Damo, life is too short.
The Master resents the Dubs and that is his prerogative and he will not engage in any discussion that might give in any way credit to Dublin.
But will gladly go on and on and on . About our advantages.
Id leave it if I were you.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 22/10/2015 19:35:00    1801369

AthCliath your oh so right , dont normally get involved but Muster and Ulcerman really bug me with their in breath hatred of all things blue .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 22/10/2015 20:13:15    1801376

I think people are getting carried away with concentrating on Dublin itself. This isnt a Dublin issue, its a Leinster Council issue and it is an issue of fairness.

I mean we have this thinly veiled threat that there wont be as much funding available if they take the Dubs out of croker, (now this isnt Dublins fault, they dont insist on playing every game there) but the fact that seems to be missed is it makes no differrence if there is less funding beacuse the funding isnt split fairly anyway (again this isnt the fault of Dublin GAA, they arent demanding extra funding, they are making the most of what they are given)

The fact is the GAA is dying a death in many counties across the country and the GAA have a responsibility to either do the fiscally smart thing and pump money as per population as they are doing or else do more to help the less well off. Threats of funds being cut is a rather mute point when you look at how the funds are distributed, A 5% drop of f-all is still f-all.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1351 - 23/10/2015 08:44:13    1801411

jimbodub, you talked about a spending cap in isolation. Then you said it wouldn't be fair as teams wouldn't be able to spend up to it. But you ignored the sharing of funds part, which solves the issue of teams not being able to spend up to it. Instead you start talking about how Dublin already contribute, when in fact it isn't relevant in the slightest - everyone contributes. No person from Dublin gives more than a person from Kildare of Carlow or wherever. So no, you didn't address it. you addressed part of it, and then found fault, while ignoring the part that fixes that issue.

The problem is your focus is solely on Dublin. You don't actually care about the gaa, only Dublin gaa. You are happy for it to sink as long as Dublin are strong. This mentality is the reason why the gaa is dying a death, and it is. You barely get two or three good games before the semi final stages these days, mainly because of guys with this mentality making high level decisions to suit themselves.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 23/10/2015 09:50:43    1801431

Themaster

Ok

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 23/10/2015 10:05:20    1801436

I addressed the sharing of funds

I gave a very specific response to that

I'm not going to repeat myself. I've made myself very clear

But again - I gave a very specific answer to the shared funds idea - in fact I was quite blunt about it

What more do you want?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 23/10/2015 10:15:25    1801439

Master, I personally would have no problem with a spending cap, but how would it operate. Are you talking of restricting the amount a County can spend on their Senior team only, or all spending on coaching and development from the youngest grades up. Secondly, and probably more importantly is the spending cap only to apply to the spending of grants received from central funds, or do all monies raised by various supporters clubs and friendly benefactors come into play. It's very obvious that a lot of county teams are being financed by money raised from outside the county boards finances, and fair play to them, but until ALL monies available are open to scrutiny then talk of a cap are just pointless.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 23/10/2015 12:08:18    1801500

Nothing creates such a buzz and excitement and grabs the attention of young and old like an inter-county c'ship game played in your local county ground. It does more to generate interest in and a love of our games than any amount of advertising could do. To see All-Ireland winners up close displaying their range of skills lives for years in the minds of young children. Crose Park is a magnificent stadium but lacks real atmosphere unless it is nearly full. The atmosphere created in a small compact ground, filled to the rafters on c'ship day, is unbelievable. The buzz and excitement spreads beyond the arena and takes over the the whole bringing colour and trade that will not be seen again until Christmas time. Many people, mainly the young and the old, rarely, if ever, are able to get to Coke Park to watch games. Of course all players say they want to play in Coke ParK as it means they have progressed to the later stages of the c'ship. The Dublin team are good enough to play and win anywhere and I'm sure they would enjoy sampling the atmosphere in the smaller towns and grounds. The GAA might lose money but that should be of secondary importance to promoting the games by bringing live action to the youngsters around the country.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 23/10/2015 12:36:12    1801520

neverright
County: Roscommon
Posts: 95

1801520 Nothing creates such a buzz and excitement and grabs the attention of young and old like an inter-county c'ship game played in your local county ground. It does more to generate interest in and a love of our games than any amount of advertising could do. To see All-Ireland winners up close displaying their range of skills lives for years in the minds of young children. Crose Park is a magnificent stadium but lacks real atmosphere unless it is nearly full. The atmosphere created in a small compact ground, filled to the rafters on c'ship day, is unbelievable. The buzz and excitement spreads beyond the arena and takes over the the whole bringing colour and trade that will not be seen again until Christmas time. Many people, mainly the young and the old, rarely, if ever, are able to get to Coke Park to watch games. Of course all players say they want to play in Coke ParK as it means they have progressed to the later stages of the c'ship. The Dublin team are good enough to play and win anywhere and I'm sure they would enjoy sampling the atmosphere in the smaller towns and grounds. The GAA might lose money but that should be of secondary importance to promoting the games by bringing live action to the youngsters around the country.

