Those figures are for 2012 published in 2013. Don't know where you got 2011 from. Its in the first paragraph what year the figures were for!

Funny that I'm the one getting accused of mixing/making things up.

The figures themselves only seem to be tracking day to day expenses not capital expenditure and its very bottom line. Is it just for income and expediture earned rather than including grants from the GAA and the Department of Sport and the sport's council. Is it just for senior team expenses or all expediture?

If you want to be in the detail like I am about the GAA's finances that article raises a lot more questions than it answers.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 04/05/2016 14:08:08    1851932

Of all the arguments that go i do find the "Dublin needs more money as they are fighting with other sports such as rugby or soccer" the funniest of all.

You would swear that rugby and soccer is only played in Dublin and nowhere else in the country.

Competing with rugby and soccer is a huge issue countrywide, in every county town and village. As far as arguments go its the weakest of the lot. I come from a rural club and never had the option of playing rugby for example, played a bit of soccer during my time alright. No one who played GAA with me played rugby. Now our adult team is down 3 players until rugby finishes and 1 player is gone completely to rugby. I train underage in the club and at every age group there are 3 to 5 lads playing rugby as an example. Rugby and soccer coaches are in the primary schools.

At last count there are close to 75 rugby clubs now in leinster and growing as an example. Soccer has always been there in every rural parish in the country. This idea that Dublin needs more money because they are fighting for the hearts of the kids against Rugby and Soccer for example is as lame as it gets. There are the same issues around the country not just in Dublin.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1341 - 04/05/2016 14:08:54    1851933

Realman2,
Maybe you should read what your own manager has to say on the matter.
Try getting your own house in order first and then you might get a few results.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 04/05/2016 14:48:08    1851954

Realman2, nowhere have I said that you are making things up and as you can see, neither am I. That's a very simple income, expenditure, margin report across all county boards. I notice that you haven't responded to any of my points. Your analysis is totally flawed but that suits your argument I suppose. Tearintom, I'll use a local analogy to emphasise the problem that the GAA faces in Dublin. Castleknock GAA is situated right beside Castleknock Celtic FC. Up to the age of U9/U10 most of the kids are playing both sports. Beyond that, as training moves to 2 days a week for each, the kids, or their parents, have to make a decision as to which sport they opt for. The better run club, with facilities, academy, coaching staff etc is in with a very good shout. Now amplify this local problem across the 350 or so GAA clubs and then throw in other sports like Basketball (reputed to be the fastest growing sport in Ireland). It's a big problem. Granted not unique to Dublin but given population size, number of clubs and it's a bigger problem. To downplay all of the other ingredients that add up to a successfull IC panel, in favour of the lazy population/money argument, is simply being disrespectful to all of the local club volunteers who expend huge amounts of time and effort at underage level to provide the stars of tomorrow.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 04/05/2016 15:41:15    1851970

Realman2,
Maybe you should read what your own manager has to say on the matter.
Try getting your own house in order first and then you might get a few results.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts:683 - 04/05/2016 14:48:08 1851954

"what ever get our house in order" means I'm not sure if you want to be more specific.

I think its more likely we won't bother trying so hard to improve so we can have the honour of getting within 10 points of a runaway freight train. We all have clubs to support & take care of and the only reason anyone likes to go to the casino is that they have a chance of winning something meaningful if you catch my drift.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 04/05/2016 16:01:14    1851979

I think you actually have to spend money in the casino in return for a chance of winning, Realman. It's not good enough to sneak in, use the facilities, fill your pockets up with buffet food and make for the door. Speculate to accumulate and all that.

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 04/05/2016 16:08:43    1851984

Realman2, nowhere have I said that you are making things up and as you can see, neither am I. That's a very simple income, expenditure, margin report across all county boards. I notice that you haven't responded to any of my points. Your analysis is totally flawed but that suits your argument I suppose.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts:2647 - 04/05/2016 15:41:15 18519

No it was the other lad who would be better off staying away from adult conversation. I didn't say it was you.

Does it not make sense that the population and funding advantages Dublin enjoy where there is proof from the GAA itself that what the rest of the country receive in total Dublin receive by themselves when they already have the sponsorship edge which they of course should keep is a huge reason for their dominance?

Is that flawed analysis? Seems obvious to me that is the reason Dublin have these trophies. What is the reason Dublin have this edge? What are the points i've failed to respond to?

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 04/05/2016 16:19:51    1851988

I think you actually have to spend money in the casino in return for a chance of winning, Realman. It's not good enough to sneak in, use the facilities, fill your pockets up with buffet food and make for the door. Speculate to accumulate and all that.

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts:912 - 04/05/2016 16:08:43 18519

To spell it out..If you and me go to a casino and I have a considerably bigger chance of winning just because of where I'm from. Do you think you will go to that casino often?

The casino being Croke park and watching your team play Dublin when they have no realistic chance of winning.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 04/05/2016 16:22:51    1851991

But again Realman you are stating that population plus money equals success. Clearly this is not the case, I've given you several examples. There are many other agreements which you fail to mention. Mayo, Kerry, Kilkenny in hurling, Tyrone, Donegal, are not where they are due to population and money. This current Dublin panel were largely in situ in 2009/10. How long prior to that do you think large sums of money would have had to be invested to make them good players? It was actually changes in management, work ethos and strategy that made them successful in 2011. Nothing to do with money.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 04/05/2016 16:38:37    1852002

To spell it out..If you and me go to a casino and I have a considerably bigger chance of winning just because of where I'm from. Do you think you will go to that casino often?
The casino being Croke park and watching your team play Dublin when they have no realistic chance of winning.
realman2 (Kildare)


Nothing like having to explain your own analogies, is there?

