I'm Kerry to the core but man you have to tip your hat to Dublin.
Kerry will come again but it's hard not appreciate the likes of Connolly & killkenny.
If you are a football fan then you can only admire this team.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 25/04/2016 18:44:16    1849414

If I catch your drift then Mayo's 2013 defeat of London in McHale Park really only counts as a tenth of a Connacht title......ahh, now I see your point . . .
interesting....,is there a doctor in the house???

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 25/04/2016 19:05:27    1849423

Westkerry i will have to meet u in the seven hogs over the summer for a pint and a football chat. Maybe some sunday theres a game on the box. Always a pleasure to talk ball with a fella who's opinion u appreciate.

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 25/04/2016 19:15:06    1849431

Absolutely Liam it would be a pleasure.
Serious postmortem on terrace talk this evening but the consensus is we didn't have the legs yesterday that's hardly going to get better by August.
As much as people think we are sore losers and I'm sure some are but tune in on a Monday at 6 then you will hear the appreciation of Dublin football.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 25/04/2016 19:42:02    1849442

Fair play westkerry ,you have to laugh at some of the sad stuff this poor individual comes out with in his hatred of all things Dublin.
God knows but even most of the decent Mayo posters see him/her as an embarrassment .

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 25/04/2016 19:48:46    1849447

This Dublin team is fully deserving of all their titles and all the praise lavished on them and so is their 'bench'. The outlook for other counties is fairly bleak. Dublin have a huge number of players to choose from. When you get a coach as good as Gavin to harness and develop the potential that's there you get the power packed, free flowing football that we are seeing now and that is the envy of every othe county. Due to the comptition for places on the team, no player, not even the most established, can rest on his laurels. Despite the pressure this brings, it must be fantastic to play on this team. How can other teams rise to a competitive level?. I don't know, but it's a worry, not just for individual counties but for the GAA in general.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 25/04/2016 19:58:03    1849452

As a outsiders perspective I understand the arguments about resources & Croke Park for league games etc.
However the truth is Dublin got their house in order.
They where going nowhere from 95-2011, some lads were happy to wear the Dublin tracksuit and all that brings.
They had to get their structures together , development squads but most importantly that winning mentality.
The scary thing is its like Ireland in the world cup, every kid wants to be a soccer player.. Dublin winning will have the same effect.
Every kid will want an ONeills... God help us

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 25/04/2016 20:13:23    1849459

There are some amazing Mayo posters on here, but there are posters like the Master and Paddyogall are just manure stirrers and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 25/04/2016 20:30:18    1849473

Think what some people are forgetting here is you can have all the resources you want, you can make the ideal training conditions and build the best facilities but great sporting sides the world have had periods of dominance when they're so good, it almost seems hopeless turning up against them. Look at Liverpool in the 70s & 80s, who would ever have predicted they would go 26 years and counting without another title? Or that Man Utd would ever be also rans again, or the Lakers & the Celtics in NBA, Wigan in rugby league, Toulon in rugby union, the Spanish national soccer team...............nothing, NOTHING lasts forever because at some stage there will be a lull when the next crop of players simply aren't as good.

I mean look at Bernard Brogan, fantastic player and deserves all the praise he's getting on his own thread and elsewhere. But you can't say the money will create a ready made replacement. It's a mixture of nature and nurture and there are some aspects of natural flair and skill that some are born with and most are not.

Personally, and no harm to the Dubs or Kerrymen on this thread, I would like to see Mayo win the AI simply because it's beyond my understanding what it must be like to wait that long. I mean you'd have to be well into your 70s to have any memory of it at all for God sake. My Uncle Jim who's also well into his snooker always calls them the Jimmy White of football.

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 25/04/2016 20:36:52    1849478

Amazed any Dublin poster with more than 10 posts is even debating this.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 25/04/2016 20:49:53    1849483

As noteworthy as any title that's gone before. Quite the bizarre thread it has to be said!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 25/04/2016 20:56:11    1849485

Anyone who has watched football over the last 30-40yrs will tell you the NFL is better, more professional, organised and competitive than ever. The idea that we actually have distintive separate divisions and we aren't tinkering and messing with the leagues proves that a NFL is more meaningful now than ever in its history. To play in the NFL div 1 you have to be serious outfit, to win it you are the best - to do what Dublin have done is significant and historic, to say otherwise is ridicious.

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 25/04/2016 21:15:28    1849495

The achievements of this team are noteworthy. Dublin have many advantages but many of these always potentially existed but were not made to count, in fairness to Dublin a big amount of work in recent years has now allowed them to harness these advantages. Talking about competition structures may be a debate that might need to be had in a few years if Dublin actually do go on and dominate like many think might happen in the next few years but that is a separate debate. Dublin compete in the All Ireland Championship so as a team should be judged against their competition. This is a great Dublin team. Other counties can learn from how Dublin have improved in recent years (not just talking about the senior teams but the improvement in the club structures/ under age teams). While Dublin have by far the biggest population other big population counties should be trying to learn from should be looking at Dublin and asking why they are not improving but stagnating or going backwards, counties like Cork (population of over 500,000), Galway, Meath (in the 1980's Meath had a population of under 100K but could win All Irelands but are much weaker even though the Celtic tiger led to a much bigger population) and Kildare. In Ulster I know there is a divided community but Antrim and Down have huge populations but seem to be making few improvements.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 26/04/2016 08:49:17    1849521

Im not winding anyone up waynoi. That is genuinely how I see it. We see how people give Leicester city more credit for winning the league than man city (I would be one of them) - this is just the same logic. Like Id consider tyrone's 3 all Irelands a bigger achievement than Dublin's 3 - isn't that only logical? Would you not?

