Fully correct slayer. However, the issue with that is it turns the all Ireland series into a bit of a lame duck as regards a good competition and a spectacle in general. I suppose as things stand, you have one of two options available:

1. For want of a better phrase, basically milk Dublin for all it's worth and turn a blind eye to the effects that has on the sport itself while the cash is rolling in.
2. Limit Dublin to more competitive levels and rely on the superior level of competition that generates to create more income.

Personally, I think there is far more scope in the second option, and it is quite narrow-minded of the gaa to take the first one. They seem to have gotten hung up on the idea that 1/3 of the population support Dublin, while completely overlooking the fact that this means 2/3 dont. Plus, you can always sell a good sporting spectacle to neutral observers, whereas Dublin winning the majority of the time only appeals to people from Dublin. What the gaa is crying out for is a couple of objective advisors to offer some direction and a bit of forward thinking, but of course the gaa being the gaa, that will never happen.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 24/11/2015 11:44:27    1809466

HenryHill, with of them in particular took your fancy?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 24/11/2015 11:45:12    1809467

UFC, darts and the Dubs. Looks like Setanta have their target demographic well worked out.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 24/11/2015 11:46:56    1809468

Now as someone who attends all or nearly all of my county's league matches I'm not too pushed what county's are being shown on television.

But what bothers me about this, is that Dublin are allowed play all there matches on Saturday evenings, whereas the other Division 1 teams have only 1 Saturday evening match during the League.


So for the sake a few extra thousands bums on seats Dublin get to enjoy the atmosphere and convenience of Saturday night fixtures.

Doesn't seem quite fair.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 24/11/2015 12:16:05    1809474

Commercial tv station selects matches involving the county with the biggest fanbase and highest potential viewership.

Now where did I leave my torch and pitchfork...

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 24/11/2015 12:26:49    1809481

How dare a commercial tv station try to makimise their potential tv viewership and earnings...

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 24/11/2015 12:40:34    1809484

maximise*

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 24/11/2015 12:52:49    1809488

Richieq
County: Meath
Posts: 2313

Lads cop on, 20'000 odd in a stadium fit to hold 82'300!!! that's the point I make as I have made numerous times before, no harm to Dublin but league matches should not be played on a regular basis in Croke Park and I have been consistant in that view, save for special once off games that might draw big attention. I acknowledge that Dublin have tried to establish a new ground and their shameful treatment in relation to proposed land purchase at Spawell was rightly highlighted as how neglectful our country has become to deserving causes. If all Dublin's home games are being screened live on Setanta then I would suggest that Parnell Park be utilised as a home venue for the League in all fairness lads you can't have it every way all the time and that's not a criticism of Dublin its just my opinion on the matter

So you think that 20,000 is a small crowd for a league game but your suggestion is to half it again by playing them in Parnell?

So 10,000 in PP is more than 20,000 in Croker? Got it now.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 24/11/2015 13:10:09    1809491

How has this discussion become a bait the GAA , if anyone feels aggrieved surely your anger should be aimed at Setanta ????

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 24/11/2015 13:13:42    1809493

The point is the GAA are allowing a Television company dictate to them that one county should get all the Saturday night fixtures and have all its games shown live to suit the TV Companies' market.

That's not fair on the rest.

The GAA is a 32 County organisation that needs to to threat every county equally, regardless of what one TV station or One county board wants.

There's 7 other counties in Division 1 and most of them have big attendances at all their League games.

Kerry has less than 10% of Dublin's population yet gets an average of 7 - 10,000 at its home games. That's pretty fair going when you compare the 20,000 at Dublin's games so that argument about greater attendances doesn't really wash.

Look all CB will look after there own interest.

I'm not blaming the Dublin CB for trying to get as many homes games as they can in League/Championship, trying to get as many prime time slots for games, trying to ensure their county has as much TV exposure as possible. They are doing what's best fro Dublin, as they should.

BUT its up the the Central Council to stop doffing the hat to Dublin and treating them and their team the same as everyone else.

If Kerry or Kilkenny enjoyed playing all their matches in Nolwan Park or in Killarney, if their games were the only ones being televised or if they were getting all the high profile Saturday night fixtures I'm sure there would be a hell of a lot of uproar about it.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 24/11/2015 13:22:20    1809499

Are there any Self Employed people on here is everyone a communist ? Do people not get supply and demand the fee received by Setanta gives them the cherry pick of what they want , how can guys not get that , do you think for one second any TV station would part with money and be told by the organisation what games they could and couldn't show ????????? What cuckoo land are you guys living in .
Ive already stated I will be at the games and am travelling to at least one away fixture in Mayo equally I don't have Setanta so to the Pub should that be the case , I am beginning to think guys really do not engage their brains in the real world before responding on here .
As mentioned I would watch any of the teams previously mentioned no matter who they were playing , I suggest Settanta think I might be in a minority hence they want the biggest audience possible , have a sneaking suspicion they probably employee people to gauge these things . Guess they might have been told Saturday night maximises their product and to people like Setanta that is what our games are a product .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 24/11/2015 13:36:06    1809503

