Ulsterman thank you for your reply to my earlier post, however exactly what do you mean by " making your argument redundant "? I wasn't having an argument with you I merely asked a question to which I thought you might have an answer because let's face it you have an answer for most things posted on HS!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 04/02/2016 17:48:22    1822324

To Whammo86 -

Your point above about the Dubs should get more - do you mean in the aggregate (as they have the biggest popn), or per head as well.

For example, my point is for every 64 Euro, distribute 32 (1 Euro per county) and the other 32 (proportionately - Dubs get 9 Euro, 28% of 32).

Here Dubs get 10 total of each 64 Euro, and for example, Leitrim gets 1 Euro.

So Dubs get 10 times as much, but has popn of 30x - Dubs would get only one-third per head- would you be for or against this ?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 04/02/2016 17:50:18    1822325

Surely now when a county has the structures in place, has money of their own for a Marketing department and an overflowing list of sposorss on board such as AIG, Toyota, Bavaria, Aer Lingus, Ballygowan, Energise, Linwoods, Skins, O'Neills, DCU, Gibson Hotel, ROS Nutrition, Benetti, etc the need for this financial propping up is removed.
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I've already mentioned that Dublin's investment could be slashed

I even put in a top heavy estimate - reducing that figure to 500,000 per annum

Offering 900,000 more to nationwide games development

I broke down per annum - the amount that would be shared if spilt evenly to every county

Now I don't believe it should be done that way

Far too simplistic as you say, but I was just working off what I thought was the general tone

Dublin get money and we want our share right now - what would that mean if it was delivered to everyone overnight and sat in the account in the morning

I wasn't putting forward a plan of action I wanted to highlight the amount that could be delivered to put a bit of perspective into the argument and the actual relative small sums of money that we're talking about

Again.. why do I need to explain that but I obviously need to!

If it's about fairness as others have suggested - then it should be split evenly right?

I personally don't think that is a fair or a clever way of doing things

I have stated that more should be done on this matter several times but I've seen zero suggestions

Just a lot of hysterical BS...

I've answered your questions - even though tbh.. they really shouldn't have to be answered

Is it not obvious enough?

The GAA's investment based on Dublin's strategic plan and delivered off the back of many years of out and out commitment has worked

Why do we get more.. BECAUSE IT WORKS!! It was a carefully orchestrated plan that worked... a success story built on many years of heard work at grass root level.

That is why investment is still happening and that investment has to be accounted for every year - it's being spent on various games development projects. Not on Jim Gavin and his panel of players.

The GAA have now stated that this investment is going to be looked at (Obviously because it should be looked at) - but it will take time to deliver on that message, as they obviously just don't want to be throwing money out without an adequate plan and looking at the bigger picture.

That would be a dumb thing to do without looking closely at certain counties and their attitudes to spending money.

This has been announced and it looks as if change will start to happen - what else do you want at present and how can I be anymore straight forward on the subject?

Meath put forward a plan of action - Good!

That's how it should be done - I have no idea why it failed but it did... do you know why?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 04/02/2016 18:00:33    1822332

As I have stated here before I have huge admiration for Dublin & the work they have put in at club & underage levels. The funding helped but it was hard work & dedication that made it pay off.

However, I do think that the money could be better spent if we are thinking of the health of the GAA as a whole.

Why can't the authorities take what has obviously worked so well & fund it in counties that are weak? I don't agree that these counties should come up with their own plans, Dublin have provided the blueprint. Let counties with ambition take it, tweak it where necessary & get the sort of funding that will make a real difference.

The present inequality is good for no one, Dublin have done a great job & deserve huge credit. Let's now roll it out.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 04/02/2016 18:18:07    1822340

Jimbo x2

No matter how often Dubs educate people on how the funding is accessed, spent and justified....... We still get the same 4 or 5 haters hating on the Dubs.

Get a plan......work from there. If it's a good plan, you'll receive funding.

Funding should be scaled according to numerous factors.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 04/02/2016 18:31:57    1822343

As I have stated here before I have huge admiration for Dublin & the work they have put in at club & underage levels. The funding helped but it was hard work & dedication that made it pay off.

However, I do think that the money could be better spent if we are thinking of the health of the GAA as a whole.

Why can't the authorities take what has obviously worked so well & fund it in counties that are weak? I don't agree that these counties should come up with their own plans, Dublin have provided the blueprint. Let counties with ambition take it, tweak it where necessary & get the sort of funding that will make a real difference.

