Personnally i took no offence to what O Se said yesterday.I was out for a walk listening to it and had a wee snigger when he used the word "scumbags".He could of used a better,more sanitised word,but i knew where he was coming from.O Se has full respect for Dublin and has regularly lavished praised on us.I think hes a great pundit,just try not use the word "scumbags"again Tomas.There are many far more suitable words for some of our ....ahem....tasty footballers

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 09/05/2016 10:27:41    1853168

I'm not buying the slip of the tounge defense, he could have praised the team for the whole interview but as someone who makes a living from the media who new the key word that would get the headline.

Its all gamesmanshp, but remains undignified, to put it nicely to get leverage in the championship, or create a seige mentality. Additionly there is a fatiuqe around Dublin beating everyone and in marginal games come Aug and Sep a soft free gained against the framed "raping and pillaging, scumbags", may be very welcome, though its a sad state of affairs when you use of the field tactics to enhance your chances on the pitch.

Its shockingly undignified and i am really surpised, i can understand the hurt but they are really letting themselves down here.

Hopefully the "raping and pillaging, scumbags" tag line will be used to motivate the lads in August, no place to hide in Croker.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 09/05/2016 10:31:11    1853170

The irony of Fitzmaurice talking about Donaghy given the way Kerry treated Michael Murphy both in the All-Ireland final of 2014 and league game of this year, it's fairly nauseating.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts:398 - 09/05/2016 09:01:47

It's quite clever in a way though. Fitzmaurice has managed to shift the attention away from Donaghy's off the ball antics. A lot of journalists and pundits have swallowed it whole that Donaghy was badly treated by the Dubs and the referee when that wasn't the case at all. In fact the referee had given Donaghy the freedom to do what he liked for long parts of the game.

In GAA, if you repeat things enough some people will accept them as facts. Donaghy plays referees very well and it is ridiculous to think that he is in someway not getting his fair share of calls, but Fitzmaurice has managed to shift the narrative and I'd expect to hear more of this from fans, journalists etc in the coming months.

Very clever from Fitzmaurice.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13711 - 09/05/2016 10:34:57    1853173

I'm not buying the slip of the tounge defense, he could have praised the team for the whole interview but as someone who makes a living from the media who new the key word that would get the headline.

Its all gamesmanshp, but remains undignified, to put it nicely to get leverage in the championship, or create a seige mentality. Additionly there is a fatiuqe around Dublin beating everyone and in marginal games come Aug and Sep a soft free gained against the framed "raping and pillaging, scumbags", may be very welcome, though its a sad state of affairs when you use of the field tactics to enhance your chances on the pitch.

Its shockingly undignified and i am really surpised, i can understand the hurt but they are really letting themselves down here.

Hopefully the "raping and pillaging, scumbags" tag line will be used to motivate the lads in August, no place to hide in Croker.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts:26 - 09/05/2016 10:31:11 1

He literally did praise them the whole interview. What more do you want???
He used the wrong word to describe the type of player that every team needs to go the extra yard.
He should know. Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile

"This Dublin team is mentally tough. They can win, they can lose, they can win dirty, they can win when they play poorly," he told RTÉ Sport.
"They have a mixture of great players. They have a mixture of, for the want of a better word, a scumbag when they need somebody on the team to do the nasty things.
"It's not only that they have the great players, they have a system of play and everyone is buying into that system.
"They have good management and they are strong all over the field. They have everything you need to make a good team great.
"At the moment they are the best in the land. Whether they are the greatest ever I'm not too sure."

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 09/05/2016 10:48:10    1853181

Mes Amis, I think you're right.

It's clever, but deeply disingenuous and its trying to somehow mould a martyr out of one of the inter-county football's most cynical players.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 09/05/2016 10:53:17    1853184

The irony of Fitzmaurice talking about Donaghy given the way Kerry treated Michael Murphy both in the All-Ireland final of 2014 and league game of this year, it's fairly nauseating.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts:398 - 09/05/2016 09:01:47

A foul is a foul regardless of what went before. Why isn't anyone standing up for Michael Murphy, Aidan O'Se or any of the big lads?

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 09/05/2016 11:20:33    1853198

Superglue, People who are doing interviews for Radio & TV & getting paid for it are classed as journalists/analysts/commentators, what ever you want to call it. Off the cuff or not it was out of place. The fact that you come on here condoning it shows the problems that are in the Gaa. Laughable really a bit like God being in charge of climate change, lol.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 09/05/2016 13:33:23    1853272

TheUsername

Its a pity the Dublin team aren't as thin skinned and sensitive as yourself as they'd be actually beatable then.

Tomas made a mistake in terms of his vocabulary for a split second and rightly apologised afterwards. He has given great praise to this unbelievable Dublin team (he was actually accused of being too praiseworthy just a few weeks ago on League Sunday by none other than Ciaran Whelan to the best of my recollection - If I'm wrong someone please tell me but I dont think I am)

Do you believe for a second that this Dublin team is soft and roll over at the sign of pressure? Ridiculous thought. You think the likes of Connolly, McCarthy, Cooper + McMahon aren't willing to go beyond the line of duty to do what it takes to win? I wish we had a bit more of that hard-nosed attitude to be honest as we might not get trounced by 15 points or so the next time we play ye.

It takes a big man to admit his mistakes and I'm glad that Tomas did so as I wouldn't expect any less from him.

KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 09/05/2016 13:55:21    1853282

If Fitzmaurice was standing up for the big guys that would be one thing... But he is standing up for his own man alone, Donaghy.

He couldn't care less about Michael Murphy and how he is treated, Kerry's treatment of Murphy under Fitzmaurice's watch has proven this and more. This isn't a crusade for big players but a self-serving agenda. I have nothing against self-serving agendas, every manager has them! But given Donaghy's track record of behaviour, he should just keep quiet.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 09/05/2016 14:41:30    1853298

KYTitletown


I wish we had a bit more of that hard-nosed attitude to be honest as we might not get trounced by 15 points or so the next time we play ye.

From watching the league final you truly believe that what Kerry was missing was a "hard-nosed attitude"? Really?

Is this real life?

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 427 - 09/05/2016 16:07:36    1853332

Limerick, were well matched in the black arts in their prime too in the mid 00's!
Dara gave John Galvin a good smack but that was in a league semi final and he got sent off for it...so if you want to bring up stuff from over ten years ago, please get your facts right.

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 09/05/2016 16:31:27    1853353

greatpoint

You misconstrued my post badly. I have stated on numerous points that ye are way ahead of the pack by a big distance (at least 6/7 points ahead of anyone else). The 'hard-nosed attitude' was only one of the aspects missing from Kerry which would have helped us not get slaughtered to the extent that we did.

Unless of course you believe that there is a 15 or more point difference between the sides. Now I know it was 'only' 11 points on the day but I also know Dublin were a long off top gear and made quite a few sloppy errors so I think a 15 point barometer between the 2 sides is accurate based on the League Final. I think all going well the gap isn't actually that big but I could be wrong

KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 09/05/2016 16:41:58    1853363

Superglue, People who are doing interviews for Radio & TV & getting paid for it are classed as journalists/analysts/commentators, what ever you want to call it. Off the cuff or not it was out of place. The fact that you come on here condoning it shows the problems that are in the Gaa. Laughable really a bit like God being in charge of climate change, lol.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts:39 - 09/05/2016 13:33:23 185

Where am I condoning it???

You are misrepresenting how the comment was delivered.
Someone reading your earlier post would assume that Tomas wrote that in an article.
Of course it was the wrong choice of words, but there's a big difference between writing it and saying it in an interview.

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 09/05/2016 16:49:05    1853368

but there's a big difference between writing it and saying it in an interview.

How so? It's still an insult either way.

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 09/05/2016 16:53:25    1853371

but there's a big difference between writing it and saying it in an interview.

How so? It's still an insult either way.

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts:937 - 09/05/2016 16:53:25

It is but with one of them you take time put it to paper. The other you make a slip of the tongue.

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 09/05/2016 17:17:28    1853377

How so? It's still an insult either way.

And he duly apologised for his error. Do you think he should be nailed to the cross for that.

I don't he made a bad vocabulary slip but nobody is perfect, Tomas more than anybody realises that you don't win All Irelands with angels and choir boys you need a bit of divil at times. He was actually praising them for them that trait one inappropriate word shouldn't disguise what he was trying to say.

KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 09/05/2016 17:34:34    1853387

Bloody animals those Kerry fans :)
I like Tomás O'Sé

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 09/05/2016 18:29:04    1853397

What O 'Shea said was not meant in an insulting way and is a storm in a teacup. His choice of words was poor but there was no malice in them IMO. He was using the wrong term for the right reason and God knows he's a kerryman and would know all about that side of the game and he certainly played with a few lads who were well versed in the special treatment department.
I think he's a fair and straight up pundit and like the way he gets his message accross.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 09/05/2016 19:05:11    1853402

KYtitletown: I do think the players will take note, in fact a concern of mine has been how can this team stay motivated to keep beating Kerry now that it's becoming an annual occupancy and the sheen has worn off. These raping pillaging, scumbag jibes through the media - well it's a great motivational tool and will help our prep come August. My point wasn't about the team though, nor how broad my own shoulders are. It's really about respect, sportmanship and dignity or lack there off.

Do you think it's dignified to use an adjective of another teams play as raping or pillaging - despite the obvious offence to broader society that causes. Do you think it's dignified to refer to other team players as scum bags? Should the county be proud of these remarks or the behaviour of their manager and alumni.

I know it's fear, hurt and anger and an out pouring, Kerry aren't used to sitting on the second place podium, but there is a dignity in humility. As many have already said it is indeed ironic given the style Dublin play the game and the way Kerry play the game these days with a huge dollar of cynicism.

My overriding feeling is one of sadness if I'm honest, I expected more , but maybe I underestimated the hurt and pressure these guys most be feeling. Dignity is important in winning but Prob more so in looseing.

See you's in Aug, we will spring well.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 09/05/2016 19:20:54    1853408

It's clever, but deeply disingenuous and its trying to somehow mould a martyr out of one of the inter-county football's most cynical players.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts:401 - 09/05/2016 10:53:17

It's definitely disingenuous but people believe it.

The truth is that Donaghy gets quite favourable treatment from referees, he has done for years, but Fitzmaurice is trying to change the perception. It started after the All-Ireland Final last year a little and it's continuing after the League Final.

Fitzmaurice is playing the long game now, but think come August and a long ball goes into Donaghy and the Kerry crowd go mad as they believe he's always being fouled and it is in the referee's mind that Donaghy's being victimised, a few more soft frees may come their way!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13711 - 09/05/2016 20:11:35    1853425