Gary, do you have a butter fetish? Fair enough if you do, live and let live and all that.........................

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts:694 - 07/04/2016 16:44:13 1

Good god no man, this is football forum. If you want that sort of carry on, go find a Fine Gael forum.

I'm just noting that since Kerry are no longer exporting magical football, butter is now their main export. Hence The Buttermen, granted its not as glamourous as The Kingdom, but it has an element of realism to it.

I'm just clowning around now...

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/04/2016 17:11:31    1843152

I detect that you are still a little annoyed about the 2014 final result which is why you don't seem to want to give Kerry any credit and are desperate for someone to say that they see Donegal as the main threat, despite Donegals only notable victory in Croke Park since 2012 being the shock defeat of an incredibly naive Dublin. Since 2012 Donegal have also suffered 2 embarrassments against Mayo and of course the 2014 loss to Kerry.

Soma (UK) - Posts:1351 - 07/04/2016 12:47:31

Well I actually fancy Mayo and Tyrone to make waves this year, and I also think Cavan in Ulster are getting really strong and will do well. Donegal have a very strong panel this year, but it remains to be seen if their manager will get the blend right.

In terms of who poses a real threat to Dublin in the All Ireland series, my list is as follows ( In no particular order ).

Tyrone - I thought they were possibly the only side last year with a style that could really trouble Dublin. In particular, Tiernan McCann, Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly around the middle, and Colm Cavanagh sweeping has made them a force.
Mayo - I seen their new corner forward Regan, and I think he could be the answer to their previous problems. They have serious talent and experience, I have a feeling the could come good this year.
Kerry - They will be there in August/September, but it remains to be seen if they change things up sufficiently to beat Dublin. No doubting they have quality players, D Walsh has been stand out so far.
Donegal - Have the Quality players, but they need to win Ulster, which would give them a platform to make a serious tilt at the All Ireland and Dublin.

I don't see any other team in Ireland having a genuine hope of beating Dublin or challenging for the All Ireland.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/04/2016 17:41:49    1843172

I think your right about Tyrone Garymc . They are awkward side to play against and would be a threat.
Kerry will be strong force this year too and I expect them to have a serious go at us if we meet.
Mayo,Donegal ,Monaghan and Cork are in the pack also and could beat any team on their day.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 07/04/2016 18:02:51    1843186

Top 3 teams id like to beat in a final?
Simples

1. Meath
2. Meath
3. Meath

If Meath got to a final it would mean Meath were back,,,,and Dubs Meath when both are flying pure apesh**!! The bitterness is like no other, Its greatness is its bile!

And plus, Beating kerry in another final, its been done.......its so passe..... :)

BRING ON THE ROYALS!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 07/04/2016 18:49:03    1843208

Good god no man, this is football forum. If you want that sort of carry on, go find a Fine Gael forum.

Ah Gary Mc you'll be upsetting the hurling folk with that one! I can almost visualise the KK fans viewing it as proof there's no point posting on here.....

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 07/04/2016 18:50:11    1843210

Good god no man, this is football forum. If you want that sort of carry on, go find a Fine Gael forum.

Ah Gary Mc you'll be upsetting the hurling folk with that one! I can almost visualise the KK fans viewing it as proof there's no point posting on here.....

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts:701 - 07/04/2016 18:50:11

I wouldn't worry about the Kilkenny fans, with a stretch in the evenings, they'll all be out playing hurling somewhere.

Your right though, I should have said GAA Forum.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/04/2016 20:01:33    1843237

I can never understand how some view Dublin as such certainties. Yes they're the best team in the country but it's a knockout competition, the best teams don't win these kind of competitions all the time because anyone can get beaten on a given day.
Anyone of Tyrone, Mayo, Kerry, Donegal and potentially Cork and Monaghan have the necessary tools to beat them. If the competition was based on a league format then Dublin would probably win it most of the time - look at their win record over the last 6 seasons.
Say what you will about Kerry but they still have real footballers in their team, loads of players who can kick pass and kick scores. Yeah there are some miles on the clock with some of them but you can't tell me that Dublin fans wouldn't have a little worry about the likes of JOD or Gooch bearing down on goal against the current Dublin back line. Some have mentioned Kerry's win rate against Dublin in the last few years but 3 championship win's in nearly 40 years is hardly a great measure of Dublin's new supposed 'superiority'.
Lets not forget that 2 of those wins were more or less last kicks of very tight games and the other was a wash out where neither team looked that impressive.
If I was a betting man and got anywhere near 2/1 for Kerry to beat Dublin I would be throwing a few bob on it - what were Donegal in 2014....9/1?

