Ha ha, cheers Bref! How's things?

Bald Eagle (None) - Posts: 1009 - 21/10/2015 16:55:49    1801051

I agree with you entirely Bald Eagle . We should have a small committee which recommends rule changes at the end of the year . Central Council should then debate the proposed changes and by simple majority pass those they deem to be beneficial .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 21/10/2015 18:09:54    1801079

21/10/2015 16:25:27 Bald Eagle
Can you show where exactly (in bold if you like) I called you names? I don't have any issues with anything on here, in bold or otherwise but you should be aware when you do the amount of quoting in one post like you have done that is very hard to read. Don't take things so personally, nothing is personal on here so just chill out! It is personal to constantly call someone names on here. Its name calling deliberately and intentionally to personally attack me and people should no better.
I embolden other peoples posts to totally clarify which posts are mine. This forum isn't up to date enough like most others which is why I put posts not mine in bold
21/10/2015 15:12:42 Bald Eagle
Ommerthingy (who loves bold quotes), are you seriously saying that GAA can learn NOTHING from rugby or vice versa? If so, then it's the end of the argument for you and any discussion on the matter between us as you clearly are deluded as to the shortcomings and good practice in both. We can always learn and always improve, when we stop striving to make our product better then we may as well give up on the whole thing! Its very clear in this post that you are calling me names. You deliberately spell my name completely wrong and call me deluded.
I never said anything like the GAA can learn nothing from rugby. Where on earth did I state that?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/10/2015 18:49:38    1801092

1. I couldn't remember how to spell your name when i started typing the reply, if you take that personally then that says more about you.

2. I was pointing out a fact, if you think that the GAA cannot learn from rugby or other codes, then you are clearly deluded. Sorry if that offends your tender personality but it is a fact.

End of subject from me.

Bald Eagle (None) - Posts: 1009 - 21/10/2015 19:51:52    1801106

20/10/2015 20:15:09 Whammo86 2 The time keeping is way better being out of the hands of the ref. Probably unrealistic at club level but possible at county level 21/10/2015 08:28:28 tirawleybaron THis idea is what annoys me most about GAA. I have played basketball most of my life and from the age of U10 upwards there is someone sitting at a desk beside the court whose job it is to start and stop the clock. They then ring a bell or blow a horn or whatever to signal the end of a half/quarter and there is no drama. They are even able to stop the clock for timeouts when required. This person does not need a degree in maths either, just reasonable hand eye coordination and the ability to see what the ref is doing. How are the GAA not able to do this? Anyone who thinks this cannot be done at every GAA match any every level up and down the country is a clown. Many/most other team sports have the referee controlling time so why is it an issue in GAA? Though at same time could there not be a qualified referee on the sideline/in stand micced up to the referee ala rugby and if referee on pitch says time on/time off. The clock stops/starts?


I actually didn't put a load of thought into that, I'll make sure not to let that happen in future. I thought about it more since. I agree with Ormondbannerman there isn't a huge need for a timekeeper, as Tirawleybaron states it's a pretty simple task for a referee to keep time. I don't agree with him that it's easy to have a separate timekeeper at club level. Such a person needs to be a neutral, are we going to have to expense their time like we do referees, seems a bit impractical at club level to be doing that for such a simple job that the referee can just do himself. I also had a think of why I like the system in rugby. I actually don't think it's particularly necessary from a fairness point of view. I just like it as a spectator for excitement. I know in a tight game that once the time is up if the leading team gains possession then that is game over. Makes it really intriguing when a team has possession and is chasing a lead. I think it would add to the excitement of county football to have the clock available for spectators. I don't think it's a huge issue though either.

I also don't think the thread is particularly negative. I love our game, I just think a few changes could make it even better. I mainly feel the running of the current competitions are limiting the games appeal somewhat. I also feel it lets down both the county and club player and that the problem could be improved quite easily. More games in a shortened season is the way to go, it's what fans and players both want.

I could be wrong but I thought the experiment with the sin bin wasn't actually the same as the rugby sin bin rule. As another poster mentioned a sin binned player was allowed to be substituted in those situations. I remember it being the same punishment as the black card except for all yellow card offences.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 21/10/2015 20:16:20    1801114

21/10/2015 19:51:52
Bald Eagle
1. I couldn't remember how to spell your name when i started typing the reply, if you take that personally then that says more about you.
2. I was pointing out a fact, if you think that the GAA cannot learn from rugby or other codes, then you are clearly deluded. Sorry if that offends your tender personality but it is a fact.
End of subject from me.Its fairly easy if you keep to the first word - Ormond.
Its all about respect and it doesn't say more about me than you that I want to be known as my name
I think all organisations can learn from each other and have always stated that.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/10/2015 20:17:09    1801115

ffs Ormond grow up will you!!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 22/10/2015 10:34:41    1801174

22/10/2015 10:34:41
bumpernut
ffs Ormond grow up will you!! What of those who are calling me names? Should they not have to grow up as well?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/10/2015 11:37:02    1801201

