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TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 15/04/2016 16:35:40    1845977

Perhaps posters who say it would take ' a miracle ' for Mayo to be beaten is because they won last years Connacht final by 26 points .

Perhaps they feel , me included that Galway have not improved much since 14/15 . I saw Galway play us last year and we beat them easily enough in the end .

Sorry for not agreeing with you .
Most people switched of the Connacht final last year as it was over after 10 minutes .

Soma this is one of the reasons why most players supporters want a championship change . It's an unequal system .

Ulster has four D1 teams most years so there's very few hammerings at the latter stages . Like is was nice to see London make the Connacht final but for neutrals who wanted to watch a good game - it was a disaster .

I have not once disrespected any side .

I have said Mayo are a super side about 10 times . I'm sorry for saying I think they will win Connacht . I will retract it .

Guys just changed my opinion : I feel Mayo will now struggle in Connacht as it's insulting to other counties if one thinks they will walk it .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 15/04/2016 16:46:51    1845982

Ah so its all judged on one game - I understand now TRS. Ignore the fact that Mayo beat Galway with the help of a lucky goal by 4 points last year, or that 2 years ago they beat Roscommon by a point with many now believing Roscommon are a better side and Mayo maybe not as strong as in 2014. When Donegal won the 2012 Ulster final by 11 points were many saying that it would take a miracle for them to be beaten in 2013? Or when Monaghan won by close to double scores in 2013?
And this isn't to mention the fact that it took a superb point from a corner back in the last seconds of a game for Kerry not to be beaten in Munster last year, though again apparently it will "take a miracle" for them not to win Munster again this year.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 15/04/2016 17:20:36    1846000

Ah so its all judged on one game - I understand now TRS. Ignore the fact that Mayo beat Galway with the help of a lucky goal by 4 points last year, or that 2 years ago they beat Roscommon by a point with many now believing Roscommon are a better side and Mayo maybe not as strong as in 2014. When Donegal won the 2012 Ulster final by 11 points were many saying that it would take a miracle for them to be beaten in 2013? Or when Monaghan won by close to double scores in 2013?
And this isn't to mention the fact that it took a superb point from a corner back in the last seconds of a game for Kerry not to be beaten in Munster last year, though again apparently it will "take a miracle" for them not to win Munster again this year.

Soma (UK) - Posts:1377 - 15/04/2016 17:20:


Why do people on here just make up stuff. Mayo would have beaten Galway without the goal I have no doubt. Roscommon have improved but I don't know anyone who thinks they are a better side and who thought it would take a miracle to beat Donegal? The general opinion was totally the opposite based on hunger and fatigue.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 15/04/2016 17:56:50    1846014

Flaker
Mayo would have beaten Galway without the goal I have no doubt.
I agree, but the fact that the margin of victory even with the lucky goal was 4 points shows Galway were not as far away as some like to make out.
Roscommon have improved but I don't know anyone who thinks they are a better side
I was saying they are a better side now than when they were very unlucky to lose by 1 point to Mayo in 2014, not that they are a better side now than Mayo - this years championship will decide that if they meet.
and who thought it would take a miracle to beat Donegal? The general opinion was totally the opposite based on hunger and fatigue.
According to some here because Mayo beat Sligo in the Connacht final last year it will take a miracle for them to lose in Connacht this year. The point I was making is that Donegal won the 2012 final by 11 points but nobody was saying it would take a miracle for them to be beaten in Ulster in 2013, which they were by Monaghan.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 15/04/2016 18:51:51    1846026

Ah c'mon Soma, get real and stop trying to balance the scales with shaky arguments. Talking about the competitive Munster c'ship - it's a perennial 2-horse race - the last time anyone but Cork or Kerry won it was in 1935 - over 80 years ago! QED.

Tipp has great young teams coming on, but their seniors are not there yet, at least not until some of their young lads come through. Tipp seniors would struggle to get past Fermanagh; Cork, provided they play anywhere near what they're capable of, will beat them handy enough. Certainly, last year, despite Tipp being up for it after apparently feeling very aggrieved by Tyrone's win in the U21s, had little enough to offer. http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0718/715714-tyrone-run-riot-against-disappointing-tipperary/ No way would Tyrone ever run away with the current Fermanagh team like that. Tipp is an OK team, no more than that. A declining Donegal will beat a gutsy Fermanagh (who in Eoin Donnelly have one of the best midfielders in the country), but only after a hell of a battle; and Donegal will be lucky to get past both Monaghan and Tyrone. The point is that to stay in Ulster, you really have to be at c'ship pace from May / June. This is not the case in Munster. Kerry in fact are quite open about this - the oft repeated observation that there is "no serious football played before August / September".