Someone asked if mayo's Connacht titles are less noteworthy. Well in comparison to Leitrim/Sligo and maybe Roscommon winning Connacht titles then yes they probably are. Although obviously the difference isn't as pronounced i.e. we have 60,000 more people than Roscommon, Dublin have 1.24 million more...

Jimbo, I compared the successes of teams, not the teams themselves. So tyrone winning 3 all Irelands, and then Dublin winning 3. Im not comparing Bernard brogan to sean Purcell as players or whatever. It is different to what you are describing.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 26/04/2016 09:52:02    1849536

They have a bigger population. Their county is predominantly urban based. That alone significantly helps them. Their domination should be valued as highly as the Kerrys of 80s/Kilkenny of 00s etc. The "laughable advantages" they have are due to their population primarily. How do you propose to solve that?
ormondbannerman

I never asked how do we solve in Ormond. I asked if having so many advantages and winning sam 3 times, is not as big an achievement as say tyrone coming from nowhere - without advantages and doing it.

I don't think anyone has actually answered that question.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 26/04/2016 09:55:25    1849539

bdbuddah, the question wasn't if they were noteworthy, it was if they were as noteworthy as say tyrone winning same 3 times in the 00s for example.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 26/04/2016 10:26:58    1849558

Look at the end of the day all you can do is make the best of what you have when it comes to the GAA and any sport in reality.

Everyone in Dublin GAA works incredibly hard to get them where they are and the fact is Dublin have made the best possible use of the resources and advantages that have been given to them. Thats all they can do and thats all they should do so in my opinion when you work hard, make the best use of whats been given to you and get success then your results are meritted.

The issue is the continuing zeitgeist of the GAA when it comes to fairness and the resources, finances given to Dublin as opposed to the rest of the country, but again thats a reflection of Irish society.

Its not right whats going on in the GAA but thats not Dublins problem, thats the GAA who are a long way down the road of killing what the GAA was meant to be in my opinion.

But the fact is Dublin make the most of what they have, they work hard and every success they get is noteworthy.

The sad fact is that other counties work equally as hard as Dublin do, make the most of what they are given and are laid out as sacrificial lambs to entertain the masses at a full Croke Park whilst HQ counts the euros flowing in the gates. BUt that only lasts for so long and we are beginning to see the apathy.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1339 - 26/04/2016 10:53:38    1849583

I can see what your getting at its unfair to compare different times but if they go on to win say 5-8 in a row in this Era then I think your point will be valid because a lot of it in the last 5-7 years is about money ...

Donegal spent 100s of 1000s getting to where they were and Dublin now have that luxury of being so far ahead of anyone else that its not really fair ...The centre of excellence built up in dublin is another blow to the rest of the country !

Will we ever see a level playing field again?

Hardly!

BigJohn.6_8 (Galway) - Posts: 704 - 26/04/2016 12:23:48    1849629

The Flaker
Gllebo
YewTree
WestKerry to all football men honestly thank you , your responses say it all really, Dublin will lose you know it I, know it ,Gavin knows it .Some day it will happen and this team will be slaughtered as false gods , when we lost to Donegal it happened many turned on Gavin.


points of note RE OP
Ive asked the Master is he a member of a club HE HAS NEVER ANSWERED
Ive asked where he gets his facts HES NEVER ANSWERED
Ive asked what he contributes personally to the association HES NEVER ANSWERED
Ive asked as he constantly talks about development squads , Ive asked him to tell me how much it costs to run one , how often do they train , what is a gym programme is there a cost , etc etc HES NEVER ANSWERED
Ive asked him if its down to funds explain our recent hurling results , minor beaten by Wexford at the weekend , no All Ireland in sight no nearer than say five years ago. If advantages and money are all it takes the Liam would only be around the corner HES NEVER ANSWERED

hate to dis - spell a myth Dublin development squad last four training sessions four different venues out in the ars7 end of no where and not Abbotstown , one took place Sunday morning 08.45 in Killiney only ground available , but you know if it helps the Master sleep better let him live in ignorance

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 26/04/2016 13:10:37    1849671

Master what planet are you living on? I've been watching football since the mid 60s.The first All Ireland I was at was the great Galway who beat Kerry in 1964 and went on to win there in a row. Then along came Dublin and Kerry in the 70s who between the two of them dominated all before them but I'd have to say level of fitness and skill of the rest of the teams were miles behind Dublin or Kerry. But in my humble opinion this present Dublin squad would beat the pick of the two of them neither of them had the strength in depth of this squad from 1to 30 Both teams from that era had some brilliant players but also some of them were pretty average .This present Dublin team have no average footballers they have all the skills good in the air kick with both feet and frightening speed and above all what I would consider most important good football brains. Having said all that no team is unbeatable anything can happen on a given day that's sport. But I wouldn't be betting the house on it happening anytime soon if I were you.

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dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 26/04/2016 13:51:15    1849700