Castlebravo hit the nail on the head!

A massive spreading of the wealth as people would have two effects. Firstly commercial funding to Dublin would drop, and as a result to the general GAA commercial funding would also drop.

Secondly, Dublin would be underfunded.

With this utopian thinking the GAA would return to its natural order, Dublin semi competitive and Kerry winning almost every year.

Bring back the good old days!

And soccer and rugby can steal the hearts and minds of the youth of Dublin.

As I mentioned earlier, this is a massive overreaction. It's all cyclic.

Nobody, calls the GAA out on Kilkennys annual cakewalk. They are called greats of the game.

Dublin win a few All Ireland's in the football and its circle the wagons time!!!!

There will never ever be fairness in sport. Look, Mayo have been eating Connaught titles and never cared too much for Leitrim. Now in this socialist GAA the Dubs are to pass off all their hard work to help all these smaller counties compete. Never seen Kerry care too much for the Waterford footballers!

Dublin can't help it if Meath and Kildare went for a doze for a decade. Mayo can't help it that Galway went in reverse there for a few years. Kerry can't help it if Cork are in transition. And up north they knock eight colors of sh** out of each other in the provincial championship. It's up to teams that have the potential to generate revenues and support to start maximizing their potential.

For all those moaners and begrudgers out there......one word! DONEGAL

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 22/12/2015 18:06:16    1813943

Damo you don't buy the Dublin leitrim comparison because they have never been on an equal foothold. Is that not the problem that Carr is trying to address? I heard from a reliable source that the Dubs were getting their meals delivered to them. What other county is getting that sort of preparation?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/12/2015 18:43:11    1813950

Castlebravo hit the nail on the head!

A massive spreading of the wealth as people would have two effects. Firstly commercial funding to Dublin would drop, and as a result to the general GAA commercial funding would also drop.

Secondly, Dublin would be underfunded.

With this utopian thinking the GAA would return to its natural order, Dublin semi competitive and Kerry winning almost every year.

Bring back the good old days!

And soccer and rugby can steal the hearts and minds of the youth of Dublin.

As I mentioned earlier, this is a massive overreaction. It's all cyclic.

Nobody, calls the GAA out on Kilkennys annual cakewalk. They are called greats of the game.

Dublin win a few All Ireland's in the football and its circle the wagons time!!!!

There will never ever be fairness in sport. Look, Mayo have been eating Connaught titles and never cared too much for Leitrim. Now in this socialist GAA the Dubs are to pass off all their hard work to help all these smaller counties compete. Never seen Kerry care too much for the Waterford footballers!

Dublin can't help it if Meath and Kildare went for a doze for a decade. Mayo can't help it that Galway went in reverse there for a few years. Kerry can't help it if Cork are in transition. And up north they knock eight colors of sh** out of each other in the provincial championship. It's up to teams that have the potential to generate revenues and support to start maximizing their potential.

For all those moaners and begrudgers out there......one word! DONEGAL
JayP (Dublin) - Posts:1277 - 22/12/2015 18:06:16

How would that happen?

If the GAA decided that Dublin could look after itself and it didn't need as much help as other counties did it wouldn't impact on Dublin as they are capable of funding themselves to compete at inter county level.By the way is anything Dublin's huge success has actually negatively affected the GAA's accounts as attendances at Leinster championship games involving Dublin have dropped in the last 7 or 8 years because it's a Turkey shoot most of the time.

Some counties are being crippled trying to compete at intercounty level and don't have the resources to compete with the top teams which is discouraging for those counties and their players.The cost of preparing teams is a big factor in intercounty GAA these days and lack of money is a big hindrance to success.

The GAA in my opinion should be imposing a tax on all commercial deals that county boards sign and the money should go into a central pool to be distributed to the counties who need it most.