The present inequality is good for no one, Dublin have done a great job & deserve huge credit. Let's now roll it out.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts:3782 - 04/02/2016 18:18:07 1822

Ain't that the truth

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 04/02/2016 18:35:06    1822346

Jimbodub, I am not anti Dublin but I believe very steongly that development grants need to be reallocated . You speak about counties and their attitudes to spending money but how can counties spend money if they get damn all money to spend ? To give 47% f all grant money to Dublin is wrong plain and simple. There has to be a more equitable way.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 04/02/2016 19:09:14    1822361

This statement shows exactly why we have a massive gulf between richer counties money wise and the poorer, the All Ireland's will only be won by 5 or6 teams, the rest I'm afraid can only dream, even if the GAA divide money equally it will take 20 years to see a change

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 04/02/2016 19:26:20    1822372

Anyone think of amalgamating counties might work (:

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 04/02/2016 19:51:53    1822384

Dubjohn,

'but then I'm sure you'd know more about her interests than I would!'
Remind us all again why that would be!

At least we seem to have progressed a little re your apparent confusion iro northern clubs receiving specific funding for coaches.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 05/02/2016 12:41:02    1822542

From the article on HS:

GAA President Aogan O Fearghail says it's clear why the association invest so heavily in Dublin.

"There is a disproportion and that's clear from the figures and that's why we publish the figures so people can see but there is a disproportion of population also," explained O'Fearghail.

"There are 1.3 million people living in (Dublin) and 20 years ago the GAA was struggling in large parts of it so there's been fantastic development and not just because of investment. There's a huge voluntary effort in schools in Dublin but there's absolutely no doubt and it's clear for everyone to see that we do invest heavily in Dublin."

Ok then Aogan, explain this - the population of Antrim is roughly half that of Dublin and the GAA in Belfast in particular is struggling resulting in clubs folding over the last few years with others fighting hard to keep afloat. By this logic should we not be getting half of Dublins funding? If you want to take back the cheque for the €47,000 and replace it with our proportionate one for €620,000 we'll say nothing more about it.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 05/02/2016 14:40:34    1822595

Bumpernut where in any of my posts did I say anything about sporting organisations in ulster ( for the purpose of this debate we're talking about Gaa clubs) getting grants specifically for coaching etc.? I asked a question regarding funding for clubs in general, not specific to just coaching!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 05/02/2016 14:41:59    1822596

From the article on HS:

GAA President Aogan O Fearghail says it's clear why the association invest so heavily in Dublin.

"There is a disproportion and that's clear from the figures and that's why we publish the figures so people can see but there is a disproportion of population also," explained O'Fearghail.

"There are 1.3 million people living in (Dublin) and 20 years ago the GAA was struggling in large parts of it so there's been fantastic development and not just because of investment. There's a huge voluntary effort in schools in Dublin but there's absolutely no doubt and it's clear for everyone to see that we do invest heavily in Dublin."

Ok then Aogan, explain this - the population of Antrim is roughly half that of Dublin and the GAA in Belfast in particular is struggling resulting in clubs folding over the last few years with others fighting hard to keep afloat. By this logic should we not be getting half of Dublins funding? If you want to take back the cheque for the €47,000 and replace it with our proportionate one for €620,000 we'll say nothing more about it.

C'mon like. There's an obvious reason why Antrim's population isn't really half of Dublin's when it comes to GAA. It's not even a quarter in reality.

Clue: Murals, Marching, shankill

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 05/02/2016 15:12:23    1822611

Offside Rule

Ya I read that too,he is talking out of his (you know what)

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 05/02/2016 15:12:58    1822613

Im sorry but there seems to be an argument that the reason Dublin get more funding is because they have a system and plan in place that spends whatever funding they get correctly and in the best way possible. They do spend well and invest well albeit when you receive a lot more money than everyone else there is more margin for error.

Ive even seen a comment of "
Get a plan......work from there. If it's a good plan, you'll receive funding."

I find this a rather ignorant approach to be honest. This belief that numerous other counties dont have plans, systems or ideas in mind that can be equally as good or if nor better than the plans Dublin have and thats the reason they dont get funding is mind boggling.

Its imply a monetary thing, an accountants view of how the funding should be split and nothing more and to think its anything else is foolish. You spend your money where your likely to get greater return and the fact of the matter investing in one county with the population and the track record of filling Croke park every day they go out makes more sense than investing in other areas.

