13/10/2015 11:10:54
TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 14147

1798274 ruanua
OK I've got it now
Greatest Player to have played at full back excluding players who have played in other positions other than No.3 - excluding players from Donegal, excluding players from teams that have used a Sweeper System- excluding anyone that conceded 2 points to a full forward in the 2009 all Ireland Quarter final - excluding anyone who lost one high ball to Aidan o Shea this year, excluding anyone who kept James O Donohoe , Bernard Brogan, Connor McManus and Jamie Clarke scoreless from play in the same championship, excluding anyone who had a bad game in 2010, excluding anyone that was born in a month with an R, Excluding anyone whose initials aren't ROC


You forgot the part where you completely ignore that O'Carroll has only come into this level of form, while playing behind a double sweeper system himself...


Imagine how good Darren Fay would have been with two sweepers...

Did O'Carroll win a All Star in 2013 with Dublin all out attack policy? o'Carroll has long way to go be up with the full backs as in Niall Cahalane,John O'Keefe,Darren Fay,Gerry McCaffrey

HughHunt24 (Cork) - Posts: 841 - 13/10/2015 12:35:45    1798315

The don't remember The Roc needing all this help in '13 when he won his all star playing on a Dublin team that went all out attack.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/10/2015 12:49:55    1798325

What a load of BS this tread is if you want to talk about
the best full back that played gaelic football i could think
of 20 0f the top of my head and the Roc would not be one of them
just because he has 3 AI medals means nothing he is a handy enough
footballer in the modern game thats about it

wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 13/10/2015 13:02:21    1798330

13/10/2015 12:21:55
clondalkindub
County: Dublin
Posts: 6834

1798307 The Master remind everyone two years ago who you thought the best full back in Ireland was??? You've gone real quiet on that one now how come?

Dont worry Gerry McCaffrey will come good again, bad couple years with injury

HughHunt24 (Cork) - Posts: 841 - 13/10/2015 13:04:46    1798331

What a load of BS this tread is if you want to talk about
the best full back that played gaelic football i could think
of 20 0f the top of my head and the Roc would not be one of them
just because he has 3 AI medals means nothing he is a handy enough
footballer in the modern game thats about it


Mate get back in your box... I told you Kerry boys all year what would happen when we met.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/10/2015 13:09:28    1798335

The don't remember The Roc needing all this help in '13 when he won his all star playing on a Dublin team that went all out attack.


The Master I.....

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/10/2015 13:11:25    1798338

Oh so all stars are what count now?
Strange, that isn't the case when the conversation is about Diarmuid Connolly?

O'Carroll actually played poorly in 2013. Stephen Bray completely roasted him in the leinster final. Then Sheehan gave him a tough time in the quarter final and the amount of goals Kerry got in the semi tells you how he got on there. He got the award because Dublin won sam, as often happens with the all stars.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 13/10/2015 13:18:18    1798342

Where did I say all star counts? He had a bad '13 hahaha ,The Master please remind us who you thought was the best full back two years ago? Come on tell everyone it's Tuesday they need a laugh? Only for The Roc holding our defence together in '13 semi we would of been hammered cause the rest of them were getting roasted by the Kerry forwards, also in the final he destroyed Mayo on his own back there oh but I forgot all the Mayo players were sick or injured, excuses after excuses from you.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/10/2015 13:27:05    1798352

He was robbed of an all star in '10 '11 and '12 he was outstanding in them years as well.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/10/2015 13:36:45    1798358

Lads never argue with fanboys. You might as well be arguing with Justin Bieber or 1 Direction fans.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 13/10/2015 13:45:41    1798361

Saying ROC has been a better defender than Neil McGee is like saying Ireland has a more successful economy than Germany.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 13/10/2015 14:36:32    1798392

clondalkindub
Where did I say all star counts? He had a bad '13 hahaha

You offered the fact that he got an all star in 2013 as a reason for him being the best fullback of all time.
How does 'hahaha' change the fact that he was outplayed by his man for 3 big games in a row?

Listen, the guy is a good player. But he isn't infallible, and he definitely isn't the best full back of all time. He was poor in 12 and 13. Cafferkey was better than him in both of those years, mcgee was better than in in 12 also. This year he probably deserves an all star, but then this year he had 2 sweepers in front of him, and you dismissed mcgee on that basis.

I accept cafferkey has lost form the last 2 years, just like O'Carroll was poor the two years previous - that happens. Can you do the same with O'Carroll?
Also, say what you like about cafferkey, but for his recent faults, he is probably the last fullback of recent times to prosper at the elite level using a man on man marking system. Every other fb that is doing well now, is playing behind sweepers or a blanket defence. You cant take that away from him.