Your I'm alright Jack attitude is exactly the problem that needs to be dealt with.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 22/12/2015 18:54:40    1813952

Why not cap spending? Crazy that some cpunty boards have been bailed out and continue to spend. In soccer, theres a financial fairplay system. Why not bring an equivalent to gaa? The notion of an upset in gaa is nearly a thing of the past now. It costs money to train. More money, more training, better recovery etc. Crazy money now on intercounty set ups. We are slowly choking our games.

old yellar (None) - Posts: 2625 - 22/12/2015 19:57:44    1813961

Uibh Fhaili,

I disagree, I remember population and money was a cross that the Dubs had to carry for lack of success. They were the stones the Dubs got thrown at them.

See this is only an issue because it's Dublin. Look at the revenues generated by Kerry, Mayo and Kilkenny. In two of the three cases there they actively only promote one code. At least Kerry are trying to hurl these days.

In relative terms, based on success, Kilkenny and Kerry have bossed their code and been really successful. During this era nobody asked either of them to pay for the supposed weaker counties. Kerry and Kilkenny were left off. Dublin have had a bout of success, and look to have a decent team. Why are they getting asked to do things others are not?

We are alright, and our clubs and county board are continually trying to keep things alright. There is no guarantee that money brings success, that population brings success, that tradition brings success.

Unfortunately Dublin can't plantate a couple of hundred thousand people to Carlow or Leitrim to help them get more competitive. Dublin have systems and structures in place that cost money. Let's ask Conor McGregor to fight without his left hand, or McIlroy to not bring a driver out on the course. Or only put Ruby on donkeys. Ask Katie Taylor to box with a blindfold!? Dublin have got their sh*t together in recent years, you hardly think they are gonna just give it away. And even if they do, will that guarantee a Waterford win in Killarney? Or a Leitrim win in Castlebar? Will the Wicklow hurlers beat Kilkenny?

I just think it weakens Dublin, and strengthens their nearest foes, so we get Kerry/Mayo/Donegal/Monaghan/Tyrone beating Dublin.

We kind of have that already! Donegal beat the Dubs in 2014. Mayo beat them in 2012. Cork in 2010.

Unfortunately it seems to only ever be an issue if Dublin win, if anybody else continually win its fine.

What can we do to make Kilkenny weaker?

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 22/12/2015 20:02:02    1813964

Damo you don't buy the Dublin leitrim comparison because they have never been on an equal foothold. Is that not the problem that Carr is trying to address? I heard from a reliable source that the Dubs were getting their meals delivered to them. What other county is getting that sort of preparation?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:2647 - 22/12/2015 18:43:11 1813950

True ,they have a contract with a catering company , water and a sandwich are delivered , not quite master chef .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 22/12/2015 20:16:13    1813968

Amazing this post is rehashed every few months and it goes on and on, with nothing new, no proposals, no ideas other than Dublin pay for everything.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 22/12/2015 20:29:17    1813971

The Dubs will have no decent teams left to play in a few years, it has happened already in Leinster?

What will happen then?
Who will bother going to see a cake walk in every game?
It benefits the Dubs in the long run if other counties get a better share of money to help them compete.

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 22/12/2015 20:53:36    1813975

Amazing this post is rehashed every few months and it goes on and on, with nothing new, no proposals, no ideas other than Dublin pay for everything.

arock (Dublin) - Posts:2848 - 22/12/2015 20:29:1

I suggested a tax on every counties commercial revenue and a re allocation o the counties who need it most..

Of course it's easy to ignore a sensible fair suggestion like that and take a narrow view of everything.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 22/12/2015 21:01:47    1813978

Uibh Fhaili,

I disagree, I remember population and money was a cross that the Dubs had to carry for lack of success. They were the stones the Dubs got thrown at them.

See this is only an issue because it's Dublin. Look at the revenues generated by Kerry, Mayo and Kilkenny. In two of the three cases there they actively only promote one code. At least Kerry are trying to hurl these days.

In relative terms, based on success, Kilkenny and Kerry have bossed their code and been really successful. During this era nobody asked either of them to pay for the supposed weaker counties. Kerry and Kilkenny were left off. Dublin have had a bout of success, and look to have a decent team. Why are they getting asked to do things others are not?

We are alright, and our clubs and county board are continually trying to keep things alright. There is no guarantee that money brings success, that population brings success, that tradition brings success.

