royaldunne
County: Meath
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First off this was second post i did on this, my point is was, that is the aspects like cynicism /diving, feigning injuries etc having a detrimental on people (not like us the die hards) but the more general public getting turned off by how football has become, look at the rwc the respect the refs are given, the tmo etc, less mistakes.
I have nothing against Rugby and will be tuning in on Sunday like the other million will be, but my first love is football and i still want that to be the premier competition for viewership especially that it was only a group game.
That was my point, not knocking either.


But your post makes no sense. There is no top level GAA on so it isn't comparable. They are not competing so who cares how many tune in?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7902 - 06/10/2015 20:13:11    1796565

I was talking about curling, royaldunne ;-)
it was doirecity talking about elitism, it's been done to death here seven or eight times already. doesn't make a difference to me, I'd think it was just as cr@p if it was the number one sport in all the halting sites and flats in Ireland

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 06/10/2015 20:48:16    1796577

Flaker. I think you are missing the point. This was a pool game , in fairness while it didn't turn out that convincing no one ever thought we would ever get beat.
Against the all Ireland football final, the premier sporting event in the country against the most populated county and the most successful county, im sorry but compare the two of them and its surprising.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 06/10/2015 21:06:33    1796589

Jesus man, there was no other event on to compare it with so why wouldn't people tune in to watch their country in the World Cup? You brought up the audience figures for a top GAA match, and how it worries you? Ridiculous stuff to be honest, start worrying when they are on at the same time and more people watch the rugby, otherwise enjoy the 2 sports.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7902 - 06/10/2015 21:35:45    1796605

Was a poor football championship. Too many tactical defensive games. Kerry v Cork the first game was very good. Westmeath v Meath and Kerry v Tyrone were two more good games but I can't remember with free flowing football being decided in the dying minutes. Maybe a few are going off football a bit ?

The rugby has been well publicised/hyped. Not really sure why many would want to watch Ireland under Schmidt against decent opponents. They'll be very cagey and not throwing the ball around too much Watching them against poor opponents is nearly worse.Loads of free flowing rugby but the outcome is never in doubt, no tension. Other countries better to watch.

I hope next year's football championship brings better football. And more viewers.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7347 - 06/10/2015 21:57:20    1796613

Some hope of that GreenandRed. Leinster is a foregone conclusion.Munster, the usual -- Cork and Kerry. Connacht may generate a bit of excitement to see if Mayo slip back or do Galway and Roscommon move forward. But these will be local skermishes without wider appeal unless all 3 show they they have what it takes to be relevant in August/September.Ulster is very competitive, but unless you're from the province it is hard to have interest in what goes on up there. I've been saying it for a while : as far as Joe Public is concerned, inter-county football is now a 6-7 week season that may hold the attention of the nation for the months of August and September only. And it is not even guaranteed to do that anymore.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 07/10/2015 09:29:11    1796634

"Comparing it with the soccer World Cup is ridiculous, soccer is played by almost every country, with high numbers playing in each country. Only countries with high%players are Wales, South Africa (whites) + New Zealand. Nothing wrong with it being a Cup for ex-colonies BTW, cricket is similar"

Considering the football WC is the only WC bigger than it how can you not compare the 2 when chatting about viewing figures etc?

You are forgetting samoa, tonga, fiji and the fact japan got more people watching their rugby team in this world cup than their football team. Yes the 2 are different.....thats why we compare them. if we compare two identical things whats the point? Its no more a cup for ex colonies than the rugby. The fact that most modern big audience sports are either from the uk or adapted versions of uk sports such as american football or say AFL and the fact that they had control of a third of the world you have to expect a certain level of ex brit countries to be involved. I think this view of saying its not a proper world cup as a good few teams are ex brits is stupid. Its like saying a polo tournament in some posh part of england is an Indian tournament as it was invented and spread by them. You can delve too much into the history of these sports and have to accept them for what they are today.

20 teams in the rugby cup. If we increase to 32 you would have to include:

Spain
Russia
Chilie
Hong Kong
South Korea
Portugal
Zimbabwe
Kenya
Belgium
Tunisia
Moldova
Germany


So if these teams where included in a new 32 team format would it be considered more of an inslusive world in your opinion?

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/10/2015 09:52:08    1796643

'Hurling is potentially dangerous. Gaelic is potentially dangerous. Rugby is potentially dangerous. To say its extremely dangerous as a sport shows a lack of understanding of the sport. You have never really played or been involved in the sport if you think its extremely dangerous'.