If you're a Dub these are great times and why wouldn't they relish it? However the GAA, media's and advertisers fixation with them is ultimately going to have a wider detrimental affect on other counties and the GAA. If Dublin continue to win Sam and Leinster every year, get favourable decisions on and off the pitch, win every disciplinary appeal going, get richer and eventually drift out of sight people outside Dublin will lose heart and interest. I think that is starting to happen in their own province where Meath, Kildare, Laois etc appear to be getting weaker.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 24/11/2015 13:48:23    1809511

MadgeKing
County: Cavan
Posts: 72

1809468
UFC, darts and the Dubs. Looks like Setanta have their target demographic well worked out.


A Snob... from Cavan of all places...

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 24/11/2015 13:52:18    1809515

The games should be in CP... If they start falling to PP numbers or below

Or whenever there aren't enough people in Crokepark for it to break even at the minimum. I would have thought that was good business sense.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 24/11/2015 15:29:15    1809551

Floops
County: Dublin
Posts: 1578

1809515 MadgeKing
County: Cavan
Posts: 72

1809468
UFC, darts and the Dubs. Looks like Setanta have their target demographic well worked out.


A Snob... from Cavan of all places...

Can you explain how that is being snobbish? Are darts and UFC not very popular in Dublin?

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 24/11/2015 16:24:29    1809573

gotmilk
County: Fermanagh
Posts: 2607

1809551 The games should be in CP... If they start falling to PP numbers or below

Or whenever there aren't enough people in Crokepark for it to break even at the minimum. I would have thought that was good business sense.

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A lot more ways than ticket sales to generate revenue - having the games in CP is very lucrative for sponsorship etc etc

Also the money Setanta would pay for all of this would be a massive sum - a vast portion of which goes straight to the GAA and then to all.

They are obviously making a profit - if they weren't - it wouldn't be happening

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 24/11/2015 16:45:23    1809578

probably only for Dr Hyde Park not having floodlights all the Dubs games would be shown on Setanta. It will probably be shown on tg4 which will probably be the only Roscommon game shown in the league. When a game is shown live on Setanta highlights are shown on tg4 on Sunday and Monday of that game and on Sunday on Rte as well as on Setanta during while other games in the same division get zero coverage. People talk about commercial decisions but look at the premier league in England where every team are guaranteed a number of there games will be shown live despite sky paying a fortune for rights, indeed Setanta have made shown poor commercial judgement in the past. Surely the role of the Gaa is to promote gaa in every county in Ireland not just one. I think not having these Saturday night games on free to air tv is a big marketing loss for the gaa. The don't really think much for supporters for example my own county have to go to Cork and Kerry twice in February both games fixed for Sunday afternoon instead of at least having one on a Saturday evening.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 24/11/2015 20:50:49    1809653

Floops
County: Dublin
Posts: 1578

1809515
MadgeKing
County: Cavan
Posts: 72

1809468
UFC, darts and the Dubs. Looks like Setanta have their target demographic well worked out.


A Snob... from Cavan of all places...

Take away the S floops and you have it about right.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 24/11/2015 21:30:02    1809661

ROS1
County: Roscommon
Posts: 342

1809653 probably only for Dr Hyde Park not having floodlights all the Dubs games would be shown on Setanta. It will probably be shown on tg4 which will probably be the only Roscommon game shown in the league. When a game is shown live on Setanta highlights are shown on tg4 on Sunday and Monday of that game and on Sunday on Rte as well as on Setanta during while other games in the same division get zero coverage. People talk about commercial decisions but look at the premier league in England where every team are guaranteed a number of there games will be shown live despite sky paying a fortune for rights, indeed Setanta have made shown poor commercial judgement in the past. Surely the role of the Gaa is to promote gaa in every county in Ireland not just one. I think not having these Saturday night games on free to air tv is a big marketing loss for the gaa. The don't really think much for supporters for example my own county have to go to Cork and Kerry twice in February both games fixed for Sunday afternoon instead of at least having one on a Saturday evening.

I genuinely feel your frustration , but can I point out SKY can give the commitment to teams as to how many times they will feature due to two important factors 1 the amount of games they have to pick from 387 games played over Saturday morning evening -Sunday 3 allotted kick off times and Monday evenings , also the competition is over a timeriod of August to May .
Thus they give a commitment thatsrelatively easy to keep , that can not be said of the national league were the games don't even reach double figures .
Constant comparisons with The Premier league are akin to apples and oranges , taking your own county I am looking forward to seeing how you manage in with the big boys , and would not care a jot if youd got more games ahead of ourselves .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 25/11/2015 11:02:56    1809730

apologies typo 38 games per season

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 25/11/2015 13:16:50    1809794