I think clondalkindub, Dublin do not practice what you are preaching, look at how slow Dublin are bringing in outstanding minors, for example Cormac Costelloe said to be one of the best minors ever. He was not used last year and is now only been used as substitute, likewise Eric Lowndes . Neither is there any show of another great minor Conor McHugh. You must remember that the Kerry minors you are referring to are two and three years younger than these Dublin players. I think it is too early to bring in these Kerry minors. You should know that Kerry are anything but foolhardy in regard to football.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 26/04/2016 16:31:01    1849794

clondalkindub

I was at Kerry's 3 U21 games this year and in truth I would say only 1 or 2 are possibly ready for the step up.

A big factor too with those lads is that they are in college in Limerick Cork Dublin etc and its unfair and impractical to be hauling them down 2/3 times a week long distances as they are playing football at college as well as studying for exams.

KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 26/04/2016 17:01:02    1849815

Fainleog that's probably the worst post I've ever read on here and if I've to explain why then you obviously haven't a clue.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/04/2016 18:52:09    1849857

I think the point Fainleog is that Costello and McHugh are trying to break into an inside forward line containing Brogan, Andrews, Kev Mc and O'Gara or a half-forward line containing Flynn, Kilkenny and Connolly. They are both going to have problems displacing these all-stars in championship but Costello is in very close contention for a spot in the corner I think. McHugh will not get a start yet in the summer as there is a queue ahead of him although he did start in the league. He has been juggling club, Sigerson, U21 and senior also. Lowndes has been trying to get into a half back line containing McCaffrey, O'Sullivan and McCarthy. Dublin have arguably the best half back and half forward lines in the country. I don't think the Kerry young fellas have those kind of barriers just now. I would have thought that 4 or 5 of the starters for Kerry last Sunday could have had younger lads in ahead of them, to blood them but it's Fitzy call and he obviously though the older fellas could stay in touch. They did for 60 mins don't forget!!

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 26/04/2016 19:12:51    1849867

Clondalkin - Do not be abusive and do not patronise me, you can ill afford to do so. You are suggesting these former Kerry Minors should be given a run or play on the Kerry team, I believe otherwise as they are too young. Eamonn Fitmaurice also believes it is not appropiate. Do not loose the run of yourself because Dublin won by eleven points. Dublin won by that amount because Kerry had only 14 men, nobody can be sure
how close it would have been, if Kerry had 15 players to the end of the game. I would not read too much into this game, it is only April and Kerry will be competing as always. I think this Dublin team is a great team and one more All-Ireland will surely ensure they are recognised as one of the great football teams but clondalkin do not give me crap.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 26/04/2016 20:10:29    1849886

Man are you for real what bs your spouting out this evening. Where am I saying Fitzmaurice should be playing minors? I'm saying its a disgrace he hasn't any of the '14 team involved in the Kerry panel when the whole country knows there an aging team. Yeah of course it was O Mahoneys red card that changed the game and it was the rain last year that made Kerry play so bad will just keep beating everyone and you keep making the excuses for them. I know on any given day this summer in a one off game we can be bet but I can't see it being Kerry , Mayo are the team that can give us the big test imo.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/04/2016 21:02:22    1849908

Joxer don't waste your time pal.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/04/2016 21:05:26    1849910

Joxer - Thank you for the polite post as I have already said I think Dublin are an excellent team and play great football but the reality has been they are only a little ahead of the chasing back. They have won three All-Irelands and had very little to spare in those victories i.e. Kerry 2011,Mayo and Kerry 2013 and Mayo 2015. I do not buy into the idea that it is so hard to get into the Dublin team and that is the reason a younger player cannot break into the Dublin team. I believe there is a weak link in the forwards and the backs. In any event there always opportunities for other players to make the breakthrough even against the established players, you need only observe the performance of one of the great Dublin players on Sunday and the messing he was doing and surely Jim Gavin quickly responded.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 26/04/2016 21:23:10    1849921

Quite a lot of that 2014 minor team are out with injuries, they missed the U21's this year.

Also U21 championship is a lot better barometer regarding senior success than minor and we have won the sum total of 2 Munster U21's this Millennium.

KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 26/04/2016 21:52:58    1849928

Tommy Walsh ain't too happy, looks like he's off!

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 28/04/2016 13:19:34    1850414

Tommy Walsh ain't too happy, looks like he's off!

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts:355 - 28/04/2016 13:19:34 18

Yeah, he's gone. In fairness his league form wasn't great so doesn't look like he did enough to break in. Played well against Kildare last year when he came on but Kildare were septic that day.
Wasn't the same when he came back. That last injury he had was bad and probably didn't help.
Bet of luck to him if he's gone permanently.