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 07/04/2016 20:20:15    1843240

I wouldn't worry about the Kilkenny fans, with a stretch in the evenings, they'll all be out playing hurling somewhere.

Your right though, I should have said GAA Forum.

GaryMc82 (Derry)

I heard a rumour a young fella in a quiet part of Thomastown was once caught practising with a football but the locals built a wicker man and that was the last anyone heard of him!

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 07/04/2016 21:05:37    1843264

I can never understand how some view Dublin as such certainties. Yes they're the best team in the country but it's a knockout competition, the best teams don't win these kind of competitions all the time because anyone can get beaten on a given day.
Anyone of Tyrone, Mayo, Kerry, Donegal and potentially Cork and Monaghan have the necessary tools to beat them. If the competition was based on a league format then Dublin would probably win it most of the time - look at their win record over the last 6 seasons.
Say what you will about Kerry but they still have real footballers in their team, loads of players who can kick pass and kick scores. Yeah there are some miles on the clock with some of them but you can't tell me that Dublin fans wouldn't have a little worry about the likes of JOD or Gooch bearing down on goal against the current Dublin back line. Some have mentioned Kerry's win rate against Dublin in the last few years but 3 championship win's in nearly 40 years is hardly a great measure of Dublin's new supposed 'superiority'.
Lets not forget that 2 of those wins were more or less last kicks of very tight games and the other was a wash out where neither team looked that impressive.
If I was a betting man and got anywhere near 2/1 for Kerry to beat Dublin I would be throwing a few bob on it - what were Donegal in 2014....9/1?

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts:249 - 07/04/2016 20:20:15 1843240

Keithlemon,
I would agree that there is no certainty of Dublin beating any of the named teams even though they would probably be slight favourites in most cases at the moment.
Where I do think you are a mistaken though is to mention the 3 wins in 40 years which although correct factually has absolutely no bearing or relevance to what is happening with these 2 teams over the recent past.
If you were to present that fact to someone who knew absolutely nothing about Gaelic football they would bet on Kerry every time but if you told them simply that Dublin had won the last 3 times they met in the championship it would be more relevant to current teams performances and I think they would probably back Dublin armed with those facts.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 07/04/2016 21:55:29    1843294

That's fair enough Dubh_linn but as I said before, those victories have their own context. Dublin hardly beat Kerry out the park in any of those 3 matches either.
That's not to take anything away from those victories though. Especially 2013, to score 3-18 in an all ireland semi against Kerry......I know Dublin conceded 3-11 in that game but still very few teams can say they played Kerry in a shootout and won

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 08/04/2016 10:03:42    1843338

It's pretty funny to see how sensitive the Kerry fans on here are to any non-glowing analysis of their team. Very hard to take anything that they've said seriously.

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 427 - 08/04/2016 10:49:21    1843360

I for one wouldn't be sensitive about things said here, some things I just find funny like ive heard it said that Kerry have a block against beating Dublin at the moment, of course we have this is THE BEST Dublin team of all time. I don't think any Kerry supporter could say the same about us at the moment, we are however as always very consistent and will probably go close again this year. I for one take it as a complement that people like to pick at us it means we must be doing something right!

coopersleftfoot (Kerry) - Posts: 91 - 08/04/2016 11:08:01    1843371

I always find these posts interesting. Over the years Kerry us the constant. Kerry had to face the might if teams over the last 15 years of many teams all have come and gone. On Tyrone case there on the way back and good on them. A lot t if posters are from counties that ate literally appaling and possibly hiding behinfld fact there county cannot get it together. In Kerry this team us not ratedcin same league as others we have produced and in way holding the ground for a wonderful batch that is coming through. Our underage success is starting to show but like in all cases it takes time. Kerry decided to motor ahead and without difficulty reach a semi final of the league. I'm not really worried about the league does on t matter at the end of the year.
Don't think Dublin shout about the league either so you won't get too much hype out of them. Dublin are years ahead in where they want to be pillar starting it off and now in a good place. Kerry probably pick up an AI or 2 before we get a great side again in 5 years time. Remember Dublin had not beaten Kerry in 28 years or there about. These records are there to be broken. Losing to Dublin isn't like losing to a rival. Cork and Tyrone are our rivals and say that in respect.

