an absolute farce of a draw..only ulster has an open draw..kerry, cork, mayo, dublin all given byes or getting fixed games..means if they are beat they can enter the qualifiers at a more advanced stage than others...an absolute shambles

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 15/10/2015 21:20:10    1799169

Yourjoking, I seem to remember Down being at home to Monaghan In 2007 .

hutto (Monaghan) - Posts: 171 - 15/10/2015 21:21:07    1799171

DEJA VU - it's more or less the same every year especially now with some seedlings in place and prelimary rounds to be played. You can even see this boring repeatability etched in the faces of RTE's presenters - Pat S looked a bit browned off.

Redslayer (Westmeath) - Posts: 100 - 15/10/2015 21:22:25    1799173

Why arent kerry hurlers in the munster championship?

tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 602 - 15/10/2015 21:36:25    1799187

Boring draw in my opinion.

being honest I am not even excited at the prospect of playing Tipp in the first round. I am not saying that because they are better than us and could give us a hammering but because this is not a knockout game of any significance...the loser goes into the first round qualifiers where there is a great chance they will get Carlow, Westmeath, Offaly and annihilate them (no disrespect meant to those counties) and be back in the same place as the winner. This match should be played in Cashel on a Tuesday evening ...

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 15/10/2015 21:49:19    1799198

Joke of a draw. Watching rte guys going through motions talking up nothing matches in Munster and Connaught was painful then giving out about standard in ulster being tight games. Might have something to do with fact it's the only competitive province. Kerry Dublin and Mayo need no favours but they get them year after year with handy paths to mid August while Ulster teams beat each other up. Tyrone most competitive ulster side last year as they spent June and July in comfortable terrain of qualifers having exited first round. Not sure much advantage in winning ulster or getting to the final in the system as it is.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1803 - 16/10/2015 08:49:53    1799220

mayotyroneman
County: Tyrone
Posts: 132
an absolute farce of a draw..only ulster has an open draw..kerry, cork, mayo, dublin all given byes or getting fixed games..means if they are beat they can enter the qualifiers at a more advanced stage than others...an absolute shambles

Obviously very open. Down gets another away draw - is that 11 years now? Monaghan misses out on a Preliminary for 13th year in a row. Monaghan has not had a Prelim in either Senior or U21 since Paraic Duffy became DG.

Some of the Monaghan people I've spoken to are even getting embarrassed at this stage. Would they have made Ulster finals had the draw really been open?

This draw move Antrim & Fermanagh up to 3 prelim appearances since Monaghan last had one with only Derry now on 2. All others have more.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 16/10/2015 08:53:19    1799224

opa01
County: Cavan
Posts: 374

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mayotyroneman
County: Tyrone
Posts: 132
an absolute farce of a draw..only ulster has an open draw..kerry, cork, mayo, dublin all given byes or getting fixed games..means if they are beat they can enter the qualifiers at a more advanced stage than others...an absolute shambles

Obviously very open. Down gets another away draw - is that 11 years now? Monaghan misses out on a Preliminary for 13th year in a row. Monaghan has not had a Prelim in either Senior or U21 since Paraic Duffy became DG.

Some of the Monaghan people I've spoken to are even getting embarrassed at this stage. Would they have made Ulster finals had the draw really been open?

This draw move Antrim & Fermanagh up to 3 prelim appearances since Monaghan last had one with only Derry now on 2. All others have more.

Are you making some kind of allegation there against Paraic Duffy that he is able to somehow magically influence a chance draw ? Hes some man if he is. Cavan had same draw as us last few years but couldnt make it count.

For the record we beat Tyrone and Armagh in 2014 to make an Ulster Final so we havent always had the handy route of Antrim/Fermanagh and Cavan.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1803 - 16/10/2015 09:38:41    1799253

Happy with Donegals layout but overall it's a farce of a draw . Ulster sides are shafted and nothing is being done .

Kerry play Limerick / Clare to make the last 8/12 . Monaghan for example may have to play Down ( D1) , Donegal (D1) and Tyrone to win Ulster .

The GAA needs to implement a uniform system across the board . Some councils seeded teams while others are not seeded .

