The grant system is being looked at now

Struggling counties should be getting more

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 16/02/2016 11:35:05    1825698

Ya its cyclical - sure it feels like only yesterday when mayo had a 4 million sponsorship deal, played every game in McHale park and had the rest of the country paying towards their 47% of the entire gaa grant...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts:14930 - 16/02/2016 11:17:06 18256

I think the development money should be granted based on the relevant numbers in each county. I also believe that any county applying for development funds should be able to show exactly where the money is going and how it is to be used.
Master, maybe this money could've have been better spent!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/mayo-in-crisis-over-116m-debt-on-mchale-park-redevelopment-26792635.html

donegaldouble (Donegal) - Posts: 310 - 16/02/2016 11:55:18    1825711

Richieq

Stop it now. What you are saying is just embarrassing.

Name one player from Dublins football set up who had these "Supercoaches" you are portraying? More.......Name one of these coaches, because I'm sure most u13 coaches in Dublin would love them out at their sessions to make their teams great. As someone said already you are living in cliché-Ville. Ignoring your points, yes.......Yes I am. Because you haven't a Scooby what's going on in Dublin underage football or hurling.

Kerry were winning all around them in the noughties......Kilkenny have been butchering the pack in the hurling. Not a word said about "chasms" then.

Certainly with the football......it's cyclic . Relax. Dublin won't win forever. Just stop with the usual waffly statements.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts:1297 - 16/02/2016 10:16:20 1825679

Look if you think it's waffle and embarrassing that's fine that's your opinion to which your entitled as I am to mine, I never mentioned "super coaches" either but gave my view that Dublin have a far better funded set up from that age upwards, I know well that most coaching and training of that age and below is done by volunteers in clubs that may not have access to these "super coaches" you speak of. Can you see anyone beating Dublin in Leinster in the foreseeable future? Honestly I can't and that's a very very difficult thing for me to admit but being honest it's the truth and right now there is a dwindling list of others from outside Leinster that could beat them, the present cycle could be ongoing for some time and the issue of funding is central to that, for what it's worth, waffle or not, that's my opinion

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 16/02/2016 12:22:28    1825725

Your "points" are just anecdotes that you say you have seen.

Id phrase it as personal experience , Following a development squad around the country and attending training sessions Id feel qualified to give an educated opinion on the importance of paid coaches etc manufactured players etc the influence of the Dublin system on current players .
But hey obviously went round with my eyes closed and hands over my ears .
If you do want to address an actual point ,I suggest address this, if money is the answer explain since the golden generation mentioned in previous posts how come we have not had the success our obvious riches should have provided ?

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 16/02/2016 13:11:57    1825744

I think the development money should be granted based on the relevant numbers in each county. I also believe that any county applying for development funds should be able to show exactly where the money is going and how it is to be used.
Master, maybe this money could've have been better spent!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/mayo-in-crisis-over-116m-debt-on-mchale-park-redevelopment-26792635.html

donegaldouble (Donegal) - Posts:168 - 16/02/2016 11:55:18 1825711


Well said donegaldouble and did you see the state of their White elephant's pitch....... yes money well spent indeed.

Unfortunately some have run themselves into the ground, yet are still making demands!

So far the most noise on this topic is being made by Meath, Kildare and Mayo posters

Counties with very little excuse for not doing better - they have population advantages and monetary advantages over many other counties

It's all because of Dublin right... that's why Kildare is in Div 3 and Meath are a pale shadow of their former selves

Just look at their own financial circumstances... all up to their neck in debt after spending millions

It's very easy for them to point a finger but choose to ignore the reality on their own door steps

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 16/02/2016 13:12:50    1825745

Fair point Jimbo,

But what about my own tuppence worth? I'm from Kerry which has an extraordinary well run County set up with excellent structures etc, and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone down here or in the likes of Kilkenny or wherever else that doesn't think there are serious issues with how Dublin are being treated compared with the rest
in terms of the latitude given towards their commercial interests, development funding and so on.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 16/02/2016 13:52:30    1825765

TheMaster......

Donegaldouble just put you in your place there. Mayo have disproportionate funding to most other Connaught counties, yet get themselves into debt!!!! You couldn't make this stuff up. And there you go again waffling about things you have no facts about. Play all our games at home, it's years since we played a home game in the championship. We are told to play in Croke Park. Not our fault. In Leinster as long as the counties keep voting us into Croke Park, we will continue playing there. Dublin County Board has no objection to playing outside Croke Park. Jim Gavin has no objections. The players have no objections. The fans have no objections. And to point out, those of us who attend hurling games are a well travelled bunch. I'd say I was at more away games last season than home ones! We hurl too ya know!

Realman......