Unfortunately Dublin can't plantate a couple of hundred thousand people to Carlow or Leitrim to help them get more competitive. Dublin have systems and structures in place that cost money. Let's ask Conor McGregor to fight without his left hand, or McIlroy to not bring a driver out on the course. Or only put Ruby on donkeys. Ask Katie Taylor to box with a blindfold!? Dublin have got their sh*t together in recent years, you hardly think they are gonna just give it away. And even if they do, will that guarantee a Waterford win in Killarney? Or a Leitrim win in Castlebar? Will the Wicklow hurlers beat Kilkenny?

I just think it weakens Dublin, and strengthens their nearest foes, so we get Kerry/Mayo/Donegal/Monaghan/Tyrone beating Dublin.

We kind of have that already! Donegal beat the Dubs in 2014. Mayo beat them in 2012. Cork in 2010.

Unfortunately it seems to only ever be an issue if Dublin win, if anybody else continually win its fine.

What can we do to make Kilkenny weaker?

JayP (Dublin) - Posts:1280 - 22/12/2015 20:02:02 1813964

You comparison using McGregor Katie Taylor etc is not applicable as they compete in individual sports and thus have equal resources to work with .i.e 2 arms and 2 legs.

In team sports teams because of location, population etc have unequal resources to work with.

I've suggested taxing all counties commercial revenue but again you only refer to Dublin being affected by this.All counties will be affected if it was up to me.

You attitude is exactly the same attitude that has held back professional soccer whereby it used to be quite competitive all across europe it is now the preserve of a wealthy elite with other teams just competing for potential financial gains rather than any hopes of real success.It didn't used to be that way with soccer.

If sports administrators in America (a country that hates socialism) can see that having restrictions and sharing resources to help the weaker teams is for the better good why the hell can't we do this in Ireland.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 22/12/2015 21:12:02    1813980

This is taken from a piece in Wikipedia about George Halas former Chicago Bears coach and owner

"He also offered to share the team's substantial television income with teams in smaller cities, firmly believing that what was good for the league would ultimately benefit his own team. "

That;s the way the GAA should be viewing things as well.

What Valley84 said above is 100% spot on.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 22/12/2015 21:15:07    1813981

Yeah, you are saying it's different for Katie Taylor etc......

But Ireland isn't America, and the GAA isn't professional. And those "franchise" can travel from city to city to get a financial benefit. Eg. The chargers are moving from San Diego.....

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 22/12/2015 21:48:46    1813983

Kilkenny are celebrated for beating everybody around them. Who is left for them to play?

People turn up still......

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 22/12/2015 21:53:26    1813984

Kerry had a profit of 900K, I am sure Cork, Mayo, Galway and Kilkenny don't want for a huge amount either. So what money does Dublin keep?
It generates its own income from its own resources - it is a brand in competition with other global sports and if Dublin was lost to the GAA it would be a disaster for the organisation.
Dublin generates revenue for central funds, as do all counties, just Dublin does a lot more of it due to its size. The GAA and the Dublin CB don't spend much on local clubs - who generally try to be self-sufficent. GPO's are part-paid by both club and GAA, unlike a lot of other counties. This is to generate interest in schools and development - if this is not done - it will be filled quickly and easily by other sports. The GAA understands this, its members don't.

TV money, Advertising, gate receipts, concerts etc are all generated by the GAA. If people are actually suggesting that Dublin should "donate" a percentage of its income to say Leitrim - why? Dublin are not the GAA.
Much is made of Dublin's population but maybe more should be made of the viability of small counties - no way can Leitrim compete because it has a pool of about 50,000 to draw from - no way is it viable or sustaniable - that is NOT Dublin's problem it is the GAA's. From a pool of 50,000 how are you even able to create a competitive Inter-county team?
I heard Podge Collins talk on TV about players being paid, in the context of this argument it is a joke idea - as he said it he togged out for Clare v Tipp in front of 300 people - totally off the wall and totally unrealistic. Maybe Dublin will help keep him in the luxury he feels he is entitled to.
Players want money, smaller counties need money, clubs need money, games need to be promoted, people don't want Dublin to play in Croke park (loss of revenue to GAA), they want they want they want. So what exactly has your county given to the GAA?

