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Replying To GreenandRed: "Do you do standup as well ?" I have had the privilege of seeing both keepers live many times green and red and in my opinion McConnell was a better man between the sticks then cluxton . Cluxton rarely has anything to do bar kick the Ball out , but when he does have anything to do it usually ends up in the net. He's not good under a high ball it's easy to get in his head and he gets awful crank when things aren't going his way. So like I said before cluxton is a very good kicker of the ball but that's all. Not a great keeper. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 30/12/2016 11:43:57 1942317 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "I have had the privilege of seeing both keepers live many times green and red and in my opinion McConnell was a better man between the sticks then cluxton . Cluxton rarely has anything to do bar kick the Ball out , but when he does have anything to do it usually ends up in the net. He's not good under a high ball it's easy to get in his head and he gets awful crank when things aren't going his way. So like I said before cluxton is a very good kicker of the ball but that's all. Not a great keeper." Two great keepers. However I feel Clucko just shades it. McConnells save in the final won us the all Ireland, unreal save at that stage of the game. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 30/12/2016 12:06:12 1942322 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "What question marks have Tyrone and Kerry? Ok before I start they were both great teams. Tyrone never won back to backs, they never even made it to back to back all Ireland's I think the closest they ever got was 08 09 yet were beaten by a lot of average teams in their great period. Kerry did do back to backs but they were beaten and needed a second chance to do it , who did Kerry ever beat that was good back then (ok Armagh 06 I'll give them that) but otherwise they beat every team they were expected to beat and most of them were average. The one team that asks them questions all the time in Tyrone Kerry just couldnt beat, 3 times this great Kerry team were found wanting by the same team and had no answer to beating them. Other teams did Kerry massive favours by beating Tyrone for them. Dublin have beaten the best teams consistently over the last 6 years have done back to back and our still in their prime. Each year we've won Sam we've done it the hard way we're you've to hold your hand up and say they've beaten the best teams possible in all fairness" In Tyrone's case a lot of outside factors played a part especially in 2004 then I feel they had the best chance. They were a shell of a team that year. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 30/12/2016 12:20:22 1942327 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "I have had the privilege of seeing both keepers live many times green and red and in my opinion McConnell was a better man between the sticks then cluxton . Cluxton rarely has anything to do bar kick the Ball out , but when he does have anything to do it usually ends up in the net. He's not good under a high ball it's easy to get in his head and he gets awful crank when things aren't going his way. So like I said before cluxton is a very good kicker of the ball but that's all. Not a great keeper." Your post is a little bit OTT and so won't get constructive debate or response - certainly not from Dublin posters. He's not as bad as you're making out, but not as good as the media and many fans seem to think. The truth is somewhere in the middle. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 30/12/2016 12:21:11 1942328 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "I have had the privilege of seeing both keepers live many times green and red and in my opinion McConnell was a better man between the sticks then cluxton . Cluxton rarely has anything to do bar kick the Ball out , but when he does have anything to do it usually ends up in the net. He's not good under a high ball it's easy to get in his head and he gets awful crank when things aren't going his way. So like I said before cluxton is a very good kicker of the ball but that's all. Not a great keeper." Jaysus it's a wonder we've won anything with a keeper who can't catch or save anything who is as mentally weak as you claim. That really must mean that the other 14 lads are unreal and much better than we previously thought. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 30/12/2016 12:28:44 1942330 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "Your post is a little bit OTT and so won't get constructive debate or response - certainly not from Dublin posters. He's not as bad as you're making out, but not as good as the media and many fans seem to think. The truth is somewhere in the middle." You do have to be very careful when posting about Dublin players, they are a sensitive bunch ;) (pot kettle & black considering I'm from Tyrone) I would agreed with your statement Cavanman. Great keeper but question marks over his shot stopping. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 30/12/2016 13:13:53 1942336 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "Your post is a little bit OTT and so won't get constructive debate or response - certainly not from Dublin posters. He's not as bad as you're making out, but not as good as the media and many fans seem to think. The truth is somewhere in the middle." You do have to be very careful when posting about Dublin players, they are a sensitive bunch ;) (pot kettle & black considering I'm from Tyrone) I would agreed with your statement Cavanman. Great keeper but question marks over his shot stopping. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 30/12/2016 13:13:53 1942337 Link