The GAA are at fault. Like let's put it this way, if someone was handing Kildare development grants, would they be turned down? Any grant system is usually based on application. Dublin are well organised and request funding. I'd say the reason they are getting the funding is they have many well costed and ambitious plans that are goal orientated. Someone in the GAA must think they are worth funding. If your not in, you can't win. Reality is a poor application deserves no funding.

Other general negative comments addressed......

Dublin haven't signed any shirt deal yet. Rant about it IF it happens. Dublin is marketable and has a big target audience so companies want to work with that. Dublin county board should be applauded for working these deals. If they weren't doing them you'd be calling them wasters.

People on this message board should really apply to be county board members. They have all the solutions to every problem. Even ones that haven't yet occurred. Stop making fan-boy comments based in waffle and assumption. Dublin has all those advantages you all speak of...... But always had them. And couldn't win before! They have a plan, and work damn hard trying to make it work. Again applaud them for it. Dublin have a great group of players, talented players. Applaud and appreciate them, they won't be around forever.

On MONEY.......how can an administration like Dublins survive without funding. And before I get a black highlighted line with one sentence out of context and a reply. Can people please explain what Dublin spend their funding on, I need a good laugh today!

"Mo Money, Mo problems" (B.I.G. , Notorious. 1997)

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 16/02/2016 13:53:31    1825766

jimbodub

You really are clueless when it comes to anything got to do with Meath football finances or structures, so perhaps less of the non-nonsensical naval gazing you seem to spout about Rural decline and county boards running debts into millions, considering Meath have turned a small profit in the last few years.

All you're keyboard hero crowd baiting is doing is annoying posters outside of Dublin into making rash arguments that you keep shouting down with the same tired rubbish we hear off all the Dubs who seemhave no idea about GAA finances or how its governed

highking12 (Meath) - Posts: 184 - 16/02/2016 14:10:06    1825773

Forget about the money for a second..

But is there not some rule that prevents GAA teams getting jerseys from non-irish companies?

What's preventing a club team going to adidas or puma for their jerseys for the coming year? Can someone elaborate on that?

I think this can only be a good thing. More competitors for GAA gear can only reduce the prices of gear for the clubs and the punters. At the minute O'Neills have the monopoly and are ridiculously over priced, with terrible service and a long waiting list.

begining (UK) - Posts: 300 - 16/02/2016 14:24:15    1825777

For example, take the AIG deal. If Dublin are getting twice as much as the next county due to that sponsorship well then shouldn't their funding from Croke Park be curtailed and used instead to benefit some county that's only being given a few grand a year from their own sponsor?

I made this exact point earlier in thread and should be looked at. Cahair O'Kane in the Irish news today writes a good article on the Dublin money issue....I suggest people read it.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 16/02/2016 14:54:31    1825782

Forget about the money for a second..

But is there not some rule that prevents GAA teams getting jerseys from non-irish companies?

What's preventing a club team going to adidas or puma for their jerseys for the coming year? Can someone elaborate on that?

I think this can only be a good thing. More competitors for GAA gear can only reduce the prices of gear for the clubs and the punters. At the minute O'Neills have the monopoly and are ridiculously over priced, with terrible service and a long waiting list.

First point: Because Irish companies provide irish people with jobs which gives them a livelihood.

Second Point: It would cost a club team a massive amount of money to have Addidas or Puma design and produce a club team's jersey. There is literally no reason for Adidas or Puma to want to take this business so they will have to be paid richly to do it.

As for your third point soccer jerseys have loads of competition between manuafacturers and are still grossly overpriced.

I'm not even against the idea really but they are the answers to your questions.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 16/02/2016 14:54:35    1825783

Hang on now realman

O'Neills have a few reps in Ireland but all the gear is made in China. Adidas or Puma coming in would mean them putting men on the ground in Ireland, creating more jobs in the country?

O'Neills aren't making jerseys for the good of their health, they're making a bomb on jerseys and gear, would be no harm having alternative options for clubs/counties to seek gear if they wish, at worst it could make o'neills improve their services and at best reduce the cost of gear for the clubs.

Can someone please clarify if there is legislation in place to prevent multi-national companies making playing gear for GAA teams?

begining (UK) - Posts: 300 - 16/02/2016 15:29:45    1825802

Hang on now realman

O'Neills have a few reps in Ireland but all the gear is made in China. Adidas or Puma coming in would mean them putting men on the ground in Ireland, creating more jobs in the country?

O'Neills aren't making jerseys for the good of their health, they're making a bomb on jerseys and gear, would be no harm having alternative options for clubs/counties to seek gear if they wish, at worst it could make o'neills improve their services and at best reduce the cost of gear for the clubs.

Can someone please clarify if there is legislation in place to prevent multi-national companies making playing gear for GAA teams?