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 23/12/2015 08:30:48    1813985

Yeah, you are saying it's different for Katie Taylor etc......

But Ireland isn't America, and the GAA isn't professional. And those "franchise" can travel from city to city to get a financial benefit. Eg. The chargers are moving from San Diego.....

JayP (Dublin) - Posts:1282 - 22/12/2015 21:48:46 18

The GAA doesn't have to be professional for them them to try and spread more money around so the weaker counties aren't being left behind.

Again you don't see to see the bigger picture because Dublin aren't being affected (and won't be in the near future) by any financial restrictions meaning they can't compete with other counties. Smaller counties are being affected by this.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 23/12/2015 09:33:38    1813993

Kilkenny are celebrated for beating everybody around them. Who is left for them to play?

People turn up still......

JayP (Dublin) - Posts:1282 - 22/12/2015 21:53:26

People certainly don't turn up in the same numbers they used to for Leinster championship matches in both codes because both championships are pretty much over before they begin these days.

A large amount of Dublin and Kilkenny fans don't turn up because the games are foregone conclusions.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 23/12/2015 09:35:41    1813994

Again

There's a lot more to this issue than just throwing more money at counties

Nothing that I've seen mentioned is offering any sort of major incentive to stop young people pouring out of rural Ireland

The whole way this country is setup favours urban areas - Rural areas lose young people at a far greater rate

There's nothing being done to address that, and you only have to look around Ireland to see the massive implications that the economic crash has had on rural areas

10's of thousands of young people have left and with them all that talent and prospect

This outward migration is a massive issue for counties that already struggle

All the models are pointing to Dublin's population hitting 2 million in the next 20+ years and it will grow further

Mostly made up from outward migration from rural Ireland to Dublin

That's a far greater problem and the GAA throwing a few extra quid to buy everyone boots, or have meals made for them, is not going to solve the real problems at the core of this problem,

Because of the way the GAA is setup: County v County - of course this then is going to reflect the massive social-economic problems seen at present across Ireland

But unfortunately there's very little the GAA can do about it, because the problem is Ireland.

That's why I think Dublin will be eventually split, because there will be no other option but to do it

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 23/12/2015 10:02:22    1814001

AROCK, read below,
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641

To quote from this, 'Figures released in the 2014 financial report show that Dublin received €1.46 million for games development - more than the other 31 counties combined.'
Dublin are far from self sufficient the thing which grates here is not their success, fair play to them they have a great team at the minute, but why are the team with the largest pick, who play in their 'home' stadium only which is also Irelands largest being funded to such an extent if they are self sufficient. With their population Dublin could raise funds without issue so the question here is not trying to stifle Dublin, it is how to come up with a fairer model and more sustainable model as what we have at the minute will as you say lead to some of the smaller teams ceasing to compete.

Just to get a feel what would be worse for you as a GAA supporter, Dublin, or Cork, or Kerry being split to make a more competitive championship or the likes of Leitrim, Longford, Fermanagh pulling out of championships because of the sheer inevitabilty brought about by the current structures.

duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 23/12/2015 10:03:02    1814002

As I pointed out, the gaa isnt the nfl.

Blaming Dublin for all its woes is childish. Ban Dublin tomorrow......and Leitrim and Carlow will still be aboard a sinking ship. Kerry win the All Ireland.....Dublin will be the blame as they were banned!

You have to ask are these teams viable in the current format? If not...... change the format.

Dublin arent a big bad wolf. The problem exists with or without Dublin.

Without Dublin.......Mayo still give Leitrim a hiding. With Dublin.....Mayo give Leitrim a hiding.

Why is this a Dublin problem?

Kildare and Meath with resources and population less than Donegal are far less competitive. Lets blame Dublin.

Its a laughable argument. As I said....Lets throw Kilkenny out of the hurling

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 23/12/2015 10:40:50    1814012

It follows the rural narrative in general

Dublin gets everything while we have to suffer

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 23/12/2015 10:46:26    1814016