Htaem

What the percentage of kids at 14 who were still playing by 18,can you remember that? I remember it was fairly low.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 01/04/2016 14:43:21    1840171

As far as I remember ziggy, we're losing roughly 75% of players between the ages of 14 and 18, I wonder how that compares to some of the Division 1 teams.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 01/04/2016 16:06:19    1840233

Htaem

What the percentage of kids at 14 who were still playing by 18,can you remember that? I remember it was fairly low.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:4858 - 01/04/2016 14:43:21 1840171


Just a note , this years first year minors in my club we had 16 join second year minors of which there were 10 , next year we will have 8 most likely join the 16 , this is from a club that fields at every age group , now the birth of the super club in Dublin certain clubs will never have this issue , but your average club has age old problem hanging onto teenagers .Its everywhere

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 01/04/2016 16:27:49    1840245

I thought so,but didn't want to miss quote.Ya thats terrible and is something we have to improve on,infact it should be top of the list.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 01/04/2016 16:31:17    1840249

I'm convinced Kildare will become competitive in Leinster in the next couple of years. The maturing of their very good U21 side will coincide with the downward trend of the current Dublin senior team! As for Meath? Forget it!

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 01/04/2016 16:39:11    1840257

I think Kildare are capable of it alright

But they need a better way of bringing through their U-21's

There's no doubting that they are on par at underage or at least very close to it

So what's happening from U-21 into Seniors?

If they get it right and have more success in transitioning their younger players, with the current success they are having at Minor / U-21 - arguably they could be challenging by the end of this decade - 2019-2022

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 01/04/2016 17:11:19    1840267

jimbob

Whats happening from U21 to Seniors at Kildare,is the fact that they have lost a lot of experience in the last few years,its very hard for players that young(without that help) to challenge teams of the quality and experience of Dublin.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 01/04/2016 17:30:39    1840284

Whats happening from U21 to Seniors at Kildare,is the fact that they have lost a lot of experience in the last few years,its very hard for players that young(without that help) to challenge teams of the quality and experience

Very good point , we are lucky for example Alan Brogan leaves we have another to take his place , who replaced johnny Doyle or Dermott Earley , some players lost are an easy transition Dublin kerry Kilkenny manage it but for others it's got a different take it's rebuilding , kildare did lose players , confidence also took a knock ,

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 01/04/2016 19:12:30    1840339

Some of Kildare's best underage prospects were lost to other sports during those formative years too.

Paul Cribbin was the first. He's back a good few years now but he took time to re-adapt to the round ball. He was followed by Daniel Flynn who is back a year but was injured last season. Paddy Brophy and Sean Hurley are currently with the West Coast Eagles and Freemantle respectively. Kevin Feely was playing soccer in England for four or five years but he is back now and has done well during the league.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 01/04/2016 19:45:07    1840353

Dublin are going from strength to strength. Kildare have great potential. Laois have produced a few U21 gems Evan O Carroll and young Eoin Lowry. Surprisingly the future might not be so bleak .

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 04/04/2016 13:01:44    1841523

From what I can see Kildare are completely focused on competing against Dublin at underage level. There seems to be a belief there that they can compete with them as well. That belief is does not presently exist at senior level but one would imagine this will change as more and more good players come through.
We can blame Dublin all we like but ultimately their rise has been meet with the decline of the rest of Leinster. Meath, Kildare and often Laois were Division 1 teams. Offaly and Louth were often decent Division 2 outfits. Wexford reached an All Ireland Semi a number of years ago.
Perhaps the dominance of Dublin in the championship has destroyed the confidence of the rest of the Leinster counties but they're league performances are very poor.
Kildare look like a good bet of moving up again next year into Division 1. This will help. The travesty is Meath however. Oddly enough Kildare and Meath's Head to Head is 50/50 but Meath always had the forward play and belief to beat Dublin. Kildare have never had that. Kildare made Leinster competitive but Meath made it a force.

sportsfan14 (USA) - Posts: 281 - 04/04/2016 15:15:37    1841615

sportsfan14 (USA) - Posts:264 - 04/04/2016 15:15:37 1841615

Good post

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 04/04/2016 16:50:14    1841681

Kildare are doing a lot of things well at underage level at the moment. We've had a decent bit of success at minor and under 21 level over the last couple of years but it's still going to take a lot to catch up with what Dublin are doing. I don't think we'll catch them any time soon but I'd have us a couple of steps ahead of the rest Leinster in trying to do so.

From the team that won Leinster at under 21 in 2013, 12 starters have gone on to play for the seniors in the championship. The difference with Dublin is that they can funnel in 2 or 3 players at a time and ease them into an experienced and well structured side - on and off the field.

In Kildare we've lost 3 of the only real leaders we've had lately in Earley, Sweeney and Doyle. It's hard to bring through so many young players in such a short space of time and it's even harder when you're almost expecting them to be leaders from start in a team that's after undergoing a few management changes as well.

If we can bring a couple of lads that played on Saturday through to senior football over the course of the year it'll be a step in the right direction. If the under 16's from last year can step up to minor then it'll be another small step forward, if some of the minors from last year can step up to under 21 over the next year or 2 then it'll be another small step. You can't become a strong senior side overnight, you can't just turn lads in their mid 20's into top footballers, you can't expect success unless you're building from a strong base. If we can keep doing what we're doing over the next couple of years then who knows where it might bring us.

As that great bunch of lads the Chinese say, it's better to take many small steps in the right direction than to make a great leap forward only to stumble backward.

Or ya know, feck the Dubs, AIG and Croke Park. Let's just moan about it and wait for somebody else to give us a handout instead of trying to improve our own lot ourselves...

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 04/04/2016 19:39:37    1841784

ifindoubt

I would add Foley to that list..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 04/04/2016 20:41:33    1841808

Fair enough ziggy, feck the Dubs, AIG, Croke Park and Foley then.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 04/04/2016 20:48:44    1841815

Can be very difficult to hang on to young lads, was involved with a group of U14s a few years back, won a county title but not one from a panel of about 22 went on to play minor. Lost to other sports and interests

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2142 - 04/04/2016 20:52:36    1841818

seadog

Thats a huge problem in Meath alright,surely something more can be done to keep a higher % of players in the game?

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 04/04/2016 21:26:33    1841841

Odd how many lament the death of the Leinster championship yet when Meath were putting it up to Dublin everyone wanted us to lose to them and took glee in our decline.

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 05/04/2016 14:51:11    1842152

I for one loved watching meath v Dublin, cracking atmosphere hard hits and the odd bit of good football too! everyone loves to hate, I for one hope cork get straight back up next year not the same without them ditto tyrone, rivalries make the gaa the slide of meath and galway from the top table has taken a lot from the championship imo

coopersleftfoot (Kerry) - Posts: 91 - 06/04/2016 15:09:25    1842649