Like legislation in law or do you mean GAA rules? There is the former, not the latter.

This is what it says on Oneills website

O'Neills was founded in 1918 as a manufacturer of Gaelic Footballs and it is now the largest Sportswear manufacturing Company in Ireland.
We are a 100% Irish owned Company, proud of our Irish heritage, employing over 560 people in Ireland. We have extensive manufacturing plants in Strabane, Co. Tyrone and in Walkinstown Avenue, Dublin.

You open that market out to puma and adidas then irish people will lose their jobs.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 16/02/2016 15:46:07    1825817

Hang on now realman

O'Neills have a few reps in Ireland but all the gear is made in China. Adidas or Puma coming in would mean them putting men on the ground in Ireland, creating more jobs in the country?

O'Neills aren't making jerseys for the good of their health, they're making a bomb on jerseys and gear, would be no harm having alternative options for clubs/counties to seek gear if they wish, at worst it could make o'neills improve their services and at best reduce the cost of gear for the clubs.

Can someone please clarify if there is legislation in place to prevent multi-national companies making playing gear for GAA teams?

begining (UK) - Posts:64 - 16/02/2016 15:29:45 18258

I also don't think Puma will be putting any reps in the ground over here. Puma will be here to take the big bucks off the big counties like Dublin, Cork etc...like reps going around the highways and bye ways of Ireland flogging Puma as the preferred choice for club teams to make their jerseys, like that's not going to happen.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 16/02/2016 15:51:51    1825822

at worst it could make o'neills improve their services

Exactly. I handed €80 over to my club in early August of last year for my son's club tracksuit. They got them last week. After months and months of 'there's a slight delay' or 'your order will be with you next week' emails from O'Neill's. Maybe another company manufacturing county jerseys might make them pull up their socks.

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 16/02/2016 15:59:03    1825823

Exactly. I handed €80 over to my club in early August of last year for my son's club tracksuit. They got them last week. After months and months of 'there's a slight delay' or 'your order will be with you next week' emails from O'Neill's. Maybe another company manufacturing county jerseys might make them pull up their socks.

I would say any deal Dublin make with Puma will not have any impact on O'neill's providing of club kit. They are completely separate in my opinion.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 16/02/2016 16:21:31    1825831

I would say any deal Dublin make with Puma will not have any impact on O'neill's providing of club kit. They are completely separate in my opinion.

I was using my experience with them through my club as an example of their service. I also said if they've competition from another company making county jerseys it might make them pull their socks up.

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 16/02/2016 16:29:24    1825840

Lets get a few things straight on the matter.

No point in sniping at the Dubs etc in regards to the funding theyre getting. If every other county was offered the same amount of funding they would take it and thats a fact. Its not Dublins fault here, its the GAA. People are too caught up with county rivalries to see the real issues. Again Dublin get most in terms of sponsorship, good luck to them, theyre in that position to do that and they will possible make more money here from the shirt deal. Again good luck to them, theyre more than entitled to do that and theyre more than entitled to take the majority of funding thats being given to them because its been given to them, no point in having a go at the dubs.

But also there is no point in Dublin lads on here pretending that the extra money available isnt a huge boost to developing their teams up along the way, of course it is, the amount of full time coaches, the money in Clubs in Dublin, the facilities. As part of my job i deal with numerous GAA clubs around the country so ive seen it first hand. But to be honest the Dubs should have to apologise for it, they have made the most of what they have got.

The issue is fairness and its a GAA issue, not a Dublin, the current funding isnt right. The GAA said they were going to address it last year but havent.

In regards to this shirt deal im all for it to be honest but rules are rules. The GAA are very loose when it comes to what rules to pursue to the last and which to not it seems. Small Longford Club gets fined for having a soccer coaching academy, others dont! Will the GAA apply its own rules here and block a move which could in fairness open the GAA to a wider market with an addidas or nike on board.

I guess time will tell.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1353 - 16/02/2016 16:30:29    1825842

Maybe Dublin will have a big Puma mascot at games now.

I can see the usual anti Dublin posters now "The Dubs have all the money, all the population, they play all their games at home...... And now they have Paulie the Puma...............Split the county in two......Where's the fairness......They have a mascot! How can we compete with a big fluffy puma!!!!!???????"

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 16/02/2016 16:41:34    1825851

Maybe Dublin will have a big Puma mascot at games now.

I can see the usual anti Dublin posters now "The Dubs have all the money, all the population, they play all their games at home...... And now they have Paulie the Puma...............Split the county in two......Where's the fairness......They have a mascot! How can we compete with a big fluffy puma!!!!!???????"

You could be the mascot; Jay the Jackass

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 16/02/2016 16:54:19    1825860