AHP give up.

People outside Dublin don't see the strategic planning that has been developed in Dublin and the structures build in order to implement this plan. Nor do they see the massive amount of hardwork done at ground level to get things in place and keep them going.

It seems to me, non-Dubs (Cluchies to give them their proper name) many think only country people are dedicated, the Dubs are just in it for the money. Dublin having huge numbers playing (and growing this number) is easy, requires, no structure, organisation or effort.

Nope its all about the money!!

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 14/01/2016 16:51:25    1816677

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2016/02/03/news/dublin-got-more-money-than-ulster-last-year-figures-reveal-404440/

With that money the Dubs are able to hire full time coaches to go into schools. Looking at the figures the money Fermanagh received would be enough to hire one time full coach and nothing else. How the hell can one county get more money than a whole province?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 03/02/2016 12:45:36    1821873

gotmilk

Because of the population

Duh.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 03/02/2016 12:54:03    1821879

Nah.. listen Gotmilk

I'm only winding you up..

Money should be redistributed better to help out weaker counties

It's a no brainer

But this additional funding should come from Central coffers

Not from independently earned income sourced by the hard work of individual counties

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 03/02/2016 13:02:05    1821883

Only one word tbh, scandalous.

Coming at from a completely parochial perspective Antrim, including Ireland's second city, receives less than 50k which is frankly outrageous.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 03/02/2016 13:02:10    1821884

If you talk of population and Dublin should get more because of this then we should break these figures down per head of population

For every €1 Dublin get, Meath gets 26cent

Just absorb that fact lads and tell me if that's equal or fair

highking12 (Meath) - Posts: 184 - 03/02/2016 13:15:15    1821889

So Dublin get 47% of the grant and the rest of the country get 53% between them.Just WOW!

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 03/02/2016 13:18:33    1821892

I've no issue with a side keeping the money they earn. I'm only using the dubs as an example here but there sponsorship is a 6 figure sum, why do they need another 6 sum from hq. I'm not having a go at the dubs here either (I do actually like to see the dubs do well) but something needs to change drastically here.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 03/02/2016 13:22:14    1821900

Seriously though "scandalous"

You'd swear It was €100,000,000 the way some of the more reactionary / hysterical posters go on...

1.4 Million - It's not a huge amount of money whatsoever...

You also have to take into consideration the population of Dublin

But again - I agree... more money from Central coffers should be making it's way to weaker counties

But again.. you are all questionably ignoring the real problems facing rural Ireland and the GAA - outward migration from rural Ireland due to adverse socioeconomic problems

Throwing a few quid more at weaker counties isn't going to resolve the far bigger problems at play

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 03/02/2016 13:26:48    1821905

Jimbodub, I think its more the 47% of finances going to the capital line that is the most worrying thing. If the GAA are serious about helping the weaker counties then it should be distributed to the weakest first. Something similar to the American Football draft, in that the poorest counties get the most assistance.

Andy (Laois) - Posts: 371 - 03/02/2016 14:15:26    1821926

jimbodub- I'm not sure that I could agree with you. I do know quite a few counties where 1.4m would help in many ways including providing a paid coach to go into every school and a paid coaching officer for every club inside their county- that's one of the main recognised ways to develop and improve the games in any county and that is what has been happening in Dublin (if I am correct) which is good.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 03/02/2016 14:22:44    1821929

Looks like Dublin have more in common with Man City and Chelsea than the colour of the jersey!!! 3 bought All Irelands ;)

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 03/02/2016 14:23:22    1821930

You are right again Jimbo about the collapse of rural Ireland but the GAA can't do anything about that. That requires Enda and the boys to give incentives to companies to move to the west rather than Dublin. The GAA however can do something about the distribution of their own money. It won't change the problem but it can help.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 03/02/2016 14:26:37    1821931

It is nothing got to do with the population of Dublin or Socio economic issues.

1. As i previously stated for every Euro Dublin recived last year, Meath(as an example) got 26 cent. Thats worked our proportionally aka per head of population. So that removed that Argument

2. This very population argument you all make therefore means Dublin have a greater capacity to attract sponsorship from the private sector due to its sheer size. Surely this should be their main revenue stream not grants. Example €1m plus per annum from Aig.

As a contrast Meath recieve €50,000 per annum from Ray Coyle (Tayto Park). Hardly playing the poor mouth but combined with grants that wouldnt pay the wages for of Dublin's PAID full time coaching staff which is now into the hundreds for 2 months

The grant from the GAA aspect not the commercial is where i have the huge issue. But it does show how big an uphill struggle all other Leinster counties have.

Its an absolute scandal.

highking12 (Meath) - Posts: 184 - 03/02/2016 14:26:42    1821932

But seriously this is hugely worrying. There is no justification for one county receiving so much aid, especially a county which has so many other advantages in terms of population, infrastructure, sponsorship over anywhere else.

No problem if Dublin's financial success and the deals they can sign with sponsors is of their own hard graft.