If it isn't becoming more physical and dangerous then tell me why someone like George Hook is refusing to let his grandkids play due to how dangerous it is becoming. He was on the Late Late show a few months back discussing concussion at the time as he was one of the first analysts to flag concussion as a serious issue.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 07/10/2015 10:20:33    1796657

"If it isn't becoming more physical and dangerous then tell me why someone like George Hook is refusing to let his grandkids play due to how dangerous it is becoming. He was on the Late Late show a few months back discussing concussion at the time as he was one of the first analysts to flag concussion as a serious issue."

No idea why he isnt letting them play considering concussion treatment and care is a mile ahead of when he played. hypocritical is you ask me. If he wants to bubble wrap them from dangerous sports then rule them out of horse riding, football, hurling, rugby, soccer, cycling, boxing, judo, skiing, motorsports, ice hockey, cricket, diving, bobsledding (all had deaths in the sport) etc

Sure look at poor Philip McGuinness who dies in 2010 playing football! It happens in every sport, walk of life or even just leving your front door (and before you do)

Next he will be worried about them swimming incase the drown.

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/10/2015 10:39:57    1796661

"You only have to look at the Wales England match a couple of weeks ago and see various players splayed out on the ground near the end of the match after heavy collisions"

Cant be that bad. Seems to me proof they are being cautious with their players health

"We are all fully fit. We have got a couple of bumps and bruises, but generally we are good to go." Wales physio

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/10/2015 11:02:05    1796673

There's no doubt about it, rugby at the top level has become more dangerous. Clearing out rucks & head on tackles etc, the hits are savage. Even though it's a very big spectator sport here, there hasn't been much of increase in the numbers playing the game. Even in Wales where the Welsh rugby team are Gods, player numbers are actually down.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 07/10/2015 11:15:26    1796682

"There's no doubt about it, rugby at the top level has become more dangerous. Clearing out rucks & head on tackles etc, the hits are savage. Even though it's a very big spectator sport here, there hasn't been much of increase in the numbers playing the game. Even in Wales where the Welsh rugby team are Gods, player numbers are actually down."

Has there been an increase in major injuries or just more precautions taken?

In regards to numbers:

"In 2014, the total number of registered players increased from 2.36 million to 2.56 million while the total number of non-registered rugby players rose from 4.3 million to 4.47 million. 488,000 children in 105 nations were also introduced to the sport via World Rugby's Get Into Rugby programme during the year."

Looking at one country as a way of saying rugby is in decline is foolish

http://pulse-static-files.s3.amazonaws.com/worldrugby/photo/2015/03/05/61b7a966-a65a-4952-8b71-74bed89a8d7c/WR_2014_Player_Numbers.jpg

http://www.worldrugby.org/development/player-numbers

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/10/2015 11:34:08    1796695

Stroke City please don't feel compelled to monopolise every discussion.

My point was directed at Ormo

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 07/10/2015 11:58:53    1796709

"Stroke City please don't feel compelled to monopolise every discussion."

I forgot you were the admin. How many posts am i allowed a day oh great one?

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/10/2015 12:12:47    1796712

16/52 posts are mine. thats 35% odd precent. Shall I explain a 'Monopoly' to you? ;)

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/10/2015 12:14:38    1796715

21457 posts in the last 10 topics. I commented less than 50. thats about 0.3%

I fail to see your point bumpercar

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/10/2015 12:17:06    1796720

And incase you do want it explained I have done you the favour already ha ha

"Monopoly is a board game that originated in the United States in 1903 as a way to demonstrate that an economy which rewards wealth creation is better than one in which monopolists work under few constraints[1] and to promote the economic theories of Henry George and in particular his ideas about taxation and women's rights.[3] The current version was first published by Parker Brothers in 1935. Subtitled "The Fast-Dealing Property Trading Game", the game is named after the economic concept of monopoly-the domination of a market by a single entity. It is now produced by the United States game and toy company Hasbro. Players move around the gameboard buying or trading properties, developing their properties with houses and hotels, and collecting rent from their opponents, with the goal being to drive them all into bankruptcy leaving one monopolist in control of the entire economy. Since the board game was first commercially sold in the 1930s, it has become a part of popular world culture, having been locally licensed in more than 103 countries and printed in more than 37 languages."

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/10/2015 12:19:28    1796722

"21457 posts in the last 10 topics. I commented less than 50. thats about 0.3%

I fail to see your point bumpercar"

sorry 13% stupid small phone screen (and hangover)

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/10/2015 12:26:29    1796725

ffs you're tiresome!

Are you allowed to speak at home?

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 07/10/2015 13:57:37    1796776

"Are you allowed to speak at home?"

Im in Ireland not Iran, I can speak wherever and whenever i choose

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 07/10/2015 14:04:50    1796780