Ya lads pascal McConnell had to deal with donaghy in his prime and he did. He also had to deal with the twin towers and he did. I still remember cluxton soloing out the field in 2007 and giving the ball away which we turned into a score for us and we won the game, Tyrone beat Kerry 3 times when we were at our best. Dublin didn't beat us once when we were at our best and McConnell had a big say in those Tyrone victories. Lee keegans goal in this years replay was fantastic but cluxton should have got a paw to it if he was the greatest keeper since 2000. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 30/12/2016 13:38:47 1942343 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "No Connacht player in his team....I would have P.Joyce in there for sure." Joyce for sure . Ciaran mc donald without question too .Other close shouts Connor mc manus , lee Keagan , Connolly , Think he's going with just all Ireland winners . Just because a player hasn't an all Ireland medal doesn't make any less of a player . GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 30/12/2016 13:58:12 1942346 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "What question marks have Tyrone and Kerry? Ok before I start they were both great teams. Tyrone never won back to backs, they never even made it to back to back all Ireland's I think the closest they ever got was 08 09 yet were beaten by a lot of average teams in their great period. Kerry did do back to backs but they were beaten and needed a second chance to do it , who did Kerry ever beat that was good back then (ok Armagh 06 I'll give them that) but otherwise they beat every team they were expected to beat and most of them were average. The one team that asks them questions all the time in Tyrone Kerry just couldnt beat, 3 times this great Kerry team were found wanting by the same team and had no answer to beating them. Other teams did Kerry massive favours by beating Tyrone for them. Dublin have beaten the best teams consistently over the last 6 years have done back to back and our still in their prime. Each year we've won Sam we've done it the hard way we're you've to hold your hand up and say they've beaten the best teams possible in all fairness" its just a shame that that Kerry and Tyrone team aren't in this era because if Dublin are struggling to get over the line against that Mayo side, think what two prime teams with a collection of some of the best players to have played the game may have done to their success. SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 30/12/2016 15:17:55 1942366 Link
Replying To SaffronDon: "its just a shame that that Kerry and Tyrone team aren't in this era because if Dublin are struggling to get over the line against that Mayo side, think what two prime teams with a collection of some of the best players to have played the game may have done to their success." Now that would have been interesting as our team of the teenies isn't a patch on our team of the naughties. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 30/12/2016 18:29:02 1942381 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Now that would have been interesting as our team of the teenies isn't a patch on our team of the naughties." Bit of an impossibile scenario. Equally you could make the point were the current dubs to go back to the 00s they would have denied both Tyrone and kerryall irelands a plenty. Remember that 4 of their all Irelands were courtesy of the back door while the dubs have won all through the front. Plus the dubs have beaten everyone on their way this decade without exception. To have one single player on the team of the millennium is a strange view from a player such as Pat. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 30/12/2016 19:36:05 1942391 Link
Replying To Donegalman: "Bit of an impossibile scenario. Equally you could make the point were the current dubs to go back to the 00s they would have denied both Tyrone and kerryall irelands a plenty. Remember that 4 of their all Irelands were courtesy of the back door while the dubs have won all through the front. Plus the dubs have beaten everyone on their way this decade without exception. To have one single player on the team of the millennium is a strange view from a player such as Pat." Donegal man These so called brilliant dubs have won 3 allireland finals by 1 point and 1 allireland by 3 points now it's not their fault .but there were a lot of teams at the same high level in the naughties where as this decade the dubs have been given an easy path through Leinster and the refs take care of any team lucky enough to be close to the dubs near the end of a game in the knockout stages. Plus the dubs get all the money from the GAA and play all their games at home. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 30/12/2016 22:38:45 1942416 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Donegal man These so called brilliant dubs have won 3 allireland finals by 1 point and 1 allireland by 3 points now it's not their fault .but there were a lot of teams at the same high level in the naughties where as this decade the dubs have been given an easy path through Leinster and the refs take care of any team lucky enough to be close to the dubs near the end of a game in the knockout stages. Plus the dubs get all the money from the GAA and play all their games at home." Don't forget that it rains more now as well. Another advantage for the Dubs and disadvantage for Kerry MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 30/12/2016 23:36:05 1942429 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Donegal man These so called brilliant dubs have won 3 allireland finals by 1 point and 1 allireland by 3 points now it's not their fault .but there were a lot of teams at the same high level in