He's a brilliant shot-stopper, quick off his line & his kickouts are phenomenal. Where's the divisiveness?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 14/04/2016 12:35:59    1845499

The point you are missing ConnollyDub is that cavanman is saying his qualities are being overstated - you can be a great player but still have your qualities overstated. He is top class and deserves little criticism, but his bad games do seem to get forgotten, which isnt fair either.

My own take on cluxton is that he is a massive player for Dublin in how they play, and has a very rare quality in his kicking ability. But if you took away that ability, his actual goalkeeping is good but not great. Like there are better shotstoppers, guys who are better in the air and better decision makers in gk situations out there for me. But cluxton is the guy I would pick as the best goalkeeper for what he offers going forward.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 14/04/2016 12:42:36    1845504

Damothedub - that's a fair point

keeper7 - I disagree with your ascertion that he's a brilliant shotstopper

Read "Dub Sub". .John Leonard who was sub-keeper for a few years claims he'd have been in the team ahead of Cluxton was it not for the kickouts (and he owes much of that to the fact that Cluxton has a few seasons head-start in terms of familiarity with Shane Ryan, etc.)


It's a strange one. .

Cillian O'Connor gets labelled by some as a guy who taps over frees. Because he takes so many, people tend to ignore the other qualities in his game.
Cluxton gets labelled an all time great because he has a good kick-out. But people are far too quick to ignore his shortfallings.

Can't work both ways

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 14/04/2016 13:03:35    1845522

Good observation there cavanman. Indeed the most guys I have seen making that point about O'Connor are in fact Dublin fans - you cant have it both ways.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 14/04/2016 13:30:01    1845542

Thats a pretty fair assessment master,but his value to this Dublin team can never be overstated.His kicking accuracy revolutionised the goal keeping positioned.He pioneered the goal keepers taking 45's and free kicks,also.For me,like all fellow Dubs,it has been a privilege to have him as our spiritual leader.The man has a serious aura about him.The day he departs the goals is going to be a sad day.Like quite a few others on this team to be fair.Extraordinary group of men.The best of times to be Dublin fan and none of us take it for granted.We've endured lenghty famines,but are now feasting on the carcass of success and mmmmm it tastes so damn good.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 14/04/2016 13:30:38    1845543

It's a strange one. .

Cillian O'Connor gets labelled by some as a guy who taps over frees. Because he takes so many, people tend to ignore the other qualities in his game.
Cluxton gets labelled an all time great because he has a good kick-out. But people are far too quick to ignore his shortfallings.

Can't work both ways

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts:1448 - 14/04/2016 13:03:35

Whatever short comings he was, they are there but just over exaggerated by you.

He is the single most important player on the Dublin team and will go down as a all time great. He has bad games, just like all the other all time greats did.

His short comings tend to be ignored, maybe you have a point, however over exaggerating them doesn't help.

His decision making under high balls is done in a high risk/reward strategy and almost always works out in our favour. The one example versus Murphy that you used didn't work out. He did his primary job of making sure Murphy didn't win the ball or get a clean punch on it. Donegal subsequently turned us over but that's the risk.

His shot stopping has declined in recent years, no doubt about that but he hardly let's very simple goals in on a regular basis. Probably doesn't make miraculous saves though anymore.

That's my opinion in anyways. I wouldn't swap him for any keeper at the moment or at almost any other time in his career. We have been blessed to have him in goals for the past 15 years.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 14/04/2016 13:48:52    1845552

Cluxton has been a great keeper for Dublin over the years, and his kick-outs are still fantastic. However, his shot-stopping/ concentration waned dramatically last year, being responsible for soft goals in the quarter and the semi-final replay. Haven't seen him too closely in the league, so let's see come August if this pattern was merely a blip or something more long-term.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 14/04/2016 14:59:19    1845587

Stephen Cluxton is a great Goalkeeper and one of the top three players on the Dublin team, to say that Dublin would not have won the All-Ireland in 2015 without him is stretching it. Besides you could say that Dubin would not have won these 3 All-Irelands without a number of these players. How many of these three All-Irelands would Dublin have won without Kevin McMenamin ?. I believe the most important and indispensable Dublin player is Bernard Brogan.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 14/04/2016 15:05:03    1845590