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 15/04/2016 19:01:43    1846028

Soma, you are very dismissive of Fermanagh. If Fermanage overcome Antrim I firmly belive that they will beat Donegal even though the game is in B'b
Donegal, Monaghan and Mayo have been knocking at the door for some time but I believe that all three of them will be among the 'also rans' this time and maybe indeed for the next few years. All change in Ulster and Connaught.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 15/04/2016 19:26:32    1846034

Soma - these are embarrassing posts at this stage .

So what if people think it will take a miracle to beat Mayo .

By the way who actually said that ?

Why so upset about that ?

Have you ever heard of hyperbole ?

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 15/04/2016 19:35:12    1846035

Sorry but your points make no sense, and if you have met people who say this then tell them they have had enough and order them a taxi.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 15/04/2016 19:46:07    1846039

News of the 1992 Munster championship not make its way to Tyrone essmac:) Tipp had a very decent run in 2014, beating both Laois (who had knocked out Fermanagh) and Longford (who had knocked out Derry). Last year was more disappointing for them but that happens with young teams, hopefully they can start to make a mark again this year.
As for being dismissive of Fermanagh that is not the case at all. They done exceptionally well last year and its great to see, I loved watching their run back in the mid 00's. However I am sure Antrim will feel they have every chance of winning the preliminary game this year. That's the beauty of sport you see, anything can happen. Its why reading about foregone conclusions on here is so tedious, it comes up in nearly every topic as well.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 15/04/2016 19:57:09    1846042

I think Keith Higgins would be an addition to the Mayo forward line, especially at centre forward. We have plenty of hard working forwards but none of them has the pace to beat a tackle and keep going. Aidan O Shea has the strength to go through a tackle but his lack of pace means that defenders can get back at him. We have been too reliant on the pace coming from the half back line which means the moves are starting too near our own goal and opposing defences are given time to regroup. Defenders hate having to chase back towards their own goal and the likes of Higgins coming through the middle forces the full back line into making a decision on whether to come out or stay on their man. We were too one dimensional last year especially in the use of the high ball into O Shea. That bit of variety Higgins brings to the table would make us a more dangerous proposition.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 15/04/2016 20:23:13    1846045

Who'd fill the massive gap in defence if our best most aggressive defender, the leader of our defence is to play at 11? Keith is 30 odd, but has more GAA miles clocked than perhaps anyone his age from any county. Been playing club, college, underage and senior county football and hurling, his first love. I think there's a bit of robbing Peter to pay Paul here. Rochford should be trying to get more from Freeman, McLoughlin and Doherty if that's possible. A good league campaign doesn't convince me that Cafferkey will be a great fullback this championship. Hope he provez me wrong. Keith played there when he captained the U21s. I don't believe a fullback has to be a bigman. It's the size of the fight in the dog not the size of the dog in the fight.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7369 - 15/04/2016 21:27:54    1846060

I think Keith Higgins would be an addition to the Mayo forward line, especially at centre forward. We have plenty of hard working forwards but none of them has the pace to beat a tackle and keep going. Aidan O Shea has the strength to go through a tackle but his lack of pace means that defenders can get back at him. We have been too reliant on the pace coming from the half back line which means the moves are starting too near our own goal and opposing defences are given time to regroup. Defenders hate having to chase back towards their own goal and the likes of Higgins coming through the middle forces the full back line into making a decision on whether to come out or stay on their man. We were too one dimensional last year especially in the use of the high ball into O Shea. That bit of variety Higgins brings to the table would make us a more dangerous proposition.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts:99 - 15/04/2016 20:23:13 1846045


Tried before and it half worked but we ended up missing drive from the back.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 15/04/2016 21:30:19    1846061

TheRightStuff
So what if people think it will take a miracle to beat Mayo . 
By the way who actually said that ? 
Why so upset about that ? 
Have you ever heard of hyperbole?
It was your own good self that said it TRS in your thread previewing the 2016 championship, that is the funny part! Not only do you say it will take a miracle for Mayo to be beaten before All-Ireland semi-final stage, but Kerry and Dublin as well. Like I said, it seems on every topic on here someone eventually gets around to crying about how easy it is for Mayo and Kerry despite plenty of evidence showing otherwise. As the sports psychologists will tell you 'winners make it happen, loses make excuses'.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 16/04/2016 09:56:26    1846080

'winners make it happen, loses make excuses'.