I'd worry about beating us before you starting panicking about the Dubs...........

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 04/05/2016 16:55:22    1852011

But again Realman you are stating that population plus money equals success. Clearly this is not the case, I've given you several examples. There are many other agreements which you fail to mention. Mayo, Kerry, Kilkenny in hurling, Tyrone, Donegal, are not where they are due to population and money. This current Dublin panel were largely in situ in 2009/10. How long prior to that do you think large sums of money would have had to be invested to make them good players? It was actually changes in management, work ethos and strategy that made them successful in 2011. Nothing to do with money.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts:2648 - 04/05/2016 16:38:37 185200


Donegal, kerry, Mayo, Kilkenny & Tyrone all had large investment and kerry like kilkenny just have something in the water down there as well as tradition. They aren't the biggest counties but they aren't Louth, offaly & roscommon either. You know what the last county to win an All ireland when they were in the bottom half of the population table in Ireland were: OFFALY IN 1982 and the rural/city divide would be a lot less back then. 34 years ago. Every team in the intervening years has had a top half population level. What does that tell you?

But listen believe want you want but don't tell me there is anything in my analysis that is flawed.


Here is the current all time olympic table and tell me how many small countries with a lack of money are in there? Investment + Population = Success with very few exceptions.

All-Time Summer Medal Standings, 1896-2012
Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total
1 United States of America 1018 824 710 2552
2 USSR 473 376 355 1204
3 Germany 232 235 251 718
4 Italy 227 189 211 627
5 Great Britain 217 258 262 737
6 France 217 239 273 729
7 Democratic Republic of Germany 192 165 162 519
8 Sweden 190 192 222 604
9 China 172 135 122 429
10 Norway 161 154 133 448
11 Hungary 159 143 163 465
12 Russia 145 130 138 413
13 Finland 142 142 171 455
14 Australia 136 138 167 441
15 Japan 132 124 141 397
16 Canada 110 139 156 405
17 The Netherlands 100 110 121 331
18 South Korea 91 88 81 260
19 Switzerland 89 107 111 307
20 Romania 86 89 117 292

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 04/05/2016 16:55:53    1852012

dear oh dear....

Dublin lads ye are worse.. this thread would have died long ago!

"Flawed with my analysis"

Hahahaha

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 04/05/2016 17:05:39    1852015

So when was this golden era when everything was different and Louth, Roscommon and Offaly (to use your 3 examples) could go toe-to-toe with the best of them and stand an equal chance of success?

Seriously Realman you're going to depress yourself carrying on like this. Never mind, summer's coming.

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 04/05/2016 17:09:12    1852018

I'd worry about beating us before you starting panicking about the Dubs...........

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts:913 - 04/05/2016 16:55:22 1852011

Who cares? We're all cannon fodder. In it to take part not actually come within an donkey's roar of winning anything.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 04/05/2016 17:11:26    1852019

Who cares? We're all cannon fodder. In it to take part not actually come within an donkey's roar of winning anything.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts:332 - 04/05/2016 17:11:26

http://www.hoganstand.com/Dublin/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=254643

One is a sportsman , the other wont even try

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 04/05/2016 17:30:38    1852029

Who cares? We're all cannon fodder. In it to take part not actually come within an donkey's roar of winning anything.
realman2 (Kildare)


You know, I'd generally consider myself a pessimist but I'm not so sure after this little exchange. If you feel this way about everything in life you must have real difficulty getting up in the morning to face it all over again??

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 04/05/2016 17:33:18    1852030

You know, I'd generally consider myself a pessimist but I'm not so sure after this little exchange. If you feel this way about everything in life you must have real difficulty getting up in the morning to face it all over again??

You know a lot of sports fans are very depressive about their team, doesn't make them depressed or bed ridden.

I might watch a bit of Mayo and certain Ulster games and when Cork play kerry but you're a sadist if you watch the leinster championship in my opinion but suit yourself.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 04/05/2016 17:44:05    1852036

http://www.hoganstand.com/Dublin/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=254643

One is a sportsman , the other wont even try

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:3280 - 04/05/2016 17:30:38 1852029

He kind of has to say that doesn't he? I'm allowed to say what I think. Good luck to him.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 04/05/2016 17:45:24    1852038

Check your history Realman. I think you'll find that the Munster championship is in a far worse state, Connaught not far behind and Ulster getting there. All nothing to do with the advantaged Dubs I might add!

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 04/05/2016 17:50:44    1852041

Check your history Realman. I think you'll find that the Munster championship is in a far worse state, Connaught not far behind and Ulster getting there. All nothing to do with the advantaged Dubs I might add!

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts:2649 - 04/05/2016 17:50:44 1

History: Dublin have won 10 of the past 11 and is a no contest. No other province like anything near that level of dominance but suit yourself.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 04/05/2016 18:00:48    1852045