It works two ways I think. I'd be happy to discuss and debate teams further down the rankings in both football and hurling but the sad truth is that the majority of new threads these days just happen to be about Dublin and to a lesser extent Kerry and Mayo (all football).

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 06/04/2016 13:56:45    1842604

Dubh_linn you can probably guess you are one of the 'odd exception' of Dublin posters I refer to above. I really have nothing more to say to you.

Don't know what that means but that suits just fine.But I'm not the only one who has that impression of where you are coming from.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 06/04/2016 14:04:51    1842609

Rightstuff, I was referring to the fact that Clondalkin has always thought this Kerry side isn't a patch on Kerry teams of old and were 'lucky' (as he would put it) to win in 2014.

I don't obviously believe that, and think this is a really good Kerry team. But in fairness to the man he has always been consistent and what he says and it doesn't come from any spite. It is his genuine opinion, which I respect.

What the usual cohort of others say about my county is not genuine opinion, it is just them having a go at Kerry for the sake of it.

Therein lies the nub of this whole argument.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 06/04/2016 14:10:29    1842613

If you read my second last post Dubh_Linn you would know what I am talking about

But hey why read what another poster says at all when you are having an argument with him.

Just respond whatever way you like and continue on getting your digs in.

That's the Hogan Stand Forum Way these days isn't it...

For the record, I really couldn't give a flying hairy f*ck what you or others of the cohort I speak of think of me.

Given what they are, they are hardly judging me with an open mind now are they.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 06/04/2016 14:21:27    1842620

i agree i think the current kerry team is a very good team but not a great team
the gooch makes or breaks this team

heresam (Dublin) - Posts: 156 - 06/04/2016 15:18:42    1842660

i dont think what they (kilkenny) have done is remarkable fo, i think its great for kilkenny, i think all their eggs are in one basket, i think kilkenny is bad for the gaa, good for kilkenny
kilkenny have destroyed an all ireland quality hurling competition because they only play one sport hurling
most counties have lost interest in hurling.
i love hurling, i think its great to see dublin hurling progress, but its limited in wher eit will be in 50 years time due to the domination of so few counties in the last 100 years and the lack of governence in the gaa to making kilkenny develop both sports as is the gaa tradition
kerry have not a decent hurling team coming up as do tipp so fair dues, kilkenny remain rotting ion the doldrums as a one trick pony

heresam (Dublin) - Posts: 156 - 06/04/2016 15:24:40    1842666

must say I disagree heresam, if Kilkenny want to only play hurling with a small population I think best of luck to them, its up to the rest of the hurling counties to step up, the reality is some counties due to playing numbers will never compete in one code not to mind two! I for one would rather be competitive at one code than mediocre at two, not much complaining about all the counties that put little effort into hurling like Dublin and Kerry did for decades

coopersleftfoot (Kerry) - Posts: 91 - 06/04/2016 15:35:51    1842673

I think Kerry would love to win it even if they play down its relevance. It is far more evenly paired competition for all the silly stuff at the end.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 06/04/2016 17:16:39    1842745

Gary its hard to take you seriously on this thread when you suggest Dublin players probably don't view Kerry as a threat. Yes Kerry have not beaten Dublin this decade in the championship (only Cork, Meath, Mayo and Donegal have - one from each province!) but of the last 3 All-Irelands Dublin have 2 and Kerry 1. Its hard to believe you cant remember Kerry demolishing Dublin in Croke Park in 2009 which was a real lesson for that Dublin panel and lead to some serious changes (similar to their defeat to Donegal in 2014), 5 or 6 on duty that day for Dublin will be lining out again later this summer. And Kerry also beat Dublin in Croke Park in 2012 in the league, 9 or 10 of the Dubs playing that day will be playing later in the year. Are you suggesting that because Meath and Cork have beaten Dublin in the championship more recently than Kerry that the Dublin players see these counties as a bigger threat this year?

Soma (UK) - Posts:1345 - 06/04/2016 12:21:01

This is a different era, a different Dublin and a different footballing landscape to 2009.

Ultimately the league doesn't matter when it comes to Dublin v Kerry, because Dublin have beaten Kerry in the All Ireland series in 2011, 2013 and 2015 when it really mattered. There are too many variables to consider in National league games, such as where teams are at training wise or which players or tactics they are testing out. I said I couldn't remember earlier the last time Kerry beat them in the league, such was its insignificance when you look at the Championship meetings.

I genuinely don't think Dublin view Kerry as the "single biggest threat" to them in Championship, and I suspect many others would agree with that thinking. Comments from Kerry supporters constantly hint or suggest that is the case, when in reality Kerry are among a group of maybe 3 or 4 teams who pose a similar type threat to Dublin. And out of that group of teams, Kerry are one of the teams that haven't managed to beat Dublin during this decade.

Are you suggesting that because Meath and Cork have beaten Dublin in the championship more recently than Kerry that the Dublin players see these counties as a bigger threat this year?

