He wouldn't have had a look in against Barry Owens in his prime.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 13/10/2015 16:56:27    1798476

Kevin Cassidy has twice as many all stars as ROC - and only played one year under the little helpers era .

Bad lads these donegal sweepers - they flatter their own full back and are then at fault for goals Dublin concede. I think some of them are behind ISIS also

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 13/10/2015 18:10:48    1798500

I thought the league doesn't matter to you The Master? It's funny how the league matters when lads want to get there digs in. The Master after Dublin hammered Mayo wasn't a bit worried cause it was "Only The League"

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/10/2015 18:28:03    1798508

Kevin Cassidy is a great player who I knew well before Mcguiness took over, class act who served his county well until Mcguiness shafted him over a book.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/10/2015 21:06:29    1798573

Clondalkin did a Donegal woman break your heart or something?

Kevin Cassidy 2 All Stars, Karl Lacey 4 All Stars and Neil McGee 3 All Stars, all more celebrated than ROC. You're appearing more than a bit desperate now with this pitch whereby you're elevating ROC to historic significance while simultaneously rubbishing better Donegal defenders. Get a grip

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 14/10/2015 10:33:48    1798671

roc is only 25. likely to win afew more all stars and then he might b the greatest

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 15/10/2015 09:54:22    1798884

I've tried replying but they won't let my posts through. I'll just say this Lacey is a great footballer and so was Cassidy way better than the Roc but there not better full backs than him no way.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/10/2015 10:47:29    1798907

For years Dublin struggled in the full back position, until the arrival of Rory O'Carroll. In actual fact it was a glaring weakness in Dublin teams prior to 2011, with the arrival of Rory O' Carroll and Michael Darragh Macauley in 2011, Dublin transformed from a losing team to an All-Ireland winning team. Rory O'Carroll is a natural full back with excellent defense skills. It must be remembered that Rory O'Carroll has won All-Ireland honours with three different teams, senior footballers, under 21s and All-Ireland club winner and that is not co-incidental, instead it is a measure to his enormous contribution.
Some posters are focused on All-Stars awards in order to lower his standing and I am sure Rory O'Carroll will do quite well in those also but the reality is All-Ireland medals are the measure of success in football. Most football followers do not know how many All-Stars, Anton O'Toole, Mickey Linden, Colm O'Rourke, Sean Cavanagh, Michael Donnellan or Larry Tomkins have been awarded but they do know the number of All-Ireland medals they have won. Likewise great Kerry footballers are remembered for All-Ireland medals won and not for the number of All-Stars they have received.
Is laoch Rory O'Carroll gan amhras agus is peileadóir den scoth é freisin.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 15/10/2015 15:03:10    1799006

My point exactly Fainleog, No matter how people rate ROC there is no doubting that Dublin would not have enjoyed the success they have had in recent years without him at full back. As you said it has been a problem position for us, and a lot of other top teams in recent years, and in reality he is the first consistently good full back we have had since Paddy Christie finished up.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 15/10/2015 15:33:58    1799022

Nobody trying to diminish ROC but not letting Clondalkin away with rubbing everyone's face in it about O'Carroll being the greatest ever. There are other viewpoints about other players allowed too, without this absolute rubbishing that he carries on with. It's become okay for people like Clondalkin to come on and diminish superb Donegal defenders who have excelled, won All Ireland medals and All Stars and represented Ireland in Compromise Rules. Rory O'Carroll is an excellent defender and you won't hear anyone from Donegal rubbishing him to the extent that this Dublin poster does with Neil McGee. He can say what he likes but he won't get a free ride in his nonsense from me anyway.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 15/10/2015 17:47:45    1799079

Exactly right Donegal_abroad. The fact is that prior to playing behind sweepers, O'Carroll had as many bad games as any other full back of the time. That isn't reflective of a guy that is supposed to be the best ever.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 15/10/2015 17:54:33    1799084

Exactly Donegal Abroad

I agree that ROC is a fine player , had been a consistent performer and had enjoyed huge success

In 5 years time we may well agree that he is one of the greatest - and I wish him the best

What antagonises me is that the main focus of the opening posters argument is to begrudge McGee his all stars , attack Jim mc bringing success to Donegal , disparage Murphy for not playing well in an under 21 game in 2010 where a stomach bug and a crossbar denied him an all Ireland in a weak enough team.

Also a few pops at Higgins and Caffrey

This is a consistent theme - he has had numerous threads attacking the Mchughs for not marking an opposing half back or Mark Mchughs one slip up v Cork in 2012

Enjoy success instead of begrudging the historical success of others

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 15/10/2015 21:07:28    1799158

I'm sorry but I am the op and when posters come on telling me that a full back is better than The Roc I'm hardly going to say "yeah jaysis your right" . Plus a Mayo poster has nothing but negative posts about all things Dublin so I'm not letting him away with nothing especially when he was telling us who he thought was the best full back only two years ago and has now completely backtrack from that wild statement the man wouldn't make the Dublin panel ffs.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/10/2015 21:18:28    1799168

Rua I don't like Donegal I've never hid that I think you's won an all Ireland cause everyone else hadn't a clue what was going on and it's only lately that everyone has figured it out and have made you's look pretty average what I've always said you's were.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/10/2015 21:22:27    1799174

When did they get figured out ?
McGuinness took over in 2011 - surely Dublin had them figured out by 2014 ?

Are You are going to go through life bitter about everything that stops you view of a deserved a Dublin 5/6/7 in a row.
Why can't you you enjoy succes instead of being biter about 2012 or 2014

As regards the tactics Donegal used to win an ireland - don't think we ever went as far as Dublin did v Mayo this year

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 16/10/2015 08:12:47    1799213

Clondalkin, you're making no sense now man...

"you's won an all Ireland cause everyone else hadn't a clue what was going on".... Is this not an admission that we were the best team then? Don't the All Ireland Champions of every year not have more of a clue of what's "going on" than all the rest?

Your team won the All Ireland this year by copying our defensive strategy which beat you guys last year. So Dublin took their current template from an "average team". Worked out pretty well didn't it.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 16/10/2015 08:50:28    1799221

3 All Ireland's
1 All Ireland Club
1 U 21 All Ireland
2 All Stars
Still only 25 years old

The Roc you are the greatest.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 21/10/2015 12:19:28    1800900

Wow. A 5 year old could return arguments better than that last post which basically is the exact same as your first post. Bravo.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 22/10/2015 11:23:02    1801194