But the GAA is a 32 county organization and its central funds should not be so heavily invested in incentivizing the games in one county.

In Kerry we have developed our grounds and put in place the funds to build a new centre of excellence almost solely through fundraising.

Central funds need to be redistributed fairly, let counties make up any shortfall on their own graft.

Hopefully the outrage over this will see a substantial cut back in the slice of pie Dublin get from now on.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 03/02/2016 14:30:18    1821934

€1.46m is for games development, does anyone here know how that operates?

Here is an exerpt from what was said on this topic.

€1.46m is to go towards the wages of coaches (Games Promotion Officers or GPOs) in the capital. These are paid by the Dublin CB. And by the relevant provincial council where every other county is concerned.

Leinster Council receives €1.64m for games development, this is then distributed among the other 11 counties in the province, excluding Dublin.

But at an average of just less than €150,000 each, it still falls well short of Dublin's funding.

GAA director general Paraic Duffy said "This is not a new issue, it is one that has come up lots of times over last couple of years,"......."The origins are we have a huge amount of coaches employed in Dublin to develop our games."

"The origins of that is from funding received in the first instance from the government, a huge number of coaches were employed. Part of it comes from our funding, part of it comes from the clubs' funding. It is a model that works well in Dublin.

GAA Finance Report
"We have discussed this on numerous occasions in the past. We are trying to get a balance in terms of what Dublin get - and also what larger counties get and what smaller counties get.

"The point I would make about Dublin is that if you want to expand the games, the biggest challenge for us in the urban areas. We cannot expect to treat Dublin the same as anywhere else, it is a huge population."

In short if Louth gets 150K how much should Dublin get? Multiples of 150K? I would say €1.46m is about right.

Note the larger Dublin clubs pay a fair whack of the GPOs wages. Bear in mind there are no "centres of Excellence" in Dublin, there is no plush county ground, clubs have little or no training facillites. My own club probably the largest in Ireland owns ONE pitch. Dublin gives a really good return to the GAA in terms of profile, attendance, games promotion, excellence etc etc.
So do we take money off Dublin and chuck it at developing Hurling in Leitrim? I think people have to educate themselves to the reality of the sports they profess to love this money is actually spent on what it is supposed to be spent on Games Promotion - you know future bums on seats and feet on the pitches.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 03/02/2016 14:54:05    1821948

So this information taken from an article on gaa.ie last year is BS Hermit is it?

"Of the EUR4.7 million raised to date, the GAA, the Munster Council and long-time Kerry sponsors Kerry Group each donated EUR1 million, giving Kerry GAA a vital base of EUR3 million to start with. An additional EUR1 million was raised through the 'Friends of Kerry' organisation and through funding from the National Lottery, with the Kerry County Board seeking to raise the remaining EUR1.8 million, EUR700,000 of which has already been raised through events like the one being held in New York on May 28"

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 03/02/2016 14:56:33    1821949

You are right again Jimbo about the collapse of rural Ireland but the GAA can't do anything about that. That requires Enda and the boys to give incentives to companies to move to the west rather than Dublin. The GAA however can do something about the distribution of their own money. It won't change the problem but it can help.

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Of course the GAA cant do anything about it

That's the problem. That's why there has always been an imbalance - because Ireland isn't fair and the GAA is a direct reflection of how this country is setup ona socioeconomic level. To suggest otherwise is silly.

Enda and the boys will do little or nothing to address the greater problem - as this problem is many generation's in the making

Yes.. spread out a few more quid - but Dublin should and always will get the greater amount of funding because no other county has 1.4 million people living in it, a population larger than some provinces, and it has a lot of GAA clubs - many of which are dual clubs boys and girls, and population growth is set to rise even further in the coming years, while rural counties populations will continue to fall. That is a massive issue.

Central funding should be disrupted in greater amounts to struggling counties - absolutely

But I'm sorry- many will be disappointed with the end results - it will be no game changer as the REAL problems are of a far greater scale.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 03/02/2016 14:59:40    1821950

jimbodub- I'm not sure that I could agree with you. I do know quite a few counties where 1.4m would help in many ways including providing a paid coach to go into every school and a paid coaching officer for every club inside their county- that's one of the main recognised ways to develop and improve the games in any county and that is what has been happening in Dublin (if I am correct) which is good.

browncows (Meath) - Posts:816 - 03/02/2016 14:22:44 1821929


You'd never get 1.4 million anyway

The scale of Meath GAA would not warrant it.

It's important to not just pick a number and then apply it to a completely different set of variables...

Listen as I have stated repeatedly

I'm all for a redistribution but the numbers also have to make sense

Say if the GAA took €800,000 off that figure

Leave Dublin with €600,000

That would mean that each county would receive €25,000 each

It wont be any sort of game changer figure

A littler perspective is needed here... not predictable / generic rural outrage

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 03/02/2016 15:11:03    1821953

Good post arock.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 03/02/2016 15:14:45    1821955