No, again I will state that I think this group of Dublin players probably consider the likes of Mayo or Donegal who have actually beaten Dublin in the 2-4 years to be as just as big a threat as Kerry, who knows, maybe even bigger. I refer to consistent teams who in the last 5 years have contested more than one All Ireland final, 3 or more All Ireland Semi finals, 5 or more All Ireland Quarter finals during this decade. Basically the other big dogs of this era, the 2010's era.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 06/04/2016 17:22:52    1842748

Personally,i fear Kerry more than any other team will stop us from doing the two-in-a-row.I can only imagine the desire and,almost desperation,the Kingdom have to dethrone us.Kerry are always a dangerous beast ; throw in savage hurt and revenge and that is one lethal,potent concoction.I can't really envisage any other team stopping us.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 06/04/2016 17:41:15    1842754

1 Kerry
2 Donegal
3 Tyrone
4 Mayo

That's the order i see the danger to Dublin this year.There is just something about playing Kerry in a semi or final that can sometimes turn my knees to jelly.Never happens against the other teams.Years of losing to the old enemy have left their mark,but the last three massive wins have gone a long way to erasing the bad memories.It's more a healthy fear than a debilitating worry,now.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 06/04/2016 17:53:52    1842760

Personally,i fear Kerry more than any other team will stop us from doing the two-in-a-row.I can only imagine the desire and,almost desperation,the Kingdom have to dethrone us.Kerry are always a dangerous beast ; throw in savage hurt and revenge and that is one lethal,potent concoction.I can't really envisage any other team stopping us.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts:3729 - 06/04/2016 17:41:15 1

Yes, but do the Dublin players share your thoughts and feel that way?

Most of these Dublin players haven't lost a single Senior Championship game to Kerry, and I thought they won last years All Ireland final with loads still in the tank.
I'm not saying that Mayo or Donegal are necessarily stronger than Kerry, or that Dublin see Kerry as any way less of a threat than Mayo or Donegal or even Tyrone.

But on the eve of an All Ireland final or semi-final, which team would make the Dublin panel more weary or more on edge? I just don't Kerry stand out from the rest in that regard, no less of a threat, but don't stand out either.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 06/04/2016 18:02:50    1842767

They are my thoughts Gary,and mine alone.I haven't a clue how the players feel.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 06/04/2016 18:06:44    1842769

Fair enough Gary but what you have stated there is quite a distance from your original post which said that you don't believe Dublin see Kerry as a rival or threat. As it happens I think you are wrong on both counts.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 06/04/2016 18:08:40    1842772

must say I disagree heresam, if Kilkenny want to only play hurling with a small population I think best of luck to them, its up to the rest of the hurling counties to step up, the reality is some counties due to playing numbers will never compete in one code not to mind two! I for one would rather be competitive at one code than mediocre at two, not much complaining about all the counties that put little effort into hurling like Dublin and Kerry did for decades
coopersleftfoot (Kerry)

Cooper, I agree it's down to the others to catch up with Kilkenny (who knows, maybe even we might at some stage since we stuffed them at underage level last year) but there's no way KK don't have the resources to field a side in the football. They might be crap, they might only win a match once every couple of years but sure look at London (barring the run to the Connacht final a couple of years ago), who field sides in both codes and have more limited resources than KK. Not bothering to field any sort of side is bad form to me. I know it's a hurling obsessed county but if the kids have no football coaching and no senior side to progress into then they're being failed by their county board and the situation will never improve.

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 06/04/2016 18:22:48    1842777

kilkenny have destroyed an all ireland quality hurling competition because they only play one sport hurling
most counties have lost interest in hurling.


I agree with your sentiments that this is an average Kerry team but cant agree re:Kilkenny. They have a small population and get the every best out of themselves. Tipp would have a similar probably bigger pick, Cork would have a far larger pick to choose from for example. Its not like they have been eviscerating opposition year in year out at minor or U21 grades at provincial /national level .

Plenty of counties pay lip service to hurling so that isn't a valid criticism. They actually made the Junior AI semi last year and were fairly competitive

KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 06/04/2016 18:27:33    1842782

Of course Kerry are a threat, and they're starting to pk

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 06/04/2016 18:30:24    1842784

Of course Kerry are a threat, and they're starting to play well. They have more interest in beating Dublin than actually winning it, it just so happens that one will follow the other if it turns out to be the case.
I feel they'll want this more than us as it stands right now and I might have a flutter on them!
Anyway who is this anti-Kerry brigade and who are its members?

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 06/04/2016 18:34:49    1842785

I doubt it'll be too long before Kerry get back to winning ways v Dubs but Dublin are overall a superior outfit at moment.
TheHermit is a sort of excitable fellow but I think he's a harmless lad behind it all so I wouldn't get too irked by what he posts as it's spur of the moment stuff without much thought.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 06/04/2016 20:55:34    1842834

You could be right on both counts catch22 but I think that's part of the problem with Hermit , he's not able to accept the fact that Kerry are not top of the tree anymore and is angry at the world for coping on to this so he sees it as some sort of campaign.
If it's not the posters it's this site for letting people post such terrible stuff.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 07/04/2016 09:10:53    1842888