Excellent post , agree , already paying off a few bob for May league game staying over , trust me Dubs have no issue travelling and yes love an athmosphere , Dubs on the road the thread nice for it to be brought back to that as opposed to the constant whinging of one poster .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 23/10/2015 13:27:00    1801537

AHP
County: Dublin
Posts: 94

1801500 Master, I personally would have no problem with a spending cap, but how would it operate. Are you talking of restricting the amount a County can spend on their Senior team only, or all spending on coaching and development from the youngest grades up. Secondly, and probably more importantly is the spending cap only to apply to the spending of grants received from central funds, or do all monies raised by various supporters clubs and friendly benefactors come into play. It's very obvious that a lot of county teams are being financed by money raised from outside the county boards finances, and fair play to them, but until ALL monies available are open to scrutiny then talk of a cap are just pointless.
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Good post AHP - I'm a little in the dark myself

I had presumed that themaster was speaking about county panels only

That's fair enough - but there's an awful lot more moving parts to this idea, and his rather vague sound bites of a shared pool doesn't really add up under any sort of scrutiny

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 23/10/2015 13:31:32    1801541

Damothedub
County: Dublin
Posts: 2858

1801537 neverright
County: Roscommon
Posts: 95

1801520 Nothing creates such a buzz and excitement and grabs the attention of young and old like an inter-county c'ship game played in your local county ground. It does more to generate interest in and a love of our games than any amount of advertising could do. To see All-Ireland winners up close displaying their range of skills lives for years in the minds of young children. Crose Park is a magnificent stadium but lacks real atmosphere unless it is nearly full. The atmosphere created in a small compact ground, filled to the rafters on c'ship day, is unbelievable. The buzz and excitement spreads beyond the arena and takes over the the whole bringing colour and trade that will not be seen again until Christmas time. Many people, mainly the young and the old, rarely, if ever, are able to get to Coke Park to watch games. Of course all players say they want to play in Coke ParK as it means they have progressed to the later stages of the c'ship. The Dublin team are good enough to play and win anywhere and I'm sure they would enjoy sampling the atmosphere in the smaller towns and grounds. The GAA might lose money but that should be of secondary importance to promoting the games by bringing live action to the youngsters around the country.

Excellent post , agree , already paying off a few bob for May league game staying over , trust me Dubs have no issue travelling and yes love an athmosphere , Dubs on the road the thread nice for it to be brought back to that as opposed to the constant whinging of one poster .

Two good posts there and more importantly to the point and on topic

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 23/10/2015 13:39:27    1801547

The Master,
Wake up and smell the coffee.
It's not Jimbo or any Dublin's fans responsibility to care about the Gaa outside their own county,that's not being selfish that's caring about and doing your best for your own county and club to succeed. Don't be throwing out this lame and last gasp effort in trying to win an arguement, that we are ruining the Gaa as a whole . Really is a sad attempt at throwing the onus onto Dublin again.
Your own county spent millions last year to compete in the AllIreland championship.
Elverys are now involved in mediating to make sure a fiasco like this year doesn't happen again in Mayo, such is the money involved.
Their is no doubt a huge gulf exists between the haves and the have nots trying to compete for Sam. But open your eyes Mayo are one of the haves and any arguement you want to discuss about the state of the Gaa as a whole being in decline, well then Mayo are doing exactly the same as Dublin, Kerry , Donegal, Tyrone, looking after themselves and trying to get an edge by any means possible.
I personally feel Dublin should be on the road in Leinster irrelevant of stadium capacities and this shouldn't be about money. But money men in Gaa unfortunetly have the power. There is some very good valid arguements for the Dubs to go on the road.
Unfortunetly you aren't able to discuss these.







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AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 23/10/2015 17:30:22    1801617

Jasus, the admin is a bit harsh.

Leave the Dubs on the road.

Just reading TheMasters "usual" views.

Question for him, with the unfair resources at Dublins command, and the drive to stop Dublin becoming all conquering and all that bother.....

The same unfairness persists in Connaught, Mayo have massive resources compared to Leitrim for example, my question to TheMaster is how would you divide Mayos resources to make the Connaught Championship fairer?

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 23/10/2015 19:41:24    1801644

Just as I suspected..... tumbleweed

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 25/10/2015 09:44:19    1801776

Well jayp, you could start by giving some of dublins resources to the other counties in connaught.

Like in leinster, Dublin get more funding then the other 10 counties combined. Talk about overkill.

With your resources, your domination was inevitable. But the geniuses in the GAA have decided to fast track your dominance by giving you the lions share.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 01/11/2015 12:31:38    1803444

Why JackGoff, are Meath (a county with numerous AllIrelands) not as competitive as Monaghon, Donegal, Tyrone non of those teams recieved any funding from Dublin.Yet 2 have won All Irelands and Monaghon recently have started to make great strides.
Ironically Meath get a share of Dublins Crokepark receipts .