I agree discipline towards refs is something we can learn from rugby but it works both ways, in rugby the captains ask the ref what was that penalty for etc and the ref explains, in GAA if you question a ref he looses the head and brings the ball forward 13 metres and if you still keep asking you get a yellow card. When I was playing club football we had an awful habit of asking questions and refs bringing the ball forward so we started thinking there has to be a way around it so when the ref gave a free say nothing let them take the free and then ask the ref what was that for, he can't bring the ball forward and you could complain to the co board if he books you for asking a question. Time keeping is another issue but if you are 1 point down in a champ match the last thing you want is the game to end at 60 mins for club and 70 for county, so I'd rather time keeping stay as it is. With regards to officials you need all 7 officials on the pitch to work together and all have their say on a decision in front of them, give the linesmen and umpires more power, be better if they were also referees instead of the brother in law of the ref or a neighbour doing the line or umpire. Alcohol no, you can't allow alcohol into the grounds, all you get are drunks which can end up in fights and the biggest gripe is the constant in and out of the bar and toilets of supporters. Drive people insane having to get up of your seats to let people in and out all the time and blocking the view of the people behind you. Biggest improvement would be standard of refs and the respect by players towards them but I have seen a few times in Galway at Connacht rugby matches where refs can be dodgy with the big team getting most of the calls, I remember a Heineken cup game v Gloucester where the away team threw a forward pass but ref and linesman saw nothing, it was so far forward that the ball went from 1 goal towards the other goal

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 22/10/2015 12:49:34    1801219

22/10/2015 12:49:34 riverboys
I agree discipline towards refs is something we can learn from rugby but it works both ways, in rugby the captains ask the ref what was that penalty for etc and the ref explains, in GAA if you question a ref he looses the head and brings the ball forward 13 metres and if you still keep asking you get a yellow card. When I was playing club football we had an awful habit of asking questions and refs bringing the ball forward so we started thinking there has to be a way around it so when the ref gave a free say nothing let them take the free and then ask the ref what was that for, he can't bring the ball forward and you could complain to the co board if he books you for asking a question. Time keeping is another issue but if you are 1 point down in a champ match the last thing you want is the game to end at 60 mins for club and 70 for county, so I'd rather time keeping stay as it is. Referees in GAA have to change as well no question but figuring out a way to improe player referee relations has to happen
22/10/2015 12:49:34 riverboys
With regards to officials you need all 7 officials on the pitch to work together and all have their say on a decision in front of them, give the linesmen and umpires more power, be better if they were also referees instead of the brother in law of the ref or a neighbour doing the line or umpire. Alcohol no, you can't allow alcohol into the grounds, all you get are drunks which can end up in fights and the biggest gripe is the constant in and out of the bar and toilets of supporters. Drive people insane having to get up of your seats to let people in and out all the time and blocking the view of the people behind you. Biggest improvement would be standard of refs and the respect by players towards them but I have seen a few times in Galway at Connacht rugby matches where refs can be dodgy with the big team getting most of the calls, I remember a Heineken cup game v Gloucester where the away team threw a forward pass but ref and linesman saw nothing, it was so far forward that the ball went from 1 goal towards the other goal How would you increase the number of people being qualified officials?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/10/2015 13:55:36    1801251

22/10/2015 12:49:34 riverboys
I agree discipline towards refs is something we can learn from rugby but it works both ways, in rugby the captains ask the ref what was that penalty for etc and the ref explains, in GAA if you question a ref he looses the head and brings the ball forward 13 metres and if you still keep asking you get a yellow card. When I was playing club football we had an awful habit of asking questions and refs bringing the ball forward so we started thinking there has to be a way around it so when the ref gave a free say nothing let them take the free and then ask the ref what was that for, he can't bring the ball forward and you could complain to the co board if he books you for asking a question. Time keeping is another issue but if you are 1 point down in a champ match the last thing you want is the game to end at 60 mins for club and 70 for county, so I'd rather time keeping stay as it is. Referees in GAA have to change as well no question but figuring out a way to improe player referee relations has to happen
22/10/2015 12:49:34 riverboys
With regards to officials you need all 7 officials on the pitch to work together and all have their say on a decision in front of them, give the linesmen and umpires more power, be better if they were also referees instead of the brother in law of the ref or a neighbour doing the line or umpire. Alcohol no, you can't allow alcohol into the grounds, all you get are drunks which can end up in fights and the biggest gripe is the constant in and out of the bar and toilets of supporters. Drive people insane having to get up of your seats to let people in and out all the time and blocking the view of the people behind you. Biggest improvement would be standard of refs and the respect by players towards them but I have seen a few times in Galway at Connacht rugby matches where refs can be dodgy with the big team getting most of the calls, I remember a Heineken cup game v Gloucester where the away team threw a forward pass but ref and linesman saw nothing, it was so far forward that the ball went from 1 goal towards the other goal How would you increase the number of people being qualified officials?
Don't see any problem with alcohol being in grounds. People can be jerks with or without booze. Have no issue with people drinking.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/10/2015 13:56:45    1801252