:53:00    1852200

What do you mean noteworthy? Who is to be the arbiter of what does and doesn't constitute 'noteworthiness'. Dublin's fans will certainly value and cherish another title. Dublin's name will be etched on Sam. The records will show we were champions. If other counties begrudge us that success and don't deem our achievements as noteworthy that won't matter a damn whatsoever.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 05/05/2016 11:08:19    1852206

Master
Are Mayos consistent failures as noteworthy as, say, Monaghans
When u consider the massive budget ye have in comparison to them?
In fact given the massive budget ye have in comparison to at least 90% of the country, are Mayo's failings actually on a spectacular level compared to the rest???
And could this be the root of your own personal bitterness?

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 05/05/2016 11:33:17    1852224

Actually the Olympic narrative re-enforces a lot of points.
How much money does the likes of Great Britain or even the USA pump into say long distance running? How many long distance runners do they produce and out of that large number, how many, realistically can compete with the Kenyan's and Ethiopians?
Compare the Kenyan and Ethiopian olympic budgets (never mind money made from advertising) against Great Britain and the US and it paints a very clear picture that some are just simply better than others regardless of money and preparation.

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 05/05/2016 11:36:01    1852227

Actually the Olympic narrative re-enforces a lot of points.
How much money does the likes of Great Britain or even the USA pump into say long distance running? How many long distance runners do they produce and out of that large number, how many, realistically can compete with the Kenyan's and Ethiopians?
Compare the Kenyan and Ethiopian olympic budgets (never mind money made from advertising) against Great Britain and the US and it paints a very clear picture that some are just simply better than others regardless of money and preparation.

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts:263 - 05/05/2016 11:36:01 1852227

Yeah, Kerry are like Ethopian/kenya at long distance running, its in their blood/history to be good at GAA. But Kenya don't win many medals at swimming or fencing or horse jumping.

Dublin GAA on the other hand are like the USA competing with countries that have 20% of their population and money such as South Africa. Their financial might and population means they can't be anything but dominant.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 05/05/2016 12:01:01    1852236

realman, if your gonna bring population into it then Kildare are like India in soccer
MASSIVE population when compared to the rest, but still clean useless!!!
What excuse have ye!?

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 05/05/2016 12:16:58    1852246

Point seems to escape you completely , read what the Kildare coach said its the opposite of Realman2, which now that I think about it is possibly the most ironic name on here , I was pointing out that regardless of our advantages when teams take to the field they are at nowhere if they don't believe in themselves or feel sorry for themselves ,did you even bother to read the article ? is irony lost on you ? if everyone thought like realman sport would be screwed .
On another note Ive watching the exchanges and in farness was wondering where you where as I knew this would be right up your street , cut from the same cloth.
Id say Leicester City would shi7 themselves if you or Realman went into management

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:3283 - 05/05/2016 10:53:00 1852200

Relax lad, you're getting wound up.

Cian's thoughts are fine but I don't subscribe to his thinking. He thinks Dublin are in a cycle of great teams which will end in a few years. I see this as more of a takeover. But he might be right and I might be wrong. His opinion is more important than mine so i guess we'll see.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 05/05/2016 12:21:35    1852248

I see the Dubs are now having to deal with the 'handy' All-Ireland's jibe that Kerry have been putting up with for 20 years.

Only fair I suppose ;)

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 05/05/2016 12:25:47    1852253