Murph (Kerry) - Posts: 45 - 08/04/2016 13:16:37    1843445

I thought last year Dublin were way away of Kerry but I don't think so this year . Even though Dublin won the final by three , I feel it would have been more on a nicer day .

I think the gap will close this year .

I think Kerry look very good this year and win Sam ( obvious enough ) .

I also get the feeling that Donegal , Mayo and Tyrone won't be that far behind .

As for Monaghan : well they just bloody love to beat us and leave it there for some bizarre reason .

I expect Dublin to beat us on Sunday and Kerry to beat Roscommon.

I don't have much faith in our manager ( yet ) but even though we will lose on Sunday , we will come good in June / July .

I've a feeling it's going to be a better champo this year even though I'm overly critical of it's structure overall .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 08/04/2016 13:41:35    1843462

Ah, in fairness Murph Cork and Dublin are our two main rivals over all the decades. Yes we had a great rivalry with Tyrone but like Galway, Down, Offaly before them its there for a while and then it goes again.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 08/04/2016 14:06:34    1843481

The league proved there wasn't a kick of the ball between the likes of Kerry Cork Mayo Donegal Monaghan Roscommon and you could include Tyrone as well who won Division 2 well.

However, there are no prizes for 2nd place and unfortunately that is the realistic goal for these teams due to how far the Blue Juggernaut have pulled away from the rest. They are just too professional an outfit to have an offday , too many superstars (where if 1 or 2 are playing below par) they can just pick for their vast array of bench players and be just as good.

KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 08/04/2016 14:17:57    1843487

Murph

Pillar only embarrassed us with his glory boys approach, Gilroy started this group/attitude!

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 08/04/2016 16:36:56    1843549

Pillar had his faults I'm not saying he's better than anyone. But remember he didn't have as complete a squad as Gavin had and also more importantly Pillar had a wonderful Kerry and Tyrone side dominating who both now currently not at the level they were in the 00s. Also Mayo done the one day displays against them. Gilroy blocks and Gavin living in a comfortable house.
Both sides don't take league seriously and if they find a player they will be happy

Murph (Kerry) - Posts: 45 - 09/04/2016 09:31:22    1843680

Yes Murph that's true, but I still think a better manager would have got at least one all-Ireland out of that bunch.

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 09/04/2016 10:17:32    1843688

I always find these posts interesting. Over the years Kerry us the constant. Kerry had to face the might if teams over the last 15 years of many teams all have come and gone. On Tyrone case there on the way back and good on them. A lot t if posters are from counties that ate literally appaling and possibly hiding behinfld fact there county cannot get it together.

Murph (Kerry) - Posts:33 - 08/04/2016 13:16:37 1843445


Do you equate the football Knowledge of Gaelic football fans with the success of their respective Counties? I have seen Kerry fans make comments like that towards pundits in the past, and suggested that because they only had one or no All Ireland wins, they knew nothing.

Kerry have pretty much remained a constant, which is partly due to them establishing a very early strong Gaelic football platform within their county. Kerry dominated the sport right from the get go, and that early success carried through decade after decade, allowing them to create the development structures very early on that would ensure players were being developed properly and quality players would filter through. Years and decades of winning All Irelands also ensures that players have no inferiority complex and no doubts about their teams ability to win trophies.

I think quite a few counties are following Tyrone and Dublin underage templates, and while some counties have had success at minor and U21 level, I feel lack of prior senior success coupled with the lack of management development will hold their progress back. Continued success generally see's more young people engage in the sport within some counties, and as the years pass, it also sees managers develop and continue the success.

Management development is something that counties will next look at, Identifying the right men to bring each team through at every level.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 09/04/2016 14:02:54    1843729