Why not operate on the principle of supply and demand.

A quarter final in Nowlan Park would sell out fairly quickly. Jack up the prices due to the high demand and your make the same money.

€20 per head for 40,000 people in Croke Park compared to €40 per head for 20,000 in Nowland Park.

Its not such a big deal. Big cost is the loss of corporate seats. We cannot go around upsetting corporate Ireland now can we.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1126 - 21/10/2015 13:49:54    1800955

Leinster council, what about the cost for theses county fans having to go to croke park, the travel cost for theses counties,
Leinster council have just prove money is the only thing on their mind(and maybe many more in the gaa are the same)

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 21/10/2015 14:28:40    1800970

Supply and demand really , isnt that were soccer lost its sould , took a working class game and handed it to the middle class prawn eating brigade , now dont get me wrong I earn a very good living and in my semi D its a far cry from my corpo house were I grew up , I could afford possibly whatever they charge , but Im not the majority , equally the price structure currently seriosly encourages kids and familes to attend .
So to sum up its take the Dubs out of Croker charge double so that same amount of money is generated then distribute equally to county boards , you couldnt make it up .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 21/10/2015 20:20:16    1801116

Would it be possible that when Croke park was been done up the Leinster Counties were asked not to build major stadiums like Thurles, limerick, etc, a person I was talking to in the last couple of days informed me of this.

johnwhite12 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 306 - 22/10/2015 08:46:02    1801152

jimbodub
I'd also be in favour of a spending cap if introduced
But this will still mean other counties can still spend more than others - with some being able to spend up to the max level
So the system still won't be fair

But that is why the excess would be spread around to other counties. So it would be fair.

People talk about the gaa being a business. Well every sporting enterprise that has grown has done so on the back of a high level of competition. The Premier League for example - the reason it is so competitive is because everyone gets the same tv money. Increasing the level in competition is the way to improve the gaa, and the way to do that is to give everyone a certain level of spending power. This is a move in that direction.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/10/2015 10:19:41    1801172

themaster

It's all hypothetical

But for me a spending cap could be something that may be introduced

But sure teams spending above other teams is nothing new... and well.. there's never been a cap

So who knows... this imbalance is something that has existed for a long time

In terms of counties contributing to a central pot - in the current system

Dublin already contributes a lot of funding - the term "cash cow" has been attached to Dublin GAA in GAA circles

Through attendance, sponsorship (attached to the large viewing figures associated with Dublin's televised games)both during the NFL and Championship and so on...

So the Dublin brand is already contributing - and at a scale above every other county

Also just a suggestion... ignore if you want, but just a suggestion

I think you should be using a term like "more balanced" rather than the flat term "Fair" when discussing issues such as this

Fair suggests total equality

Things will never be at that level, and never has been... it's impossible to implement, but things could be more balanced than they currently are...

And certainly a spending cap on county teams could be a way of addressing this... it wouldn't be perfect solution, far from it, but would bring a more balanced alternative

Again though... additional funds raised by individual counties above any cap - IMO should be being pumped into games development within their own system.

It should go to the running of the grass roots within their own county - some counties have much higher populations / amount of clubs / Dual status to factor into the overall picture etc - some counties have a lot more moving parts.

Listen all hypothetical, but is something that may happen down the line in some sort of fashion...but just look at the resistance to change a painfully unbalanced championship structure... I wouldn't hold my breath

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 22/10/2015 13:40:03    1801247

TheMaster
County: Mayo
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1801172 jimbodub
I'd also be in favour of a spending cap if introduced
But this will still mean other counties can still spend more than others - with some being able to spend up to the max level
So the system still won't be fair

But that is why the excess would be spread around to other counties. So it would be fair.

People talk about the gaa being a business. Well every sporting enterprise that has grown has done so on the back of a high level of competition. The Premier League for example - the reason it is so competitive is because everyone gets the same tv money. Increasing the level in competition is the way to improve the gaa, and the way to do that is to give everyone a certain level of spending power. This is a move in that direction.