Wise words. A 1 point win is still a win. A 1 point loss is still a loss. A 20 point win or loss the same. It's irrelevant if you or your opponent is at full strength, the weather, the referee, the umpire's granny, the venue, the bank balance or lack of it. Winners will always go out and find ways to improve for the next game. McGuinness was a king at this.

My mate used to tell me every May 'The only team that'll beat us this summer is the team that beats us every summer. Mayo'.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7369 - 16/04/2016 10:45:06    1846098

Therightstuff Antrim have gotten to a provincial final since Leitrim have and both counties are at a similar level. Ulster is the most competitive province but it not near as competitive as some Ulster posters like to think

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 16/04/2016 11:35:53    1846108

Never said any different Ros1. Simply stating myself that Ulster is the most competitive .

If you read my posts - I also said about 5 times that I don't think an Ulster team will win Sam . Ulster people are not claiming that we have 3-5 best teams in Ireland .

Just claiming overall it's an unequal system whereby we generally have to play 2-3 tougher games than most .

Tomas O Se has regularly wrote about it .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 16/04/2016 12:10:03    1846113

It was your own good self that said it TRS in your thread previewing the 2016 championship, that is the funny part! Not only do you say it will take a miracle for Mayo to be beaten before All-Ireland semi-final stage, but Kerry and Dublin as well. Like I said, it seems on every topic on here someone eventually gets around to crying about how easy it is for Mayo and Kerry despite plenty of evidence showing otherwise. As the sports psychologists will tell you 'winners make it happen, loses make excuses'.

Soma (UK) - Posts:1380

And did I insult people on that ?

I am on here praising Mayo and you are digging for something that is not there.

I fancy Mayo, Kerry , Dublin and ourselves to win the respective four provinces.

I said here I think Mayo will have sterner tests that normal but will still prevail . They have had very FEW tough tests in their province and YES they are A GOOD side. I am giving my opinion ,nothing else.

Soma you run down everything that is Donegal and Tyrone. You must have darts at the back of the door with Micheal Murphy and Jim McGuinness.

Anyway I am the one praising Mayo, of whom I have respect for the way they keep coming back.

I suppose you are consistent in your hatred Soma. Fair play on that.

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 16/04/2016 12:53:21    1846125

So you don't think saying it will take a miracle for a change of champion in Leinster, Connacht or Munster this year is insulting to the many fine sides who will be trying to do just that? This was a topic about Mayo in the year ahead, your first post in it was to debate how many Ulster titles they would have won in the last 5 years, while also challenging the fact that the bookies have it as odds on that either Kerry or Mayo, or both, will be beaten in their province this year. It would be good to be able to debate things on here without the tiresome topic of how much 'harder' it is for the Ulster teams constantly being raised.
I have complimented both Donegal and Tyrone plenty of times on here. You are right I am no great fan of Jim McGuinness the manager (I was a very big fan of him as a player) but I appreciate his excellent achievements. I have also said many times that Murphy is an excellent player but to be considered one of the greatest he needs to score more from play and improve his movement off the ball which I think are 2 perfectly reasonable points to make.
Anyway I am off out now to training and will be watching what will hopefully be 2 excellent U-21 semi-finals after, hopefully Mayo can uncover another quality addition to their senior panel from this group.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 16/04/2016 13:25:01    1846132

I think Mayo are in a really nice position this year . Usually Connacht is a cake walk bar the odd scare .

This year Mayo will have two sterner tests but they will defo win Connacht ; there is no question about that . When push comes to shove , Mayo will beat who's in front of them out west .

They are deadly from 5-9. I think if Evan Regan becomes a regular contributor of 3-4 points a game - I could see them winning it.

Think they are just behind Dublin and Kerry and just ahead of Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan .

One thing is for certain though : they won't have an issue in Connacht and will be in the shake up .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts:1153 - 13/04/2016 16:07:11


This was my first post Soma so I really do not know what you are on about ?

In fact , I am stating Mayo will have sterner tests tests this year.

Where did I mention Ulster here in what is my original post ? please point out as you have suggested ?

Mayo are 8/13 on win Connacht
Kerry are 1/2 .

I hate to tell you this but both these teams are odds on ? Are you saying they are not odds on ?

I must tell you this Soma : odds on means they have a better chance of winning. It means they are favorites.

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 16/04/2016 13:45:59    1846137