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 28/04/2016 13:43:13    1850422

People tend to forget that Tommy had the same injury that ended Paul O'Connell's career.
You could see the man couldn't run properly.

Tommy was the reason we won in 09 against Cork. ( forever grateful for that )

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 28/04/2016 14:00:37    1850432

Bad luck on the fella, he never really seemed to be able to get any kind of a run going under EF and the break in Australia seemed to be where it all started to unravel for him and never really fulfilled his potential.Shame for Kerry to loose such a talent at a fairly young age. Don't know the ins and outs of it with the Kerry management so I wont get into what if any problems there were.

Good luck to him if indeed he is gone.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 28/04/2016 14:26:28    1850442

Sorry to see someone of Tommy's calibre leave the Kerry panel. His hamstring avulsion injury was severe and it's a hard one to recover completely from. You could see from the Kildare match last year that he still had the high fielding talent but speed and flexibility of movement is often affected by such injuries. I was hoping to see him regain his form? And Kerry giving him more of a run? .not to be now. In his 2009 form he may have been the type of player to contend with the fast pace and strength of the Dubs. Mind you in Kerrys last champuonship win against dublin in 2009, Jack O Connor took him off before half time. In the final against Cork, he shone though, getting two quick points after Corks early goal.

Anyway good luck to him...no secret weapons so for Kerry in their battle to beat Dublin

kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1779 - 28/04/2016 14:40:27    1850446

People tend to forget that Tommy had the same injury that ended Paul O'Connell's career.
You could see the man couldn't run properly.

Tommy was the reason we won in 09 against Cork. ( forever grateful for that )

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts:580 - 28/04/2016 14:00:37

His 4 points were quality. The 2 in the second half were top drawer

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 28/04/2016 14:58:56    1850461

The twin towers were frightening in their time all right.

How we could do with both of them now playing like they did in 2009.

Look maybe best thing for Tommy is to step back and concentrate on the Narries.

If we begins to show serious club form over the next few months or years there is no reason he can't be back in the Kerry set up.

At the moment, for whatever reason, it just hasn't worked out.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 28/04/2016 15:25:00    1850473

I'll tell you why it hasn't worked out ; his legs are gone cause of that horrific injury he suffered in Oz all that pace he had in 09 is gone , sad to see he was a savage player back in 08/09.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 28/04/2016 15:54:21    1850490

Of course injuries suffered while in Oz are an ongoing problem for Tommy Walsh but he knew that last year, it's not new news in 2016. Perhaps an uncomfortable truth for Tommy and Kerry supporters is they now know, it is highly unlikely Tommy or Kerry will be winning any All Ireland in 2016 or for the foreseeable future. At least not while this great Dublin team is situ. Given that some of Kerry's best players remain their veterans but are now falling short a painful transition for them remains underway. Kerry will be back but realistically it is going to take a few years and Tommy Walsh privately i'm sure has probably factored this into his decision to call it quits. I suggested in my per-match league final analysis that if Kerry got another hosing and public humiliation from the Dubs it would unravel for them and that's exactly what is happening now. The Dublin monster looks set to get bigger and bigger, consuming more and more every year, so crumbs from the table like in 2014 is unlikely to happen again - Tommy Walsh knows it well and in truth, we all do!

JamesH (Mayo) - Posts: 465 - 30/04/2016 12:05:01    1850862

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clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 01/05/2016 13:46:32    1851103

While Brolly has a tendency to have a pop or hyperbole stuff and im not a great fan of reading or listening to him, i do think he has a point here with his "mean spirited" comments, i couldnt get over Kerry's shall we say "over physical approach", penchant for good fouls, off the ball antics at the match. As a graduate of some wonderful footballing expierences between Dublin and Kerry, it was lamentable to see this great county of footballing tradition play the game thus, i was really surprised as their was joy to be had and Kerry werent to far away playing the game we all associate with them.

For me it was a bit embarrasing the Dongahey comments after the game, given the nature of the player himself, how he actually played the game himself and the fact that Kerry had a player given his marching orders for assualt, additionally ive heard nothing in the media about the assault on Jonny Cooper, imagine that Dermot Connolly.

While the Dublin game prob ramped it up a little bit, with it being Dublin and Kerrys record against this team, this style isnt isolated, how many incidents have happened throughout the league, the Donegal game stands out.

Some sould searching to be done in Kerry football for me, its at the point were their reputation for playing wonderful football is being besmirched.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 02/05/2016 13:21:07    1851310