the naughties where as this decade the dubs have been given an easy path through Leinster and the refs take care of any team lucky enough to be close to the dubs near the end of a game in the knockout stages. Plus the dubs get all the money from the GAA and play all their games at home." You crammed a good bit in there. I think that the mayo team of this decade are as good as any team to win the all Ireland. Yes Leinster is fairly rubbish, but I thought that the provincial championship was neither advantageous nor disadvantageous in terms of winning the all Ireland. Dublin are a league winning side too. I really can't fault them no matter what holes I try and find. The money is a factor but a lot of it went into hurling in the city. It's not as if others are without patronage nor sponsorship either. Back to the point, I would include 4 other dubs in the line up even f it were to deny Murphy his spot. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 31/12/2016 01:38:31 1942439 Link
That Mayo side??? The Mayo side who have been in semi finals or finals the last 5 years , that's a very good Mayo team the best Mayo team they ever had imo (no one on here was alive in '51), the great Kerry and Tyrone teams didn't hammer everyone either but you obviously refuse to remember that. And please stop with the McConnell bs Stephen Cluxton is the greatest keeper of all time, it's not even close. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 31/12/2016 12:23:30 1942461 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "Don't forget that it rains more now as well. Another advantage for the Dubs and disadvantage for Kerry" Not only does it rain more but it's bad rain. Much more dense than 10 years ago harder to strike a ball through it even with high tech boots. But the bad rain and having Jim Gavin as boss is the perfect storm for the Dublin team, if you pardon the pun. As a pilot Jim has extensive meteorology training, sure he's as good a weatherman as Ger Fleming, though his casual dress sense would be a no no with the Donnybrook hierarchy. Jim's match planning is meticulous. Not only does he know when it will rain down to the minute but he has observed the effect the hard rain has on a ball in flight and has his players drilled to know the zones to kick from in bad rain spells. A little known fact. I'm astonished other counties haven't questioned the ethics of this unreal advantage that the Dubs have. Probably their biggest asset next to actually having a load of class players and a second 15 as good as any other county. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7343 - 31/12/2016 12:25:48 1942462 Link
Replying To Donegalman: "You crammed a good bit in there. I think that the mayo team of this decade are as good as any team to win the all Ireland. Yes Leinster is fairly rubbish, but I thought that the provincial championship was neither advantageous nor disadvantageous in terms of winning the all Ireland. Dublin are a league winning side too. I really can't fault them no matter what holes I try and find. The money is a factor but a lot of it went into hurling in the city. It's not as if others are without patronage nor sponsorship either. Back to the point, I would include 4 other dubs in the line up even f it were to deny Murphy his spot." Donegal man You have always been one of the fairest most balanced posters on this forum and I'd say you like to look at the good in every team, but even you have to admit that the dubs get more dubious decisions from refs then any other teams ? What really really brought this home to me was Joe macquillan in 2011 Dave coldricl in 2015 and especially David gough in this years semifinal. I had seen gough ref many games and he always refer them to the letter of the law and I was delighted he got this years semi but then he totally changed the way he reffed he let so many things go it was beyond unusual for him. And that's just from the Kerry side of things there have been loads more strang incidents between dubs and other teams that you'd question ref decisions, as the great Paud o'sé would say a grain of rice could tip the scales , well the refs seem to make sure they tip towards the dubs. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 31/12/2016 12:49:43 1942463 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Donegal man You have always been one of the fairest most balanced posters on this forum and I'd say you like to look at the good in every team, but even you have to admit that the dubs get more dubious decisions from refs then any other teams ? What really really brought this home to me was Joe macquillan in 2011 Dave coldricl in 2015 and especially David gough in this years semifinal. I had seen gough ref many games and he always refer them to the letter of the law and I was delighted he got this years semi but then he totally changed the way he reffed he let so many things go it was beyond unusual for him. And that's just from the Kerry side of things there have been loads more strang incidents between dubs and other teams that you'd question ref decisions, as the great Paud o'sé would say a grain of rice could tip the scales , well the refs seem to make sure they tip towards the dubs." Sure that must be it. Dublin are great because the league ref is on their side. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7343 - 31/12/2016 18:02:50 1942496 Link
That's wetter rain aswell in Croke Park and the goal posts and uprights are a bit whiter than usual so it's easy to see why teams struggle against Dublin.Sometimes the corner flags are a different colour to the flags along the sideline and this all combines to create confusion for some opposing players. It's beyond a joke at this stage. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 31/12/2016 19:39:21 1942505 Link