Finally, I don't know what final you were watching in 2013, but O'Carroll barely featured in the game, neither good nor bad, he just wasn't very involved in the final.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 13/10/2015 14:52:59    1798399

I agree that this is a nonsense thread, it's practically impossible to compare players from teams that play different systems, let alone compare players from different eras. However I will say this in relation to O Carroll. He has been involved in 4 all-Ireland winning teams at full back, 1 U-21 and 3 senior, and whether people regard him as a footballing God or the worst player they have ever seen, one thing is certain. Without him at full back Dublin would not have won what they did over the last 5 years.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 13/10/2015 15:44:37    1798433

this threads only function appears to be as a vehicle for increasing the number of posts some users have made.

pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 13/10/2015 15:45:36    1798434

Ger Cafferky has never been better or will never be better than the Roc ever the master what roasting did Sheehan give him we battered Cork that night I remember Sheehan catching a few unbelievable catches but that's it, where was Caff when Donegal got there two goals after 2 minutes in '12? Where was Caff in the 12 semi final when Bernard was tru on goal only for his keeper to save his bacon? Where was Caff in the '13 final when Bernard on one leg destroyed him and was motm. I'm sorry but he is a poor player that is there for the taking ever Mayo game.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/10/2015 15:49:00    1798436

13/10/2015 14:52:59
TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 14152

1798399 clondalkindub
Where did I say all star counts? He had a bad '13 hahaha

You offered the fact that he got an all star in 2013 as a reason for him being the best fullback of all time.
How does 'hahaha' change the fact that he was outplayed by his man for 3 big games in a row?

Listen, the guy is a good player. But he isn't infallible, and he definitely isn't the best full back of all time. He was poor in 12 and 13. Cafferkey was better than him in both of those years, mcgee was better than in in 12 also. This year he probably deserves an all star, but then this year he had 2 sweepers in front of him, and you dismissed mcgee on that basis.

I accept cafferkey has lost form the last 2 years, just like O'Carroll was poor the two years previous - that happens. Can you do the same with O'Carroll?
Also, say what you like about cafferkey, but for his recent faults, he is probably the last fullback of recent times to prosper at the elite level using a man on man marking system. Every other fb that is doing well now, is playing behind sweepers or a blanket defence. You cant take that away from him.

Finally, I don't know what final you were watching in 2013, but O'Carroll barely featured in the game, neither good nor bad


You must have been listening to the Kerry/mayo on the wireless or you havent a clue about football. i be thinking its latter. He didnt prosper 2 well against Donaghy in 2 games last year.

HughHunt24 (Cork) - Posts: 841 - 13/10/2015 16:09:09    1798445

1798392
Saying ROC has been a better defender than Neil McGee is like saying Ireland has a more successful economy than Germany


The Roc has 5 all Ireland medals how many has McGee?

Where was McGee before '11?


How come Donegal were getting so many hammerings with the great Neil McGee playing before '11?

Aidan O Shea and Conor McManus embarrassed him this year even with his little helpers around him.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/10/2015 16:22:05    1798452

Stop this silly thread now, O'Carroll is a class act but is nothing special compared to great full-backs in days gone by!!

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 13/10/2015 16:37:04    1798460

clondalkindub
Ger Cafferky has never been better or will never be better than the Roc ever the master what roasting did Sheehan give him we battered Cork that night I remember Sheehan catching a few unbelievable catches but that's it, where was Caff when Donegal got there two goals after 2 minutes in '12? Where was Caff in the 12 semi final when Bernard was tru on goal only for his keeper to save his bacon? Where was Caff in the '13 final when Bernard on one leg destroyed him and was motm. I'm sorry but he is a poor player that is there for the taking ever Mayo game.

He was better than him in 2012 and 2013.
As for Sheehan catching a few unbelievable catches, then surely that is all that donaghy done against cafferkey also? What is the difference? Not that I accept that - he was outplayed by the man on the day, just like O'Carroll was - 3 times in a row, until he went back behind the sweepers that it. Cafferkey wasn't the best full back in 2014 just like O'Carroll wasn't in 2013. But if mayo had snuck over Kerry and he had a decent final, he could have collected a soft all star just like O'Carroll did.
As for your listing of Cafferkey's faults, I have no problem fully accepting he has made mistakes, he has had poor games and indeed poor years... But then Im not claiming him to be the best full back of all time. So now that we have established that, can you explain what happened to O'Carroll against cork, meath and kerry, and while you are at it, Michael murphy for dcu and youngster Jason Doherty against mayo in 2012?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 13/10/2015 16:40:09    1798462

HughHunt24
You must have been listening to the Kerry/mayo on the wireless or you havent a clue about football. i be thinking its latter. He didnt prosper 2 well against Donaghy in 2 games last year.

I referenced 2012 and 2013. That happened in 2014. Were you listening to the wireless when they were teaching you about numbers in school? I fully accept donaghy got the better of him in 2014. But then with good ball coming in, donaghy gets the better of every fullback, if they are marking him alone. In fact, the man of the hour himself, Rory O'Carroll, had serious trouble with him in the league this year.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 13/10/2015 16:44:48    1798471