I actually couldn't give a **** what anyone thinks of clucko, we in Dublin have been blessed with the goalkeepers we've had over the years (well since I started following the Dubs in '74, starting with paddy Cullen) but for me cluxton is the greatest keeper of all time bar no-one and like a few other posters on here I firmly believe we wouldn't have won our last three Sams without Stevo and I also dare anyone from any county to say they wouldn't have him in their team! I think it's laughable that we have a cavan man ( whose team are dining at the "top table" in division 2) questioning cluxtons ability as a goalkeeper, I tell you one thing bud you might need someone of cluxtons ability when you come up against Tyrone next week and by the way stay on for the second game and you will see a master of his craft and more, at work!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 14/04/2016 15:06:19    1845591

I actually couldn't give a **** what anyone thinks of clucko
DUBJOHN

And I couldn't give a **** that you couldn't give a ****.
This is a topic that is up for discussion, so maybe just let people discuss it if they are interested in doing so.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 14/04/2016 15:48:59    1845614

Ah now master don't be like that! As usual anything about the Dubs brings out the worst in you, maybe it's about the fact that we're talking about the greatest gaa goalkeeper of all time and that he just so happens to be from the capital is the problem with you! (p.s. Meant to say the greatest gaa goalkeeper of all time with three all Ireland medals so far, in the back phoca. My apologies for that mistake!)

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 14/04/2016 16:24:30    1845630

DubJohn, I just gave you exactly what you gave everyone else on the thread.
The thread is about cluxton, not 'does dubjohn give a **** or not?'. You don't have to post on it if you aren't interested. This thing where people come on and say 'well I don't care what any of you think' is pretty annoying. Why are you here at all if that is the attitude?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 14/04/2016 16:45:07    1845645

I hear what you're saying to a point master but the thread is about cluxton and certain posters start nitpicking about the guy and that is so infuriating and what makes it worse is that most of these guys have only seen an Ai medal on telly and not in their own county and like I said earlier I've no doubt that they wouldn't think twice about having him play for their county if they had a chance, just admire the guy as a footballer and don't let his county of origin cloud your judgement of him as a player, which is what I think is happening here!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 14/04/2016 17:55:45    1845677

I already stated Id have him in my team. In fact most did. You seem to be trying to rewrite people's points on his abilities as a keeper to resemble some biased waffle. It sounds like you care a good bit more than you are letting on, otherwise why would you go to the trouble of all that?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 14/04/2016 18:16:54    1845685

And master my good friend if you didn't" give a ****" about what I said why are you still here?

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 14/04/2016 18:29:52    1845690

I think it's laughable that we have a cavan man ( whose team are dining at the "top table" in division 2) questioning cluxtons ability as a goalkeeper


Why the hell has where I'm from got to do with anything???

Cavan has a great tradition and proud history of gaelic football. We have suffered some barren years and had to go back and completely re-think our approach to the game from underage right up to senior. It is finally starting to reap some sort of reward.

Why the arrogance and belittlement?

I don't have the same level of disdain for Dublin fans as many on here as I live and work in Dublin and attend Dublin games with genuine Dublin fans. I know that your attitude is not representative of all Dublin fans, but when you come on here and post ***** like that, I can understand where people get their stereotypes from!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 14/04/2016 18:37:31    1845695

What stereotypes would they be Cavanman?

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 14/04/2016 17:48:30    1845704

What people are forgetting is Cluxton's importance to the team as a leader who marshals that defence. He is a no frills first leader, the guy first to training last to leave.

He is truly the Captain of the Dubs and brings more to the table than kick outs or shot stopping, and this I think people not around Dublin GAA do not see or notice.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 14/04/2016 18:36:28    1845723

I don't believe that he's not a good shotstopper and I don't believe that he is not good in the air. The fact is that his unnatural ability to consistently put a ball on a six pence from distance overshadows his other attributes. His mere presence and management of that defence alone is worth it's weight in gold. They have maximum respect for him. You'll never see any back-chat from the full backs to Clucko, not even from Philly. You don't get that kind of respect from just being good at kickouts. He's had his fair share of penalty saves in his time too and we all know about his point taking ability. Are there better shotstoppers? Yes. Are there better keepers in the air? Yes. Are there better ball distributors. No. Is there a better all round keeper? No and there never has been to my knowledge.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 14/04/2016 18:48:35    1845728

Not good in the air.........?
What in the name of Holy God are you on about!
He is peerless under a high ball! Some times a FF is just brilliant and you acknowledge his greatness, but Cluxton is literally peerless under a high ball. Between his ability under the high ball and his distribution, he is like a second full back.
Honestly, to say SC is not good under a high ball is to show staggering ignorance!!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 14/04/2016 19:02:02    1845735