Thats what it comes down to, not this naive belief that Dublins systems and plans are so far advanced of all others that it demands more funding.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1351 - 05/02/2016 15:25:30    1822620

C'mon like. There's an obvious reason why Antrim's population isn't really half of Dublin's when it comes to GAA. It's not even a quarter in reality.

Clue: Murals, Marching, shankill


Yeah and im sure every one of the 1.3million in Dublin play gaelic games!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 05/02/2016 15:39:51    1822630

Antrim - behind only Dublin in terms of population - was awarded €47,400 despite registering 90 senior football teams for 2015 (only seven counties registered more) and 72 senior hurling teams.

A high percentage of the funding allocated to Dublin goes towards paying full-time GAA coaches, who are funded equally by their club and the county board and GAA director of finance Tom Ryan said that wouldn't change at "the drop of a hat".

Offside im sure the powers that be will do the right thing by Antrim and Belfast!

What ways can the pressure be put on the Gaa to address this unbalance? Do you have to try get motions put through your club and then hope that it gets all the way the ladder and then enough support from county reps to get money and resources changed? Not a hope! Is anyone aware of any other groups or organisations that would have a loud enough voice(media I suppose)

Yes it's great that there's a huge uptake of our national games in Dublin over the last twenty years but it really has over corrected the natural balance that was there. In the late naughties the dubs only needed another ten percent to have them at the last four every year and winning every few years but now we have a situation where they look unbeatable, their subs probably as good as the second best team in the country, and underage competitions in Leinster totally dominated.
The status quo has been shifted, which is fine, but it's over shifted in my opinion, not healthy.

Population and resources, both have been altered. Dublin have a huge pick of talent grown by professionals, other counties have a much smaller pick driven on by people with spare time- it can't add up.

The Gaa are not going to do anything to change this, dubs doing well means more money in receipts and staying competitive against soccer and rugby. Rival county boards won't act because alls they see is the nice little cut they get from Dublin in Croke park and not the big getting bigger.

Dublin can do without 60 GPOs now, and after the costs of running its own competitions it can also share out a fair portion of the excessive sponsorship it gets from the like of Vodafone and AIG , as opposed to counties sponsored by hotels and creameries.

johnomaco (Kilkenny) - Posts: 2 - 05/02/2016 17:15:57    1822665

Im sorry but there seems to be an argument that the reason Dublin get more funding is because they have a system and plan in place that spends whatever funding they get correctly and in the best way possible. They do spend well and invest well albeit when you receive a lot more money than everyone else there is more margin for error.

Ive even seen a comment of "
Get a plan......work from there. If it's a good plan, you'll receive funding."

I find this a rather ignorant approach to be honest. This belief that numerous other counties dont have plans, systems or ideas in mind that can be equally as good or if nor better than the plans Dublin have and thats the reason they dont get funding is mind boggling.

Its imply a monetary thing, an accountants view of how the funding should be split and nothing more and to think its anything else is foolish. You spend your money where your likely to get greater return and the fact of the matter investing in one county with the population and the track record of filling Croke park every day they go out makes more sense than investing in other areas.

Thats what it comes down to, not this naive belief that Dublins systems and plans are so far advanced of all others that it demands more funding.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts:246 - 05/02/2016 15:25:30 18

Agree.. you'd swear Dublin's braintrust devised a way of successfully invading Russia in Winter the way some go on here rather than create a great GAA team from 2,5 million of outside money (grants & sponsorship) a year.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 05/02/2016 17:29:04    1822669

Im sorry but there seems to be an argument that the reason Dublin get more funding is because they have a system and plan in place that spends whatever funding they get correctly and in the best way possible. They do spend well and invest well albeit when you receive a lot more money than everyone else there is more margin for error.

Ive even seen a comment of "
Get a plan......work from there. If it's a good plan, you'll receive funding."

I find this a rather ignorant approach to be honest. This belief that numerous other counties dont have plans, systems or ideas in mind that can be equally as good or if nor better than the plans Dublin have and thats the reason they dont get funding is mind boggling.

Its imply a monetary thing, an accountants view of how the funding should be split and nothing more and to think its anything else is foolish. You spend your money where your likely to get greater return and the fact of the matter investing in one county with the population and the track record of filling Croke park every day they go out makes more sense than investing in other areas.

Thats what it comes down to, not this naive belief that Dublins systems and plans are so far advanced of all others that it demands more funding.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts:246 - 05/02/2016 15:25:30 1822620

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 05/02/2016 17:56:48    1822679