It's a mess and very very boring . It's sad because it has great potential if they would just open their eyes .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 16/10/2015 10:06:01    1799274

Rigged predictable boring competition.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 16/10/2015 10:12:50    1799278

tommy132
County: Mayo
Posts: 73

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Why arent kerry hurlers in the munster championship?

Only explanation is that there is no county in Munster who wouldn't hammer them by 20 points and have to find some opposition on a similar level.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 16/10/2015 10:21:17    1799285

seanie08
County: Monaghan
Posts: 940

No allegation - just statement of facts. Since Monaghan last played a Preliminary round in Ulster Cavan has played 5 times.

In 2013 you had Antrim, Cavan (having played preliminary) to reach the final.

In 2014 you had Tyrone (who had played the preliminary) and Armagh (who were poor enough and improved through the qualifiers) at home to reach the final.

In 2012 you had Antrim & Down (both home) to reach the final.

2011 was tougher with Tyrone away and (had you won) Donegal (home) to reach the final.

2010 was Armagh (having played a preliminary) at home and Fermanagh away to reach the final.

So no Cavan has not had the same draw over the last few years. We certainly could do with some of your 'luck of the draw'.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 16/10/2015 11:13:06    1799317

I like the idea of being on the monaghan side of the draw, and the fact that both teams cant make it to the final. It makes for a more interesting competition. Other provinces should take note of this.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 16/10/2015 11:34:13    1799332

Any chance posters could get all the grumbles out of their system now so when next summer comes we can talk about the action rather than how unfair the draws are. Il start by saying its entirely unfair that Munster and Connacht have Division 1 teams on both sides of the draw while Leinster and Ulster are guaranteed to have at least one underdog from outside Division 1 in their provincial final;-)
And can posters also tell us now is it the A or B side of the qualifiers that is unfair this year, cos no doubt this is another thing we will have to listen to again all next year.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 16/10/2015 11:45:12    1799342

Hutto, down were drawn away to cavan that year in the prem only then they played at home so when draw was made they were drawn away think its 12 years or something since they were drawn at home this is a joke

Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 706 - 16/10/2015 11:59:21    1799353

the losers of cork/tipp will have a better chance of winning the all ireland than the winners...easier route winners will face limerick then clare or waterford then prob galway then prob kilkenny losers will have two turkey shoots them prob wexford/dublin then prob kilkenny then the team they beat in first round!!

kavvie (Clare) - Posts: 505 - 16/10/2015 12:00:14    1799354

Kavvie only once in the last 5 years have the beaten team in the opening game of the Munster championship made it as far as the AI quarter final. That was Limerick in 2012 and they were beaten by Kilkenny. Going through the qualifiers isn't as easy as you make out.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 16/10/2015 12:22:57    1799375

Opa01, you're like a dog with a bone over this preliminary round craic. I'm almost embarrassed for you, give it up. Yes we've been fortunate not to get drawn in it for a while now but this is what happens in a random draw with no predetermined factors like there are in other provinces. I know each council will look after their own business, but either all provinces should be seeded or all open draw, it doesn't seem fair otherwise.

And as for us getting lucky with draws, to retain Ulster we'll likely have to beat two Division 1 teams and the team who knocked us out last year. Some luck alright.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 16/10/2015 12:30:33    1799379

Ulster is fine. Keep it the way it is and forget what others are doing. We have the best championship so why change it?

Derry/tyrone Derry play well in Healy
Cavan/armagh tight game as well with cavan at home
Monaghan/down hard game to call but wont be a hammering
Fermanagh/antrim double points last year, antrim won in 2014.
Donegal/fermanagh-antrim are donegal sliding? too early to know.

Winner of derry or tyrone to reach the final from that side and monaghan/donegal or fermanagh from the other side. Five good possible finalists. Great draw. Keep ulster as she is

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 16/10/2015 13:30:47    1799412

Before the moaning starts about Dublin playing their QF in Croke Park. That decision will be made by a vote of the Leinster Council. Each county has 2 votes. This isn't a dark conspiracy. So why don't all you whiners from Leinster, go to your club AGM and propose that a motion that your county votes for the game to played away from Croke Park? Or is it just too much fun giving out?

The Face (Monaghan) - Posts: 890 - 16/10/2015 13:38:27    1799419