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 01/11/2015 12:47:32    1803446

Jack_Goff

Well, let's start with my question!? Mayo have heaps more cash than Leitrim or Sligo. Forget about Dublin for a second. The Connaught Championship is unfair. Mayo have resources the others can only dream about. But Mayo fans don't care about the weaker counties in their province, they win it handy and prepare for the bigger fish in the All Ireland series. Mayo are dining at the top table, and wouldn't throw the others scraps. Mayo aren't going to pool resources to make Connaught more competitive, it would weaken them, and they have their eye on July and August.

Dublin are portrayed as the big bad wolf. But Dublin are trying to promote hurling and football in an aggressive market. See, I'll make it easy, if you have a Jack Russell, it's easy and cheap to feed. If you have a German Shepherd it's more expensive! The machine that is Dublin GAA will have a bigger bill than most because they are dealing with the same problems other counties have but on a much bigger scale.

Now, why would Dublin send their funding to Connaught!? Yeah it weakens Dublin, makes that Championship slightly stronger, and Mayo still win! The problem is most counties don't have structures in place, so giving them money to burn is a waste of time. Without strong foundations you can't build a house. Dublins funding gets pumped into grassroots and the clubs. They have a development structure that they continually improve.

Donegal don't have Dublins resources, they beat us last year. Meath would have enough of a population and funding to match Donegals, if Donegal can' beat Dublin so can Meath. Neither county would be considered dual counties so they can spend most of their funds on one code.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 01/11/2015 16:20:21    1803480

Ye are still fighting like cats and dogs here. Look as a Mayo fan I only care about my team and hopefully living to see us win the All Ireland...end of. Dublin fans should only care about their team, Galway, Kildare, Kerry etc etc.

Now everyone want a competitive championship sure. You can't compare a Connacht team like Leitrim who will never win Sam as they have a population less than Athlone town. The like of Kildare or Meath though have no excuse. Big populations, put structures and plans in place and challenge Dublin in the future.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 02/11/2015 09:18:31    1803609

Jayp would you listen to yourself.

You justify your funding because it goes to the grass routes. Do you not think mayo also invest a lot in their grass routes?

Regardless most of mayos funds are raised by them. Dublin get ridiculous funds from many outside sources, mainly the GAA and the government.

Now should the likes of mayo or kerry get much gaa or government funding when they can raise so much themselves? No. Absolutely not. My view is that kerry, Cork, mayo and Dublin should get nothing. They can look after themselves.

All GAA money should be invested in the grass routes of the 20 weakest counties. The likes of meath, Kildare. Galway, Tyrone, donegal can mainly look after themselves and meath should be doing better.

And don't bring up the other sports arguments. Soccer and rugby takes a lot of the best talent from the gaa in many counties outside dunlin, wicklow, Kildare and meath to the fore.

Unlike Dublin, the gaa has no longer got a strong appeal compared to soccer and rugby. A 15 year old isn't too motivated by the idea of a 15 point drubbing to dublin in croker.

So to conclude, the likes of Dublin, Cork, kerry and mayo should not be helped and instead the weaker counties. We all suffer, even the dubs.

It took until the mayo semi final for Dublin to get a competitive game in the all Ireland last year and the year before. How exciting eh?

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 02/11/2015 09:31:21    1803614

Jack_Goff
County: Meath
Posts: 1730

1803614 Jayp would you listen to yourself.

You justify your funding because it goes to the grass routes. Do you not think mayo also invest a lot in their grass routes?

Regardless most of mayos funds are raised by them. Dublin get ridiculous funds from many outside sources, mainly the GAA and the government.

Now should the likes of mayo or kerry get much gaa or government funding when they can raise so much themselves? No. Absolutely not. My view is that kerry, Cork, mayo and Dublin should get nothing. They can look after themselves.

All GAA money should be invested in the grass routes of the 20 weakest counties. The likes of meath, Kildare. Galway, Tyrone, donegal can mainly look after themselves and meath should be doing better.

And don't bring up the other sports arguments. Soccer and rugby takes a lot of the best talent from the gaa in many counties outside dunlin, wicklow, Kildare and meath to the fore.

Unlike Dublin, the gaa has no longer got a strong appeal compared to soccer and rugby. A 15 year old isn't too motivated by the idea of a 15 point drubbing to dublin in croker.

So to conclude, the likes of Dublin, Cork, kerry and mayo should not be helped and instead the weaker counties. We all suffer, even the dubs.

It took until the mayo semi final for Dublin to get a competitive game in the all Ireland last year and the year before. How exciting eh?

Your like a broken down record,its up to the likes of Meath and Kildare to get there own houses in order,they should be well able to compete with Dublin,kerry mayo Donegal tyrone monaghan cork can,why not Meath and Kildare?

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 02/11/2015 16:01:17    1803774