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 22/10/2015 13:58:31    1801253

And yet again the Master for close on the one millionth time reverts to type and mentions FAIR in a Dublin thread , you know master its just occurred to me that FAIR can be found in FAIRYLAND if you look close enough .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 22/10/2015 14:01:39    1801255

The Premier league also has clubs that spend vast amounts more than other clubs and who can attract more sponsors and such

The Premier league is hardly a good example of fairness themaster

You'd also have to factor in the type of sport played there

You have teams in the Prem league with literally zero chance of winning it

Not sure it's a very good example to follow

Don't we already have that?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 22/10/2015 14:17:24    1801261

Jimbo, I cant work out if you are disagreeing with the proposal or not. You don't really reference it, just talk around the subject at length.
A fairer system is a good thing for the gaa surely?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/10/2015 14:37:26    1801268

Damo, I don't know what issue you have with the word fair, or what point you are trying to make about it. Nor do I care.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/10/2015 14:43:23    1801274

That's fair enough.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 22/10/2015 15:38:06    1801300

TheMaster
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1801274 Damo, I don't know what issue you have with the word fair, or what point you are trying to make about it. Nor do I care.

Maybe it your incessant overuse of the word that drives me nuts or it could be that its the only club you have to beat Dubs with and then it again maybe its your convenient use of the word and how you rarely use it when discussing your own county .
As asked previously is it fair that I belong to a club that has 350 members but a club beside me has over 1500 with a bigger catchment area and only one soccer club to worry about , No but that's life theres allways been big clubs theres allways been small clubs , counties are no different and without your over used word FAIR the GAA seems to have gotten as the clubs have gotten on just fine .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 22/10/2015 15:41:29    1801302

TheMaster
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1801268 Jimbo, I cant work out if you are disagreeing with the proposal or not. You don't really reference it, just talk around the subject at length.
A fairer system is a good thing for the gaa surely?

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Sorry thought it was clear enough myself

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 22/10/2015 15:44:58    1801306

And Finals should always be played in Croke Park - That's where a Leinster Final belongs

If Dublin ended up in a final with a county more geographically south, why not play it in Thurles? Armagh & Tyrone played an Ulster Final in Croker a few years back. We are now in a situation where there is little or no atmosphere at Dublin games prior to the 1/4 final stage so having the game in Thurles might address that.

To be fair to Dublin, their hurlers have come down to Thurles year after year for qualifier games and quarter finals with no complaints. Again this year when they beat us, a small band of fans came down and were impressive. They and their travels have to be commended. If Dublin's hurling fans can do it, most fans could do it. I do take on board the difficulties that fans with kids have, but that is just the same as people from Kerry or Donegal face each year when their games are on in Croker, the money maker.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 22/10/2015 15:57:08    1801310

TheMaster
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1801268 Jimbo, I cant work out if you are disagreeing with the proposal or not. You don't really reference it, just talk around the subject at length.
A fairer system is a good thing for the gaa surely?

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I've answered all that

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 22/10/2015 15:57:53    1801311

If people think Dublin are going to win fewer Leinster titles because they play outside Croker then they are mad.

The reason Dublin play in Croker is that most the counties and players want to play their!!!

Remember play were they are asked to play so this is not a Dublin issue.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 22/10/2015 16:56:59    1801325

No you didn't, you talked about the dubs contributing. Nobody said they didn't, nor is it relevant to the point of a spending cap with the excess spread around to counties who cant make it up to that level. It wouldn't only be Dublin who have an excess you know. Your entire scope of the gaa seems to revolve around Dublin for some reason.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/10/2015 17:51:08    1801342

jimbodub
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1800926 I'd also be in favour of a spending cap if introduced

But this will still mean other counties can still spend more than others - with some being able to spend up to the max level

So the system still won't be fair

But any additional fund's that can still be raised by individual counties that would be above the spending cap

Shouldn't be spread out to other counties - it's not up to the likes of Dublin GAA to fund toxic CB's... which there are very many examples

Sure a spending cap... but any surplus raised by the likes of a top county like Dublin

Should be pumped back into games development within Dublin GAA

Not spent on counties who have plunged themselves into debt

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 22/10/2015 17:58:19    1801345

Damothedub
Maybe it your incessant overuse of the word that drives me nuts or it could be that its the only club you have to beat Dubs with and then it again maybe its your convenient use of the word and how you rarely use it when discussing your own county .
As asked previously is it fair that I belong to a club that has 350 members but a club beside me has over 1500 with a bigger catchment area and only one soccer club to worry about , No but that's life theres allways been big clubs theres allways been small clubs , counties are no different and without your over used word FAIR the GAA seems to have gotten as the clubs have gotten on just fine .

I will use any word which I believe to be apt, how that affects you doesn't concern me in the slightest.

No that isn't fair. I agree, maybe you could change it? Isnt there talk of splitting up some clubs in Dublin though? Which would indicate a pursuit of fairness within your own county. Maybe you can rant and rave jibberish about that also?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/10/2015 17:58:31    1801346